Might Gon' Brew Sum Pliny T'nite...

[Evan!]

My BYO Clones issue is at home, and I can't remember what that Pliny clone looks like. Someone help me out. I need to know if I have all the stuff. Hops I can sub in whatever and still make good beer, but malts, I dunno. I'm thinking about brewing some up tonight, but I'd like to know what I'm getting into before I go home. Anyone have the BYO clones recipe handy?

 

[Ó Flannagáin]

Brewing on a Monday, eh?

 

[Evan!]

Brewing on a Monday, eh?

I used to work on Monday and Thursday nights, for the past 4 years, and I'm newly free of that, so now I feel like a man just released from prison. So, yeah, I'm scheming on it...

 

[Soulive]

How does this look...

6 Gallons

Grain Bill
12 lbs. - 2 Row Pale Malt (American)
1 lb. - Corn Sugar
1/3 lb. - Crystal Malt (45L)
1 lb. - CaraPils Malt

Hop Schedule
1.5 oz - Chinook (First Wort or Mash Hop)
2.75 oz - Warrior (90 Min.)
.5 oz - Chinook (90 Min.)
1 oz - Simcoe (45 Min.)
1 oz - Columbus (30 Min.)
2.25 oz - Centennial (Flameout)
1 oz - Simcoe (Flameout)
3.25 oz - Columbus (Dry Hop)
1.75 oz - Centennial (Dry Hop)
1.75 oz - Simcoe (Dry Hop)

Yeast
White Labs California Ale Yeast (WLP001) - 1800 ml starter

Mash/Sparge/Boil
Mash at 150° to 152° for 60 min.
Sparge as usual
Boil for 90 minutes (remember to compensate your water if you normally do 60 min boils)
Cool and ferment at 66° to 68°

 

[FatMonsters]

Anyone have the BYO clones recipe handy?

It states:

12.2 .lbs 2-Row
0.28 .lbs Crystal 45 L
0.86 .lbs Carapils
1.0 .lb Dextrose

1.5 oz Chinook (13%)
2.75 oz Warrior (15.6%)
0.5 oz Chinook (12.2%)
2.0 oz Simcoe (12%)
1.0 oz Columbus (14.3%)
2.25 oz Centennial (9.1%)

Dry Hop with
3.25 oz Columbus
1.75 oz Centennial
1.75 oz Simcoe

White Labs WLP001 (California Ale)

 

[the_bird]

I think Dude has it in the database. Yooper might, as well.

 

[Evan!]

Thanks, all.

 

[scottthorn]

Brewboard thread on Pliny

I've got tentative plans to brew up a batch of PTE this weekend.

 

[Evan!]

That's interesting that there's nothing between 30 and flameout...

 

[Soulive]

That's interesting that there's nothing between 30 and flameout...

I know someone who owns a homebrew store and he's convinced that additions between 30-15 minutes are useless. I'd probably agree...

 

[ohiobrewtus]

Hop Schedule
1.5 oz - Chinook (First Wort or Mash Hop)
2.75 oz - Warrior (90 Min.)
.5 oz - Chinook (90 Min.)
1 oz - Simcoe (45 Min.)
1 oz - Columbus (30 Min.)
2.25 oz - Centennial (Flameout)
1 oz - Simcoe (Flameout)
3.25 oz - Columbus (Dry Hop)
1.75 oz - Centennial (Dry Hop)
1.75 oz - Simcoe (Dry Hop)

Now that's my kind of hop bill!

Here's the recipe that I'm going to use on my next IIPA. I probably won't get around to making it until Next month sometime, but feel free to pilfer.

Recipe Specifications
--------------------------
Batch Size: 6.00 gal
Boil Size: 7.97 gal
Estimated OG: 1.084 SG
Estimated Color: 6.6 SRM
Estimated IBU: 258.0 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes
Ingredients:
------------
Amount Item Type % or IBU
12.00 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 66.67 %
2.00 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM) Grain 11.11 %
2.00 lb Vienna Malt (3.5 SRM) Grain 11.11 %
1.00 lb Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) Grain 5.56 %
3.00 oz Warrior [16.40 %] (60 min) Hops 114.1 IBU
3.00 oz Simcoe [13.00 %] (30 min) Hops 69.5 IBU
2.00 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] (30 min) Hops 49.9 IBU
1.00 oz Amarillo Gold [10.00 %] (15 min) Hops 11.5 IBU
1.00 oz Amarillo Gold [10.00 %] (10 min) Hops 8.4 IBU
1.00 oz Amarillo Gold [10.00 %] (5 min) Hops 4.6 IBU
2.00 tsp Irish Moss (Boil 15.0 min) Misc
1.00 lb Corn Sugar (Dextrose) (0.0 SRM) Sugar 5.56 %
1 Pkgs Nottingham Yeast (Lallemand #-) Yeast-Ale

edit - I haven't decided what to dryhop this with yet - or how much to use.

 

[Dude]

Look what I found on google!

[ame="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=screw+it%2C+I%27m+brewing&btnG=Google+Search"]Screw it, I'm brewing![/ame] (very first entry)

 

[Evan!]

dude, you're a celebrity!

So anyway, I didn't end up brewing last night. In fact, I'm not so sure that, given the state of things, brewing a beer that uses 10+ ounces of hops is the brightest of ideas. I need my stash to last me awhile, and even with 8+ pounds, I still don't know if I can justify it.

I couldn't decide, and before I knew it, it was 6pm and I hadn't even milled any grain or gotten any water together. So I think I'm gonna brew something on Thursday instead. Not sure what yet, but I'm scheming on an IPA. Might go with a bunch of Munich malt as my base, and toss a touch of peated malt in therejust because I can. Not sure yet though. I might actually just go with a traditional recipe. I've got Designing Great Beers here at work, so I might thumb through today and see if anything strikes me.

 

[ohiobrewtus]

In fact, I'm not so sure that, given the state of things, brewing a beer that uses 10+ ounces of hops is the brightest of ideas. I need my stash to last me awhile, and even with 8+ pounds, I still don't know if I can justify it.

Pfffffffft.... sissy.

 

[Ó Flannagáin]

Evan, make an IIPA. I just did an IIPA that used around 8 ounces of hops... you just gotta do it, it could be the last time for a while. Like you, I still havea little over 8lbs left and probably won't do it again. But it's going to be worth it.

 

[Evan!]

Pfffffffft.... sissy.

Maybe.

That, and I have virtually none of the hops they call for. I've got maybe a couple ounces of simcoe, half an ounce of chinook pellets, and a couple ounces of columbus. The rest I'd have to sub in Galena and Cascade. Honestly, I don't know if it would still be the Real Pliny if I subbed that much. I'll probably brew it after the new year sometime, and order the hops that the recipe calls for---if I can find them.

 

[Evan!]

Evan, make an IIPA. I just did an IIPA that used around 8 ounces of hops... you just gotta do it, it could be the last time for a while. Like you, I still havea little over 8lbs left and probably won't do it again. But it's going to be worth it.

I like that idea. I did that double IPA, and it turned out okay. It's very heavy-handed...probably because I used some laaglander DME that was less than entirely fermentable. It surely didn't measure up to the first batch I did. So, yeah, I was also looking at the Ruination recipe in the BYO Clones last night too. I'd still have to sub in hops because I don't have magnum, but that's ok.

 

[the_bird]

Pfffffffft.... sissy.

+1.

Hell, +10,000!

Brew the damn thing! Yooper just did, and the damn thing is wonderful!

 

[Evan!]

+1.

Hell, +10,000!

Brew the damn thing! Yooper just did, and the damn thing is wonderful!

Without Warrior or Centennial or enough Chinook? Probably not. I messed with promash a bunch last night just trying to sub in Galena and Cascade where I could, and it got to the point where I could tell it was no longer Pliny. I mean, you remember the thing with Sam Adams longshot, right? The guy would rather them not brew it at all than brew it with different hops. If I'm gonna toss 10+ oz of hops into a batch, I'm gonna make sure it's done right. And I just really don't think that Galena and Cascade are gonna make up for the lack of warrior and centennial and magnum.

 

[iamjonsharp]

Heh, I did a recipe with just 5oz of leaf hops, took up like a gallon or so of space in the pot!

 

[Evan!]

Heh, I did a recipe with just 5oz of leaf hops, took up like a gallon or so of space in the pot!

jon, dude, I got that 60 qt kettle not long ago...so I'm covered there.

 

[iamjonsharp]

jon, dude, I got that 60 qt kettle not long ago...so I'm covered there.

Yeah you should be fine. It's a good thing you don't whirlpool either. I did that by mistake at first and collected about 3 gallons of wort, so I ended up having to strain it all to get to the right volume. I think the breweries use pellet hops when doing recipes with so many hops.

 

[Ó Flannagáin]

Well don't make pliny, but use what ya got. Mine was all simcoe and chinook, but if you like cascade you could use it for a lot as well. I have to say, had a fresh lb of chinook and a fresh lb of simcoe when I did mine, so it didn't hurt my stash too bad.

What do you have a lot of?

 

[Evan!]

Tons of:

Galena (27oz)
Willamette (28oz)
Cascade (35oz)

Moderate amounts of:

EKG (11.5oz)
Northern Brewer (8oz)

 

[Ó Flannagáin]

I don't know much about galena, is it a good one for ipa's? I have 3 ounces of it in my freezer to try on a batch sometime.

Again, if you are a fan of cascade, you could use a lot of it and a little of some other guys. Maybe a dry hop with simcoe?

 

[Evan!]

Man...screw it, I'm brewing an Imperial IPA. High OG, low FG, insane IBU. Most likely modeled after Ruination, but with some victory in the bill. I'll craft a recipe and post it for review here. I'm looking for tons of hop flavor and aroma.

 

[Evan!]

Yeah, Galena is a great base bittering hop for pretty much any beer...at least, that's what the description says in Promash.

 

[Ó Flannagáin]

I've never used or tasted a beer with victory (that I know of) but I've heard its awesome.

 

[PseudoChef]

I've never used or tasted a beer with victory (that I know of) but I've heard its awesome.

I think Victory accentuates hop bitterness wonderfully.

 

[Evan!]

Yeah, man, I love love LOVE victory in my IPA's.

Anyway, check it out, let me know what you think. This is still a monster. What I'm most interested in is the flavor and aroma hop additions. Any and all help is GREATLY appreciated, because I want a hop bomb...not just bitterness, but taste and smell too. Hardcore! Also, am I wasting hops by going above 100 IBU's? I know that supposedly we can't detect anything over 100, but...then why is Pliny at like 250+?

The Arsenal

A ProMash Recipe Report

BJCP Style and Style Guidelines
-------------------------------

14-C  India Pale Ale, Imperial IPA

Min OG:  1.075   Max OG:  1.108
Min IBU:    60   Max IBU:   100
Min Clr:     8   Max Clr:    15  Color in SRM, Lovibond

Recipe Specifics
----------------

Batch Size (Gal):         5.50    Wort Size (Gal):    5.50
Total Grain (Lbs):       15.50
Anticipated OG:          1.086    Plato:             20.60
Anticipated SRM:           9.7
Anticipated IBU:         121.8
Brewhouse Efficiency:       78 %
Wort Boil Time:             90    Minutes

Pre-Boil Amounts
----------------

Evaporation Rate:      15.00    Percent Per Hour
Pre-Boil Wort Size:    7.10    Gal
Pre-Boil Gravity:      1.066    SG          16.23  Plato

Formulas Used
-------------

Brewhouse Efficiency and Predicted Gravity based on Method #1, Potential Used.
Final Gravity Calculation Based on Points.
Hard Value of Sucrose applied. Value for recipe: 46.2100 ppppg
% Yield Type used in Gravity Prediction: Fine Grind Dry Basis.

Color Formula Used:   Morey
Hop IBU Formula Used: Tinseth
Tinseth Concentration Factor: 1.30

Additional Utilization Used For First Wort Hops: -10 %
Additional Utilization Used For Mash Hoppings:   -30 %


Grain/Extract/Sugar

   %     Amount     Name                          Origin        Potential SRM
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 83.9    13.00 lbs. Maris Otter Pale Malt         Great Britain  1.038      3
  6.5     1.00 lbs. Corn Sugar                    Generic        1.046      0
  6.5     1.00 lbs. Victory Malt                  America        1.034     25
  3.2     0.50 lbs. Crystal 40L                   America        1.034     40

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Hops

   Amount     Name                              Form    Alpha  IBU  Boil Time
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
  1.00 oz.    Cascade                           Whole    5.75  11.7  Mash H
  1.50 oz.    Galena                            Whole   13.00  51.1  First WH
  0.50 oz.    Cascade                           Whole    5.75   8.4  90 min.
  0.50 oz.    Galena                            Whole   13.00  17.7  60 min.
  0.50 oz.    Cascade                           Whole    5.75   7.2  45 min.
  1.00 oz.    Willamette                        Whole    4.10   9.2  35 min.
  1.00 oz.    Cascade                           Whole    5.75  10.9  25 min.
  1.00 oz.    Willamette                        Whole    4.10   5.5  15 min.
  2.00 oz.    Willamette                        Whole    4.10   0.0  0 min.
  1.00 oz.    Cascade                           Whole    5.75   0.0  Dry Hop
  1.00 oz.    Willamette                        Whole    4.10   0.0  Dry Hop


Extras

  Amount      Name                           Type      Time
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
  0.50 Oz     Oak Cubes - American, House To Other      7 Days(fermenter) 


Yeast
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DCL Yeast US-56 Safeale American Ale Yeast


Mash Schedule
-------------

Mash Type: Multi Step

Grain Lbs:   14.50
Water Qts:   18.13 - Before Additional Infusions
Water Gal:    4.53 - Before Additional Infusions

Qts Water Per Lbs Grain: 1.25 - Before Additional Infusions

Acid Rest Temp :               0  Time:   0
Protein Rest Temp :            0  Time:   0
Intermediate Rest Temp :     133  Time:  20
Saccharification Rest Temp : 152  Time:  70
Mash-out Rest Temp :         158  Time:  20
Sparge Temp :                170  Time:  10


Total Mash Volume Gal: 5.69 - Dough-In Infusion Only

All temperature measurements are degrees Fahrenheit