Meat is not a protein source

[pjj2ba]

.......... Make your own meat alternative that transcends meat! However if this involves mushrooms, ignore the common myth that they shouldn't be washed. They're often grown in horse crap for goodness sakes, and it is a proveable falsehood that they get soggy if you wash them. Just some ideas that may hit home for do it yourselfers.

Only the white button mushrooms are grown on COMPOSTED manure. Actually it composted straw bedding with some manure in it, and that is just part of the mix. There should be no manure on white button mushrooms. What you might see is peat moss. After the mycelia has grown for 3-4 weeks in the compost, it is covered with several inches of peat moss. This stimulates the fungus to produce "fruiting" bodies which form on top of the peat moss. They do not push up through it. This is no worse that eating vegetables from an organic farm that uses manure as a fertilizer, which is extremely common on organic farms.

Also, sauteing wet mushrooms, results more in simmering mushrooms. They cook very differently then dry ones, but if that is what you like, go for it.

 

[andysim]

Kill it and grill it
- Ted Nugent

Pretty sure he isn't talking about eggplant.

 

[hoppyhoppyhippo]

What's the appeal of meat? For about 18 million years it was a key part of human existence. For 18 Million years things like dairy, grains, and the sort were at most the tiniest part of the human diet, more likely non-existent.

The problem with meat today is the product not the basis. Good pasture raised grassfed beef is healthy for you. It gives you fat (which is needed) it's Omega 3 and 6 balanced, and it's got a decent amount of protein. It's anti-inflammatory as well.

 

[LovesIPA]

The biggest difference between vegetarians and meat eaters is that meat eaters don't care what other people eat.

 

[kh54s10]

The biggest difference between vegetarians and meat eaters is that meat eaters don't care what other people eat.

Veggies....

Pesticides, fertilizers, Genetically Modified Organisms......

I'll stick with my Steroid pumped up beef, thank you!

 

[uxo]

Companies make veggie products look like meat to entice consumers into trying it. It's the gate way meat. Like soyrizo, yummy!

I don't eat fast food and I don't drink soda or juice. Just beer, coffee and water.
I keep my food simple.That other stuff is just so bad for your health. I do eat meat maybe 1-2 times a week. Everything in moderation, i guess.

It's funny, I have been eating like crap the last few weeks. I know it's time for a Juice Cleanse. I can honestly say that bad food makes you feel bad. I try to keep myself healthy to minimize long term health concerns and to avoid throwing my money to insurance companies/doctors.

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[kh54s10]

I can say that when I eat only meat for a while I never get cravings for veggies.
But when I eat only veggies for a while I do get cravings for MEAT!

 

[TyTanium]

Soy = manboobs. Pass.

 

[mb82]

I can say that when I eat only meat for a while I never get cravings for veggies.
But when I eat only veggies for a while I do get cravings for MEAT!

I crave veggies when I am not getting enough of them and meat when I am not getting enough of that( which is extremely rare).

 

[CreamyGoodness]

Soy = manboobs. Pass.

Haha! Really, soy isnt dangerous in the manboob way unless you are eating/drinking tons of it (ie in protein shakes). Having soup with tofu in it or a nice bowl of edamame isnt going to hurt ya.

 

[TyTanium]

Haha! Really, soy isnt dangerous in the manboob way unless you are eating/drinking tons of it (ie in protein shakes). Having soup with tofu in it or a nice bowl of edamame isnt going to hurt ya.

Agreed. Which is why, for me, it's an occasional food item and not a main protein source

 

[GrogNerd]

if your food is so repellent that you gotta disguise it to resemble meat, just eat the friggin' meat

 

[Subsailor]

I am carnivore. My Wife laughs because when I look at animals, I see them with the dotted lines drawn for the cutting of roasts, steaks, ribs, etc. When I look at plants (animal food) I don't see dotted lines for slicing and dicing.
I admit, I probably eat more meat, fish and fowl than most people each week but I do include fruits and vegetables, preferably home grown or foraged.

 

[Kirkwooder]

Haha! Really, soy isnt dangerous in the manboob way unless you are eating/drinking tons of it (ie in protein shakes). Having soup with tofu in it or a nice bowl of edamame isnt going to hurt ya.

Tofu, is that like head cheese, but only made from toes? MMMMM head cheese

 

[TxBrew]

Arggh, a pitch by a company making meat substitutes got me mad (even as a veggie) in how it panders to misconceptions.

What is the appeal of meat eating? I say it is irrelevant as a protein source, rather it is a comfort food. Not only do lentils have a higher density by weight of protein than meat, but EVERY veggie food other than fruits has all the protein you can use... per unit of calories. Even a lettuce diet crams you full of proteins because you have to eat so much of it to get the calories you need for survival. Some might argue about getting the "right" kind of protein, but your body reconstructs it anyway.

Besides fatty oils, meat has certain savory and addictive elements that I hear is shared by olives, mushrooms, and cooked tomato sauce. I forgot the name of those... can anyone say? If a company wants to make a healthy meat substitute, I think it should target those rather than the "mouthfeel" of gristle, veins, muscle (yuck). I think people like meat not for protein or gruesome mouthfeel that they THINK they are appreciating, but for those magic elements with they associate with the former.

Meat is not an ideal that should be approximated in mock health products. Rather the ideal is attainable without meat, and meat is the crude approximation. It's like ice cream vs real gelato. Ice cream is a crude, pathetic shadow of real gelato. Gelato uses high density, fine crystallization, and higher temperature to give richness instead of the neanderthal butterfat of ice cream. Don't judge on the basis of ersatz gelato which cannot be manufactured right here due to prissy health laws, or the crap gelato from tourist traps.

We should free ourselves from second rate but comfortable habits. Make your own gelato! Make your own meat alternative that transcends meat! However if this involves mushrooms, ignore the common myth that they shouldn't be washed. They're often grown in horse crap for goodness sakes, and it is a proveable falsehood that they get soggy if you wash them. Just some ideas that may hit home for do it yourselfers.

I'll make my own meat too. No worries. I don't believe a word anyone says ever.

I am very free. The air smells like chicken poop, but chickens have to poop, am I right?

 

[GilaMinumBeer]

Soy = manboobs. Pass.

So then why are many asian women so small breasted?

 

[Echoloc8]

Just to pitch in...

Near the nadir of my first marriage I ate true-vegetarian (these days we'd call it vegan) for six months to try and placate the woman. I got colds all the time, had no energy, my digestion was terrible, and I put on fat while losing muscle tone. I also got some of my worst job reviews: couldn't focus, was distracted all the time. Wound up not sleeping well, and things even ground to a halt in the bedroom.

I was careful to eat "whole proteins" and even began supplementing with double daily vitamins near the end. I was as informed and careful about eating veggie as it was possible to be in the mid-'90s. Heck, I even enjoyed a lot of the foods.

...But I couldn't keep it up. When I went back to meat (and lots of it), my health improved radically within a span of 2 weeks. It might very well be that some people can eat vegetarian and thrive. I'm not one of them. :rockin:

-Rich

 

[passedpawn]

Just to pitch in...

Near the nadir of my first marriage I ate true-vegetarian (these days we'd call it vegan) for six months to try and placate the woman. I got colds all the time, had no energy, my digestion was terrible, and I put on fat while losing muscle tone. I also got some of my worst job reviews: couldn't focus, was distracted all the time. Wound up not sleeping well, and things even ground to a halt in the bedroom.

I was careful to eat "whole proteins" and even began supplementing with double daily vitamins near the end. I was as informed and careful about eating veggie as it was possible to be in the mid-'90s. Heck, I even enjoyed a lot of the foods.

...But I couldn't keep it up. When I went back to meat (and lots of it), my health improved radically within a span of 2 weeks. It might very well be that some people can eat vegetarian and thrive. I'm not one of them. :rockin:

-Rich

Obligate carnivore. That is what felines are.

 

[philber]

So then why are many asian women so small breasted?

Soy = MANboobs

 

[techbrewie]

its a well known fact that fish is the healthiest source of protein containing the best amino acids and essential fats for processing carbohydrates into energy as well as the many benefits of consuming fish oil on a regular basis. The problem with non meat sources is that they do not contain these amino acids and essential fats. You don't eat meat just for protein, and to say meat is a comfort food is just plain wrong. Some meats are much better than others (i.e. turkey chicken, fish and lean beef vs. pork, sausage, fatty beefs, and dark poultry meat)

If you dont want to eat meat that's awesome, go for it. But vegetarianism and veganism are fad diets without optimal health in mind. Eating a perfect diet is more complicated and specific to each individual than "i only eat this" or " i never eat that".It's a careful balance of eating protein and carbohydrates from the right sources in the right proportions as well as getting your daily intake of vitamins, minerals, amino acids and essential fats.

Veggie diets can be and many times are healthier than the alternative of not following a healthy dieat, but dont mistake the health benefits of eating vegetables for "health benefits of not eating meat". You are not unequivocally healthier by not eating meat.

 

[andycr]

Since the thread started with a troll-ish title ("the sky isn't blue" is incorrect, "the sky isn't my preferred shade of blue" may be correct), I'll entirely ignore the original intent and instead weigh in with my general eating perspective here... I've read the China study, lots of articles on various ways of eating, you name it... Trying to find the truth, but all I found were contradictions and confusion. In the end, I settled on something that sort of resembles Paleo. Not because of the hand-wavy, foaming at the mouth anti-grainism, but simply because my personal weight problem was caused by eating too much grain-based stuff. Body gets low on energy, body freaks out, tells your mind to make you eat something super carb-rich to replenish (We're not starving, we have a pantry full of white bread! Go eat some!). Inevitably you overeat by a bit, and that extra gets stored as fat. If I don't grab some toast or cereal as a snack and instead grab an apple, I get full enough but still don't have enough carbs to fuel myself, so my body is forced to burn fat for energy. Plus, the apple sneaks in tons more other types of nutrition my cereal or muffin snack would not have. Or so my potentially flawed understanding goes. Found the info in this great article: http://www.nerdfitness.com/blog/2010/10/04/the-beginners-guide-to-the-paleo-diet/

So I don't eat ANY bread, pasta, etc. at home. When I'm out with friends - whatever, who cares, what I do today isn't the problem, what I do *every* day is the problem. At home, I eat mostly fruit, nuts, vegetables (not many) and meat. I eat eggs, coconut water, and maybe a banana or two for breakfast. I have one major meal a day, usually in the afternoon (soy steak and brocolli stir fry, etc), and graze the rest of the day - some nuts and raisins here, a raw bell pepper there, an apple and some almond butter over there.

Net result, lost 7 pounds in the first 2 weeks, felt much better. It works, and I'm not hungry by any means. When I stopped freaking out and trying to find the exact right thing, and instead started doing *something*, it worked. "The perfect is the enemy of the good."

May work for you, may not. Take it as you will.

 

[JohnSand]

Soy = MANboobs

OK, then, why are so many Asian MEN small-breasted?

This thread is killing me.

 

[m_c_zero]

OK, then, why are so many Asian MEN small-breasted?

This thread is killing me.

More than a handful is a waste?

 

[kennywd]

its a well known fact that fish is the healthiest source of protein containing the best amino acids and essential fats for processing carbohydrates into energy as well as the many benefits of consuming fish oil on a regular basis.

The problem with non meat sources is that they do not contain these amino acids and essential fats.

Fish (sea food) is very healthy with a good balance. But than again they contain mercury. And tell you not to eat when prego or to feed to small children depending on fish and its levels.

http://fishcooking.about.com/od/howtochoosefreshfish/bb/mercury_fish.htm



Veggies actually do contain your amino acids. Just certain veggies in lower levels. But you do get your amino acids. As for essential fatty acids you get most from nuts.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_protein

 

[Punity]

Since the thread started with a troll-ish title ("the sky isn't blue" is incorrect, "the sky isn't my preferred shade of blue" may be correct), I'll entirely ignore the original intent and instead weigh in with my general eating perspective here... I've read the China study, lots of articles on various ways of eating, you name it... Trying to find the truth, but all I found were contradictions and confusion. In the end, I settled on something that sort of resembles Paleo. Not because of the hand-wavy, foaming at the mouth anti-grainism, but simply because my personal weight problem was caused by eating too much grain-based stuff. Body gets low on energy, body freaks out, tells your mind to make you eat something super carb-rich to replenish (We're not starving, we have a pantry full of white bread! Go eat some!). Inevitably you overeat by a bit, and that extra gets stored as fat. If I don't grab some toast or cereal as a snack and instead grab an apple, I get full enough but still don't have enough carbs to fuel myself, so my body is forced to burn fat for energy. Plus, the apple sneaks in tons more other types of nutrition my cereal or muffin snack would not have. Or so my potentially flawed understanding goes. Found the info in this great article: http://www.nerdfitness.com/blog/2010/10/04/the-beginners-guide-to-the-paleo-diet/

So I don't eat ANY bread, pasta, etc. at home. When I'm out with friends - whatever, who cares, what I do today isn't the problem, what I do *every* day is the problem. At home, I eat mostly fruit, nuts, vegetables (not many) and meat. I eat eggs, coconut water, and maybe a banana or two for breakfast. I have one major meal a day, usually in the afternoon (soy steak and brocolli stir fry, etc), and graze the rest of the day - some nuts and raisins here, a raw bell pepper there, an apple and some almond butter over there.

Net result, lost 7 pounds in the first 2 weeks, felt much better. It works, and I'm not hungry by any means. When I stopped freaking out and trying to find the exact right thing, and instead started doing *something*, it worked. "The perfect is the enemy of the good."

May work for you, may not. Take it as you will.

Got to plus one this. I feel the exact same way. Its not about how much more hipster your diet is but what works for you. I have to say I havent felt better in years

 

[Ryush806]

As for essential fatty acids you get most from nuts.

Yeah...deez nuts!!!

 

[dfc]

I'll eat what I damn well please, thank you.

 

[Arg1129]

There is a slight flaw with the OP's reasoning though. All proteins are not created equal. Meat proteins contain different amino acids and other lipids that a human needs but cannot produce naturally. There are also enzymes that are absorbed from meats that are used in cell growth and healthy cell regeneration. By eating meat your body ban absorb those nutrients and keep healthy cell growth. Not that eating all veggies can be done for a lifetime, genetically humans are created to eat a variety of foods to gain the needed sustenance from it all.

I do think the highly modified foods of today are problematic and that all the extra hormones added to meat is probably more detrimental to our health than the benefits of the meat to begin with; but you can find good grass fed, no hormone meats and fish.

I'm also not sold on the safety of genetically modified crops and think that eating just that could be worse than a steak or tasty tasty bacon burger. Or the In & Out burger I am eating as I write this post.

Just my .02¢

Now I think I need to smoke a nice ten lb pork butt.

 

[dfc]

Babies die from vegan diets...

http://naturalhygienesociety.org/diet-veganbaby.html

 

[FourSeasonAngler]

If our creator hadn't intended us to eat animals they would not be so delicious.

Anyone ever had Kale.... ? blech

I was definitely not meant to eat that...



Humans are omnivores. We ave the luxury of being able to survive on meat and/or non-meat.

Also, complaining about an ad for a vegetarian product on HBT is about as silly as complaining about an ad for tampons.

jus sayin