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waking11

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Hello,

I'm about to try my first all grain solo batch and my first batch of any kind in about 3 years. Trying to regain some knowledge and recall how I went about certain things.

I have a 52 qt cooler as a mash tun and am about to make a 5 gal batch IPA. i was reading about preheating the mash tun as a way to help with maintaining temp. My question is do I use part of my strike water set to a higher temp and then add the rest? Or do I just take additional water set higher and drain that prior to mashing in?

I wasn't able to discern looking through the forum. Thank you all and I'm excited to be back in the game.

Cheers!

waking11
 
It works better if you have hotter than strike temp water. What I do is heat 2-3 gallons to boil on my stove while my strike is heating up. That way, I use one or two gallons of the boiling water to preheat the tun, and the other is ready to go in case I am too low on my strike temps.
 
It doesn't really matter- you can do it either way. It is easier for me to add my strike water at 180 degrees and then let it cool to my strike temperature but you can preheat with other water and drain it. Especially in the winter, a cooler can suck a lot of heat out of the water!
 
Ok cool. And that's 2-3 gallons not including the strike? I think that's what you mean. Got it, thanks!
 
Ok cool. And that's 2-3 gallons not including the strike? I think that's what you mean. Got it, thanks!

Yes. I boil that on my stove while my strike water is heating on the burner. What I like about this approach is that I not only get my tun nice and hot, but I also have a little boiling water left over and if I had my strike water and for whatever reason I come out a little lower than intended, I can add it to the mash and bring the temps up to perfect. If your mash temp ends up too high, it's always easy to bring it down... adding water colder than say 152F is no problem, but if it's low, say 149, You'd have to have water that is significantly hotter than that waiting and ready to go to adjust upwards.

Yooper's way works just as well, I've done that before too. I think that my cooler holds temp like such a beast that even with my lid off, I might have to actively cool it down if I did it that way, or I'd be waiting a while to dough-in. She's right about the cooler eating up some serious heat in the winter, but in the summer, mine doesn't tend to lose heat all that quickly and I like to try to get it right from the gate.
 
I go with the strike water @ 180F method. Let it sit in the tun and drop down to my strike temp and then dough in. I usually do 10g batches so Id rather not hear up two separate batches of water. Either method works though


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Someone can please correct me if I'm being over-paranoid:

If the inside of your mash tun is lined with plastic, then I'd be leery of heating water too hot to pre-heat the tun. It can warp the plastic and possibly even cause some to leach into the wort. I don't recall the exact temp, but I believe I've read in a thread here that somewhere in the 180-190 temp range can cause this to happen. Please don't quote me on that figure though as I'm just going from memory and may have it wrong.
 
Rather than per heating, I recommend using beer Smith brewing software to calculate your grain temp and needed strike water temp. The software is super accurate, and cheap. I have always been within .5 dregreees of mash temp using it
 
Someone can please correct me if I'm being over-paranoid:

If the inside of your mash tun is lined with plastic, then I'd be leery of heating water too hot to pre-heat the tun. It can warp the plastic and possibly even cause some to leach into the wort. I don't recall the exact temp, but I believe I've read in a thread here that somewhere in the 180-190 temp range can cause this to happen. Please don't quote me on that figure though as I'm just going from memory and may have it wrong.

This, everyone saying they preheat their tun with boiling water shouldnt be if they are using an igloo cooler.

Realistically I just get my strike water a few degree's hotter than the strike temperature and put it in and let it sit for a minute or two, stir it to cool it down if necessary then throw the grains in. Worst case if your over you can throw a cup or two of your sparge water in at a time to cool it down to where you want.

I always aim for a temp slightly higher than i want(beersmith just happens to always be like 2-3F higher than it thinks i should be. Its easy to cool down the mash with cold water, once its in there its much harder to bring up to temp unless you already have water boiling. Being as i dont have a HLT its the easiest way.
 
We usually recommend the same as JoshuaWhite5522 to our customers. It is easier to have the perfect temperature when adding your water to the mash tun, and there is less likely of a chance of your water dropping below optimum mashing temperature. The Smith program is right on, and has so many more useful purposes. Definitely worth looking in to. Goodluck, and Cheers!:mug:
 
I use a 52-quart cooler as well. I take roughly 6 gallons of my hottest tap water to pre-heat the tun. I start that just before I start heating my strike water. I use the pre-heat water for washing any of the smaller items from my brew process and then use it to rinse the tun out after I've mashed out.
 
Rather than per heating, I recommend using beer Smith brewing software to calculate your grain temp and needed strike water temp. The software is super accurate, and cheap. I have always been within .5 dregreees of mash temp using it

Bingo!

The only time I really give it a thought anymore is if it's super cold outside.
 
Rather than per heating, I recommend using beer Smith brewing software to calculate your grain temp and needed strike water temp. The software is super accurate, and cheap. I have always been within .5 dregreees of mash temp using it

Couldn't agree with this more. I heard recommendations to preheat my mash tun so I started adding hot water to heat it up. The problem with that is that Beersmith and I'd assume other software take into account the temperature of the mash tun. I was ending up with a high mash temp because my setting in Beersmith was for room temp for my mash tun. I stopped preheating my mash tun and I've been right on target with my mash temps.
 
Rather than per heating, I recommend using beer Smith brewing software to calculate your grain temp and needed strike water temp. The software is super accurate, and cheap. I have always been within .5 dregreees of mash temp using it


I use beersmih and it is very accurate, IF I preheat the tun.

This, everyone saying they preheat their tun with boiling water shouldnt be if they are using an igloo cooler.

Realistically I just get my strike water a few degree's hotter than the strike temperature and put it in and let it sit for a minute or two, stir it to cool it down if necessary then throw the grains in. Worst case if your over you can throw a cup or two of your sparge water in at a time to cool it down to where you want.

I always aim for a temp slightly higher than i want(beersmith just happens to always be like 2-3F higher than it thinks i should be. Its easy to cool down the mash with cold water, once its in there its much harder to bring up to temp unless you already have water boiling. Being as i dont have a HLT its the easiest way.

The whole idea is that by preheating, your preheat water cools almost instantly once it's in the tun... that's what would be happening to the strike water. It's not like anyone is filling their tun with boiling water. The water stays not much hotter than what you mash with for only like 10 seconds.
 
Someone can please correct me if I'm being over-paranoid:

If the inside of your mash tun is lined with plastic, then I'd be leery of heating water too hot to pre-heat the tun. It can warp the plastic and possibly even cause some to leach into the wort. I don't recall the exact temp, but I believe I've read in a thread here that somewhere in the 180-190 temp range can cause this to happen. Please don't quote me on that figure though as I'm just going from memory and may have it wrong.

Yes, plastic mash tuns can and do get warped. They may warp over time, or they may get warped by the pre-heating process. Pouring a small amount of boiling water into them to pre-heat them certainly can't help.

I advocate that people keep their mash tuns the same approximate temperature every brew day by storing their mash tuns inside their homes where the temps are pretty similar be it summer or winter. And then just add a few degrees to their strike temps to hit their mash temps. How many degrees is going to have to be figured out by their own trials.

After some experimenting, I found out that if I pre-heated my mash tun, I'd have to heat my strike water 15° warmer than my target mash temp in order to hit the target mash temp. If I didn't pre-heat the mash tun, I had to heat the water 17° higher. Since it was only a matter of 2°, I just stopped pre-heating the mash tun altogether and instead upped my strike water temps by 2°.
 
The part I don't understand why some of you preheat with hot water, drain it and then add hot "strike water." Sounds cumbersome and waste of hot water. Why not simply pre-heat with your full volume of strike water, it being "a few degrees higher" to compensate for the tun's heat innertia.

How many degrees higher? BeerSmith allows you to enter values into your equipment profile for your mash tun's specific heat and mass, which is great. The problem is it doesn't take into account the heat loss while you're mashing in. I guess raising those profile values may help to get it closer.

Now, all that said, I've found I typically need to start mashing in 4 degrees higher than my calculated strike temp. I lose that extra heat while stirring and the lid being off. That's for a 52qt rectangular "Extreme" cooler, about half full with mash. The larger the mash the less the temp drop, but also requires longer stirring.
 
It doesn't really matter- you can do it either way. It is easier for me to add my strike water at 180 degrees and then let it cool to my strike temperature but you can preheat with other water and drain it. Especially in the winter, a cooler can suck a lot of heat out of the water!

I do essentially the same thing. But . . .

About three years now into all grain, I've had to change my setup a couple of times meaning, different preheat routine etc. The last time, I decided to do this 'scientifically.' I put a measured amount of hot water into my mash tun, recorded the water temp just before pouring in, and then let it sit about one hour and took the temperature again. By multiplying the change in degrees by the number of quarts of water used I calculated the amount of heat (in degree-quarts) that my setup absorbed. In this case (a brand new, 52 qt Coleman Xtreme with a fairly large copper manifold) the system absorbed 300 degree-quarts.

Why bother?

I brew a range of beers from LG bitters with 8 lbs of grain, to HG IPA with 16+ lbs grain. So, the amount of preheated strike water going in to the cold mash tun varies by up to a factor of 2. Previously I always added about 15 degrees to the strike water, but noticed that it sometimes wouldn't drop to strike temp without some encouragement, or would overshoot and I'd be running out to fire up the kettle again. It takes a surprising amount of boiling water to raise temp by a couple of degrees, messing up your water to grain ratio. It was no act of genius to notice that the small volume batches tended to overshoot on the way down!

Now I calculate the preheat temp by dividing 300 by the number of quarts of strike water to give degrees lost to preheat. For small batches this can be up to 30 degrees, which was surprising, but so far, I've found it much easier to hit the strike temperature within reasonable times with this additional step. And I don't have to run for boiling water anymore!

There are some assumptions of course.

First, that you have a good cooler that will reach equilibrium temp and hold it fairly steady. Then, after one hour, you have probably hit that equilibrium so you are really calculating the thermal absorption of your system, and not some arbitrary number on the way back down to room temperature (which you are, in fact, but you know what I mean). It seems most of us have a pretty good cooler by now that will hold mash temps if we are batch sparging.

Second, that in your experiment, you are using a 'typical' volume of strike water and a 'typical' temperature, like 15 qts at 180 degrees. I doubt your results will be valid if you put in 2 quarts of boiling water, or fill it to the top with 120 degree used bathwater. Might make an interesting experiment though.

Finally, that the ambients are not moving around too much. I brew in the same place in the basement now, always, although I used to move around and had noticed big changes in the amount of heat absorbed (and temperature loss during the mash during the winter, which is why I moved indoors in the first place). You may want to calibrate for multiple ambients if you prefer that kind of variety in your brew days.
 
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