LME and DME why?

[WOP31]

Not to bust your balls or anything, but the drying out process of the malt (DME) kills any hop oils extracted... so no, you dont get hopped DME unless its refrigerated and has hops IN it (like pieces)....

You aren't busting my balls, you are just showing a lack of research. check this out.
http://www.muntons.com/homebeer/other-products/spraymalt_hopped_light.asp

Like i said in my original post, there are multiple ways to make DME, and with Spray drying you can make a hopped DME, but check the website and if I am wrong I will be the first to admit it. Also I don't understand how you could kill any hop oils, its oil, you cant "kill" oil. Maybe I don't understand what you mean by this.

Oh yeah, is hopped LME refrigerated?

Cheers

 

[Orfy]

It would be pointless producing DME from a hopped malt. The proccess would remove most if not all of the hop oils, not kill them.
The Hopped DME will most probably have some hop(stuff?) added after drying.
I'd stay clear and add my own for the best results.
The pre hopped malt extract is quite good if it's fresh but it should not be boiled or you'll drive off any hop aroma it has.

 

[homebrewer_99]

You do not have to do full boils with DME. I don't.

You do, however, have to do a 1 hour boil for the 30% (bittering) hop utilization.

The amount of malt you use to acquire the 30% is 1 gal of water to 1 lb of malt, giving you an OG of 1.040. Check Pappa Z's book for the chart.

I do late additions and add the remaining hops at 45 mins and just steep it for 15 mins.

One of my last experiments was a 30 min boil, but I doubled the hops which equals the same bitterness.

My last experiment I only used 1 oz of DME and boiled it for 45 mins, removed from the heat then added the remaining malt and a steep.

My next experiment will be approx 1 oz hops and NO malt in a 45 mins boil then I'll add all the malt and do a 15 mins steep.

 

[Robbw]

I still don't get why there is a mix of the same types of malt extracts but in dry or liquid form. I use DME and LME most of the time. My house ale is 1 3.3 lb can of Coopers Light LME and 2 lbs of DME. (plus the 3 # of grain that I steep at the beginning). Why not use all of LME OR DME? I haven't heard that Coopers has a bad reputation for quality.

I did try an all LME with 1.1 lbs LME translating into 1 lb DME. (trying to buy in bulk to save some money) But it was part of a double batch done outside on the keg-brewpot. Too much heat left a burnt carmel flavor in the batch (next time..full boils). But couldn't reach any conclusions on what would happen with all LME or DME. Certainly would make that particular beer easier.

 

[WOP31]

Orfy my point was only that they do produce a hopped extract. I have never used it. I only found it five minutes before making my original post when I was looking up information on the different type of Dried extracts, more specifically the different drying processes. As for hopped LME I have only used it once, six years ago on my first batch, so I can't attest to its quality. But hasn't it already been boiled? After all, Liquid Malt Extract is just a condenced wort, Reading up on the process of condensing, also from what I learned in culinary arts school, all they are doing is mashing grains to produce wort, then boiling the wort to make a reduction or syrup, so in all actuality you could call it malt reduction instead of extract.

Getting back to the original topic though, the diference lies mainly (in my opinion, not to upset any one) in the amount of fermentables in them and colors that they add to your brew. A lot has to do with personal preference too. My personal preference is to use all light DME, added in the last 20 minutes of the boil, so I can control the color better with my grains.

**Disclaimer**
The opinions expressed in this post, stated or implied, in no way reflect any type of truth or correct procedural way to do anything. The point of homebrewing is to do things the way that YOU want.

 

[Kadmium]

lol WOP31, and I was not trying to come off like a know it all, just trying to give a detailed explanation into the differences between LME and DME, because if there was no real difference except for one being a liquid and the other not, then there would not be such huge competiton

But, like I said, DME does not come pre-hopped, the spraymalt stuff that muntons sells is DME with hop extract added, because the drying of DME will neutralize out any hop oils and kill the aroma/flavour...

However, like Orfy stated, I would not touch it, as I prefer to control my own hop additions.


In relation to the guy who uses the coopers LME, I stated in a previous post that coopers make a GREAT LME. Coopers is an Australian company, and down under its a VERY big name with homebrew and just beer in general (coming from the beer drinking captial.. Australia!)

So yes, alot of *ME comes from preferance. With DME you can control your brew to a higher extent then LME, but I will still use LME on the odd occasion...

 

[WOP31]

All I was saying is that they DO make it (see my last post). I have never used it, don't plan on using it, and had only heard of it right before I posted. But the point was that I went out and took the time to research the topic before I posted about it. I feel that not enough people do that. And then they post misleading and incorect information. Google is a wonderful thing. And yes there are many diferences between LME & DME (again read my last post). I was just pointing out a few. and posting my opinion. I choose to use only light DME so I have more control over my color. I am sure that there are a ton of people out there that will tell me that I am doing that wrong too, but do I care, no.

Cheers

 

[Orfy]

All I was saying is that they DO make it (see my last post). I have never used it, don't plan on using it, and had only heard of it right before I posted. But the point was that I went out and took the time to research the topic before I posted about it. I feel that not enough people do that. And then they post misleading and incorect information. Google is a wonderful thing. And yes there are many diferences between LME & DME (again read my last post). I was just pointing out a few. and posting my opinion. I choose to use only light DME so I have more control over my color. I am sure that there are a ton of people out there that will tell me that I am doing that wrong too, but do I care, no.

Cheers

You are quite right along with the people stating that it's probably not a good idea to use the hopped dme. It's amazing how many people are to lazy to use google.

 

[Kadmium]

I guess I never would have guessed that DME comes pre-hopped! It was definatley a good find WOP31. I pick up my info from other brewers on this forum, as I feel that the experience of real brewers, who have brewed hundreds of batches and tried every experiment under the sun will collectivley have a greater knowledge then www.some_guys_page.on.how_awesome_my_stuff_is.com...

but yeah, orfy and yourself are correct, would not touch pre-hopped anything!

 

[EvilTOJ]

There's another reason why brewers would use LME and DME together in one recipe: COST! At my LHBS, DME is $3.69 a lb, and LME is $1.70 a lb. I only use LME when doing extract recipes.

 

[Torchiest]

Yep, DME is way more expensive, even accounting for the fact that it's more concentrated. I use only LME for brewing, but I use DME for starters and priming.

 

[SteveM]

I'm curious about which LMR producers are "less reputable." I check the ingredients of every can I buy and none has listed anything but malted barley and water. I've used Coopers, Breiss and several others. Has this been documented? It's hanging out there still and if I missed the link that substantiates that it happens and who does it, I apologize.

 

[Chairman Cheyco]

I'm curious about which LMR producers are "less reputable." I check the ingredients of every can I buy and none has listed anything but malted barley and water. I've used Coopers, Breiss and several others. Has this been documented? It's hanging out there still and if I missed the link that substantiates that it happens and who does it, I apologize.

You haven't missed it. It seems that there is no sustaining evidence for that claim...

 

[7Moonz]

This is a very interesting thread to me. I have a couple of takes on it.

1. Most extract brewers in this forum seem to prefer dry malt extract over liquid. Yet, the two LHBS's I go to always want to sell LME. Most of the online ones seem to have a lot more LME than DME on their websites. Most extract recipes I see (not all, but most) seem to feature mostly LME.

2. Is this an accurate assessment: Tasters Choice instant powder vs. ground coffee: ick. Make that totally ick.

Frozen concentrate vs. fresh squeezed orange juice. Not as good as the fresh, but definitely not ick.

I could be way wrong, but to me it would seem that liquid malt extract is sort of concentrated wort that's sort of the same as orange juice concentrate. The dry would seem to be more like the instant coffee.

gay, absolutely gay. wow. Sorry but your comparing apples to instant oranges! I say, try reading up on the processes of LME and DME. Also, ask yourself this- is either one more efficient than the other? Then maybe it will make sense.