Let's Remember Some Beers (In Memoriam: Old Whales)

[KevSal]

The big difference between then and now is that the Cantillon bottling dates are incredibly well documented on some website whose name I can't bother to remember.

tosh.info?

 

[yeahnatenelson]

tosh.info?

Sounds right.

 

[Stewmeister91]

if other lost abbey sours age anything like the DDG ‘13 I recently opened...you are better off using it to remove nail polish than consuming it

Opened one about 6 months, it was massively infected. Flat, nail polish the whole nine yards

 

[matedog]

I can’t imagine a peach AWA from 08 holding a candle to modern AWAs from de garde and the like.

 

[jmgrub]

Some poor sucker is going to pay that not knowing that Beat fresh is best.

The last few batches I've had have not been good period. Too tart/acidic.

 

[KevSal]

The last few batches I've had have not been good period. Too tart/acidic.

but but vinnie says it’s the best batch he’s ever made!!

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[CheapBeerBuzz]

This thread and the corresponding article are pure gold. I can’t believe I’m an elder statesman of craft beer. Oh well, one day I’ll be cool with Silicon Valley execs and Netflix documentaries for my hoarding tendencies. Here are some examples of bottles I still have in my collection for a cool charity tasting or when I need to whip it out to prove my worth. Check it out:

- Funky Buddha 12oz Passionfruit Berliner
- Growler (64oz) of draft batch (B0?) of Anchorage Deal with the Devil
- Veritas 003-Current (please reach out if you have 001 or 002)
- Bruery BA Partridge
- RRB Depuration
- HF Ann B1/B2

It’s easy to spend some cash and track down a bottle of Blauw or 1998 LPK. Entirely different trying to track some of these ratites that no one ever expected to be worth saving. I have some even stranger crap than these if anyone wants me to keep going (like the entire Midnight Sun Planet Series, including IPA’s).

Also, I know I have a sickness, just let it go people. We all have better beers than these, but these are oddities are the beers that really give me a hard on thinking about drinking them in the future.

 

[KevSal]

This thread and the corresponding article are pure gold. I can’t believe I’m an elder statesman of craft beer. Oh well, one day I’ll be cool with Silicon Valley execs and Netflix documentaries for my hoarding tendencies. Here are some examples of bottles I still have in my collection for a cool charity tasting or when I need to whip it out to prove my worth. Check it out:

- Funky Buddha 12oz Passionfruit Berliner
- Growler (64oz) of draft batch (B0?) of Anchorage Deal with the Devil
- Veritas 003-Current (please reach out if you have 001 or 002)
- Bruery BA Partridge
- RRB Depuration
- HF Ann B1/B2

It’s easy to spend some cash and track down a bottle of Blauw or 1998 LPK. Entirely different trying to track some of these ratites that no one ever expected to be worth saving. I have some even stranger crap than these if anyone wants me to keep going (like the entire Midnight Sun Planet Series, including IPA’s).

Also, I know I have a sickness, just let it go people. We all have better beers than these, but these are oddities are the beers that really give me a hard on thinking about drinking them in the future.

let me know when you finally open that batch zero growler!

 

[skrip]

This thread and the corresponding article are pure gold. I can’t believe I’m an elder statesman of craft beer. Oh well, one day I’ll be cool with Silicon Valley execs and Netflix documentaries for my hoarding tendencies. Here are some examples of bottles I still have in my collection for a cool charity tasting or when I need to whip it out to prove my worth. Check it out:

- Funky Buddha 12oz Passionfruit Berliner
- Growler (64oz) of draft batch (B0?) of Anchorage Deal with the Devil
- Veritas 003-Current (please reach out if you have 001 or 002)
- Bruery BA Partridge
- RRB Depuration
- HF Ann B1/B2

It’s easy to spend some cash and track down a bottle of Blauw or 1998 LPK. Entirely different trying to track some of these ratites that no one ever expected to be worth saving. I have some even stranger crap than these if anyone wants me to keep going (like the entire Midnight Sun Planet Series, including IPA’s).

Also, I know I have a sickness, just let it go people. We all have better beers than these, but these are oddities are the beers that really give me a hard on thinking about drinking them in the future.

and i still want to try that passionfruit berliner hahaha

 

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[KevSal]

now days its for Instagram posts

 

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now days its for Instagram posts

I feel like #craftbeernewmoney would look at Dave and not understand the value.

"Bro, I could get 15 cases of Treehouse instead of that soy sauce".

Heck, I barely understand it, lol.

 

[stupac2]

This thread and the corresponding article are pure gold. I can’t believe I’m an elder statesman of craft beer. Oh well, one day I’ll be cool with Silicon Valley execs and Netflix documentaries for my hoarding tendencies. Here are some examples of bottles I still have in my collection for a cool charity tasting or when I need to whip it out to prove my worth. Check it out:

- Funky Buddha 12oz Passionfruit Berliner
- Growler (64oz) of draft batch (B0?) of Anchorage Deal with the Devil
- Veritas 003-Current (please reach out if you have 001 or 002)
- Bruery BA Partridge
- RRB Depuration
- HF Ann B1/B2

It’s easy to spend some cash and track down a bottle of Blauw or 1998 LPK. Entirely different trying to track some of these ratites that no one ever expected to be worth saving. I have some even stranger crap than these if anyone wants me to keep going (like the entire Midnight Sun Planet Series, including IPA’s).

Also, I know I have a sickness, just let it go people. We all have better beers than these, but these are oddities are the beers that really give me a hard on thinking about drinking them in the future.

Man I wanna tick some of those! We need to do another bay area idiots tasting.

 

[matedog]

Side note, I wonder why they only ever did one batch of Depuration. Even the bottle log (https://russianriverbrewing.com/depuration-bottle-logs/?age-verified=18b5725e98) says it’s the only time they will ever make it.

Same as to why they never tried to bottle Compunction again. I remember reading that there was too much sediment or something the one time they tried so they never bothered again. Seems like that’s something they could learn to fix. I guess they stopped trying to do new things around 2011.

 

[SAISON FUCK]

Man, people excited about 6 year old berliners and Barleywine growlers, but no Veritas 005 googly eyes? For shame. One of the few beers out there that I would still flip out about having the opportunity to try.

 

[ExPimp]

This thread and the corresponding article are pure gold. I can’t believe I’m an elder statesman of craft beer. Oh well, one day I’ll be cool with Silicon Valley execs and Netflix documentaries for my hoarding tendencies. Here are some examples of bottles I still have in my collection for a cool charity tasting or when I need to whip it out to prove my worth. Check it out:

- Funky Buddha 12oz Passionfruit Berliner
- Growler (64oz) of draft batch (B0?) of Anchorage Deal with the Devil
- Veritas 003-Current (please reach out if you have 001 or 002)
- Bruery BA Partridge
- RRB Depuration
- HF Ann B1/B2

It’s easy to spend some cash and track down a bottle of Blauw or 1998 LPK. Entirely different trying to track some of these ratites that no one ever expected to be worth saving. I have some even stranger crap than these if anyone wants me to keep going (like the entire Midnight Sun Planet Series, including IPA’s).

Also, I know I have a sickness, just let it go people. We all have better beers than these, but these are oddities are the beers that really give me a hard on thinking about drinking them in the future.

All beers I would love to try...


I always wanted to tick Saison Lambic Pinot Noir.... Tried trading for it and always fell short.

 

[AndresR]

This thread and the corresponding article are pure gold. I can’t believe I’m an elder statesman of craft beer. Oh well, one day I’ll be cool with Silicon Valley execs and Netflix documentaries for my hoarding tendencies. Here are some examples of bottles I still have in my collection for a cool charity tasting or when I need to whip it out to prove my worth. Check it out:

- Funky Buddha 12oz Passionfruit Berliner
- Growler (64oz) of draft batch (B0?) of Anchorage Deal with the Devil
- Veritas 003-Current (please reach out if you have 001 or 002)
- Bruery BA Partridge
- RRB Depuration
- HF Ann B1/B2

It’s easy to spend some cash and track down a bottle of Blauw or 1998 LPK. Entirely different trying to track some of these ratites that no one ever expected to be worth saving. I have some even stranger crap than these if anyone wants me to keep going (like the entire Midnight Sun Planet Series, including IPA’s).

Also, I know I have a sickness, just let it go people. We all have better beers than these, but these are oddities are the beers that really give me a hard on thinking about drinking them in the future.

You still holding that AdwtD b. .5 over our heads?

 

[davey101]

cartoon whales

Was bummed when they stopped doing this. Some hilarious cartoons that are now time capsules of a much different time in beer

I subscribed to the beeradvocate magazine just for those comics.

 

[jammery]

Interesting point Nate. How has there not been more situations/stories come out about counterfeit bottles? Remember about 2012 where the Jean Chris Nomad counterfeit started a conversation where a few more examples came out.

I know these counterfeits are very rare occurrence, but with the increase of the black market, especially a more anonymous market like the BBB sites which doesn't have the accountability of their peers like a site like TB/RB/BA. Seems like with more people in the hobby, more beers that are sought-after, it stands to reason that a few bad apple counterfeiters would slip into the mix.

Maybe it's is happening, people just aren't catching them, Maybe because these newer people never had the originals they can't tell the difference between a real vs fake. Curious indeed.

I really believe there a lot of fake Vanilla Ryes out. No one will ever because they just get constantly flipped but it was just too easy to make a quick $200 for people not to have been doing it.
The bourbon market is even crazier and the counterfeiting has been on a much larger level and yet people still shell out so much money for these bottles. I’d never pony up for what pappy costs on the secondary but if I did, I would definitely demand to see a store receipt.

 

[Gonzoillini1]

lurchingbeast and myself gave up a LOT of rare mead for a questionable provenance Cantillon Grand Cru 83, but I believe the guy we traded with was 100% legit, it's just the bottle he traded us couldn't be tracked back to the originial owner.

We made said trade long enough ago that I'm not worried in the slightest as had he burned us, it would have been a massive negative for him going forward. Unfortunately, the market these days isn't what it was even 3 years ago, and as a result I'm not sure I'd trade for anything that wasn't a "shelf" bottle or didn't have great provenance.

And that makes me sad as I used to trust everyone who traded old / rare beer, and I really don't think I ever got taken.

These days I'm just glad my local (and extended) drinking groups have fun old beers to share.

 

[skrip]

All beers I would love to try...


I always wanted to tick Saison Lambic Pinot Noir.... Tried trading for it and always fell short.

this! i'm sure its terrible now but i'd still like to try it.

 

[brian4beer]

this! i'm sure its terrible now but i'd still like to try it.

Was not very good 3 years ago, so yes, likely terrible by now. One of those checklist ticks, but not worth the cost in terms of taste

 

[brian4beer]

Man, people excited about 6 year old berliners and Barleywine growlers, but no Veritas 005 googly eyes? For shame. One of the few beers out there that I would still flip out about having the opportunity to try.

V005 was amazing 5 years ago. Had that bright ruby red color.

Had it again a year ago and had turned a darkish brown/red color and was no where near as good.

Bottles came from same source and obtained by same person way back so 2nd one was not a Mikesgoove V009 swap out

 

[yeahnatenelson]

I really believe there a lot of fake Vanilla Ryes out. No one will ever because they just get constantly flipped but it was just too easy to make a quick $200 for people not to have been doing it.
The bourbon market is even crazier and the counterfeiting has been on a much larger level and yet people still shell out so much money for these bottles. I’d never pony up for what pappy costs on the secondary but if I did, I would definitely demand to see a store receipt.

I don't really buy into this, mainly because the effort that goes into creating a compelling fake bottle is not worth what your profit would be from selling the faked Vanilla Rye.

Putting aside Yellow Bus, which just looks like an unlabeled bottle of any pale Lost Abbey beer, nearly all of the other instances of noted fake bottles I can think of were laughably shabby attempts driven by stupidity and/or desperation: awful rewax jobs; beer inside is oxidized, flat and/or infected; "blueberry lambic" is teal-colored, etc.

 

[boogercrack]

I don't really buy into this, mainly because the effort that goes into creating a compelling fake bottle is not worth what your profit would be from selling the faked Vanilla Rye.

Like 90% of the bcs I drink now I put half a split vanilla bean in and recap it and let it sit in my fridge for a day or two prior to drinking. Recapping a gently opened actual VR wouldn't be that hard, nor is faking the way it actually tastes. If the recapping leaks in transit... well.. oopsie daisy. Good luck getting recourse.

 

[boogercrack]

Putting aside Yellow Bus, which just looks like an unlabeled bottle of any pale Lost Abbey beer, nearly all of the other instances of noted fake bottles I can think of were laughably shabby attempts driven by stupidity and/or desperation: awful rewax jobs; beer inside is oxidized, flat and/or infected; "blueberry lambic" is teal-colored, etc.

And weren't the JCNs only noted due the labels having indicators of being scanned in and reprinted or something

 

[Saind]

And weren't the JCNs only noted due the labels having indicators of being scanned in and reprinted or something

Yeah very clearly inkjet printed labels and unrounded corners

 

[yeahnatenelson]

Recapping a gently opened actual VR wouldn't be that hard, nor is faking the way it actually tastes. If the recapping leaks in transit... well.. oopsie daisy. Good luck getting recourse.

...but then you're trying to profit by selling a fake Vanilla Rye that's in fact...a real Vanilla Rye?

 

[BeersMorgan]

Highly recommend watching Sour Grapes on Netflix. Taking the counterfeit bottle/label game to new heights.

 

[RyanG1]

This thread and the corresponding article are pure gold. I can’t believe I’m an elder statesman of craft beer. Oh well, one day I’ll be cool with Silicon Valley execs and Netflix documentaries for my hoarding tendencies. Here are some examples of bottles I still have in my collection for a cool charity tasting or when I need to whip it out to prove my worth. Check it out:

- Funky Buddha 12oz Passionfruit Berliner
- Growler (64oz) of draft batch (B0?) of Anchorage Deal with the Devil
- Veritas 003-Current (please reach out if you have 001 or 002)
- Bruery BA Partridge
- RRB Depuration
- HF Ann B1/B2

It’s easy to spend some cash and track down a bottle of Blauw or 1998 LPK. Entirely different trying to track some of these ratites that no one ever expected to be worth saving. I have some even stranger crap than these if anyone wants me to keep going (like the entire Midnight Sun Planet Series, including IPA’s).

Also, I know I have a sickness, just let it go people. We all have better beers than these, but these are oddities are the beers that really give me a hard on thinking about drinking them in the future.

Any of these floating around?