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Lacto-Fermented Pickle Chips

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Last night I started a new project with my "Kraut Kit" from FarmSteady:

http://farmsteady.com/shop/kraut-kit

As we've discussed before, the kit is probably a bit over-priced; but to be honest, after looking up the individual components, I don't think it is too far out of line. A person could cobble something together for much, much less, to be sure, but I like the convenience and the inspiration that comes from following FarmSteady as they try different things.

My previous sauerkraut project turned out really well - even better after some time in the refrigerator - so I figured I would try something new. The kit, of course, can be used to ferment many, many things, so it was a natural step to take; in fact, I suspect that FarmSteady is phasing out the "Kraut Kit" in favour of an identical kit packaged as a "Fermented Vegetable Kit:"

http://farmsteady.com/shop/fermented-vegetable-kit

The instructions are simple:

http://farmsteady.com/fermented-vegetables/

So simple that even I could manage it...almost. I did end up having a couple of minor glitches...more about that, later.

The kit ferments 2 quarts of whatever you want to ferment, so I bought 5 cucumbers for the project, which ended up being really close to the right amount. Everything else that I needed, I already had at home: kosher salt, beautiful, fresh, locally-grown garlic, dried red chile peppers, bay leaves, mustard seed....I didn't have any fresh dill, but I did have dried dill weed, and dill seed, if needed.

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After cleaning and laying everything out, I began. I started by roughly chopping the garlic cloves; however, after the first one, I switched to slicing them into "chips," for a better look:

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Next, I sliced the cucumbers; I considered slicing them by hand with a knife, but neither my knives nor my knife skills are very good, so I decided to try a tool that my oldest son, Josef, had gotten me for Christmas:

http://a.co/1a4dJ9i

This thing is pretty handy, actually; with the "whirly-bird" blade, I had previously reduced a head of cauliflower to rice in about 15 seconds.

This was the first time that I used the slicer attachment; because I was distracted by something else happening at the moment, I neglected to use the hand guard...and paid the price with a very nasty cut to my pinky finger. Let my mistake be a lesson: ALWAYS USE THE HAND GUARD!

While I tended to my sliced finger, my youngest son, Roger, finished slicing the cucumbers for me:

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Five cucumbers seemed like just enough, if anyone is keeping track.

Next, I dissolved 2 tablespoons of kosher salt into one quart of warm water:

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Strictly following the instructions, I probably should have done this before prepping the cucumbers and garlic, but I am sure that it will be fine.

The instructions didn't specify whether the water should be chlorinated or not; we have a spring south of town, and I could have gotten some water there, but ultimately chose not to. I did have half a litre of spring water on hand, so roughly half of this water was mildly chlorinated. I'm sure it will be fine, but I hope that I don't regret that decision.

Once the salt was dissolved into the water, I started adding the sliced cucumbers to the fermenting jar:

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Intermittently, I added some of my garlic, a bay leaf, a broken-up chile pepper and a teaspoon of mustard seeds now and then.

I continued this layering until I ran out of cucumber slices:

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Coincidentally, this was right when I reached the top of the jar.

I then topped with a layer of cucumbers:

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Next, I added a couple of bay leaves and set the glass fermentation weight into the jar on top of the cucumber slices. I then poured the brine into the jar until the fermentation weight was covered:

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After that, I put on the lid, filled the air-lock with sanitizer and set it into the lid:

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Did you notice something missing?

I forgot the dill. In fact, I didn't even think about it, until this morning!

I'll add some tonight, when I get home from work; we need to stop by the grocery on the way home, so I will even by some fresh dill. I'm not sure how much would be best to add, as it is a different type of dill than I normally use for my pickles; however, I'll probably be fairly conservative with it for this first attempt. I'll also be sure to add a few dill seeds, which seem to balance the dill weed a bit.

That's pretty much all there is to it!

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I put the jar on the top shelf of our bedroom closet, which is currently almost a "normal" and "steady" room temperature, in spite of the winter months in north-central Montana. I'll check it in a week or so, but I suspect that it will be at least two weeks before the pickles are ready - possibly three.

I am expecting some pretty good things to result from this, but we shall see how it goes. If anyone has any feedback, questions or anything else to add, please feel free to chime in.

More as it happens, etc. &c....

Ron
 
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Hey Ron,
"Real pickles" are a blast. I have never done salad cukes for this though. With vinegar methods they can get mushy, but i have always wondered about the naturally fermented. If you get the fresh cooking dill, the little "frond" fine feather stuff as opposed to heads or blooms. just use two or three sprigs in your batch it will be more than enough. Let me know about texture on the finished product.

-John
 
I have only made a few small batches of fermented pickles so far, and they were all mushy. I think I did not include enough tannin, which is supposed to help.

While my pickles didn't have great texture they tasted very good!
 
You should not use chlorinated water. It will inhibit fermentation. Hopefully since you diluted it will work out. Good luck! I love fermented pickles. Was thinking about doing a batch last week. I always used fresh cukes out of the garden. Apparently some grocery cukes have a waxy coating which is not recommended.
 
I have only made a few small batches of fermented pickles so far, and they were all mushy. I think I did not include enough tannin, which is supposed to help.

While my pickles didn't have great texture they tasted very good!


While I don’t have a fancy kit, I have been making fermented pickles for years. I make them at harvest time every year. I use fresh oak leaves picked from the tree, and put about 5-6 leaves on top of the pickles like a barrier blanket, and make sure my salt solution just covers the leaves.

The pickles have a nice crunch to them.
 
Good morning, everyone, and thanks for the replies.

These cucumbers are store-bought, unfortunately - here in subzero (Siberia) Montana, it's the only option, right now. I normally use fresh cucumbers and get good results out of them with a salt/vinegar brine; I'm not too fond of the little "gherkin" types, but the "salad" cucumbers are generally good enough for me, with minimum processing (about 5 minutes in a boiling water bath). They did have some sort of waxy coating on them. I tried to gently brush most of it off - we'll see if I was successful. I've got a package of seeds for Ukrainian cucumbers, and am looking forward to growing some this year.

I do agree about the water - I should have bitten the bullet and gotten some spring water. I'm hoping that the fact that it is diluted by half will help.

Anyway, because of those factors, I do expect these pickles to be "not crisp" - I'm hoping that they aren't full-on mush, but we'll see. As mentioned above, oak leaves can be a huge help in this regard. I've also heard that grape leaves work well, and cherry leaves are used in Romania. Unfortunately, none of these grow here.

I'm really looking forward to experimenting more with this lacto-fermentation type, so that I can learn to gauge the timeline, method etc.; and, If I'm lucky, I'll get some decent enough pickle chips out of it to snack on or use with meals.

I don't really consider this to be a "fancy" kit - it's just the basics. I priced out the components individually, and they were pretty much the same price, so I got it. Plus, I really like what FarmSteady is doing, and purchasing this and other kits is a way to support them, even if it is a little higher-priced than necessary.

When I added the dill the next day, there was definitely some fermentation starting; the airlock was working, albeit very slowly, and you could sense that the cucumbers were beginning their transformation. I went pretty conservatively with the dill because I wasn't able to stop and get some fresh stuff. I ended up using dried dill weed and some dill seeds. It tends to be pretty strong stuff, so I tried a couple of teaspoons, for now. I'm guessing I can add a little more later on, if need be.
 
I doubt they will be full on mush. Salad cukes just are a bit softer by nature. I use a lot of them for all sorts of fast or overnight pickles! I am lucky, we have a grocery that has an organic veggie section and they almost always have 4-5 inch kirby pickles year round. Don't know where they get them! But they ain't coated and they are always pretty sound and tasty. I've used the oak leaves too as mentioned above, and also grape leaves from one of our vines. I have done a lot of pickles with just the dried weed or seed or both - especially in winter. I was always happy with results. I love natural fermentation foods - I was lucky, my Grandmother was a real devoted food preserver and i was exposed to these processes and recipes really young.
 
My paternal grandparents in rural North Dakota were the same way. My grandpa had a garden in the back yard that seemed - to my childhood self - to be the size of Rhode Island. That garden provided a lot of the food for the family when my dad was growing up, and for decades after that. Much of it, of course, was preserved, as well. They also gathered quite a bit of nature's bounty: buffaloberries, chokecherries, crab apples, etc.

I remember a coffee can on the back step that had all of the peels, rinds and other scraps from the produce, as well as coffee grounds etc. All of the contents of the can went onto "the compost pile," which went back to the garden from which it came. Nowadays, I just bury all of that in our garden, along with the mash from my brewing; one of these days, I'll look into small-scale composing, as well.
 
It was a busy weekend, but I did get to sample a couple of these pickles and found them to be very good. The "pickled" flavor was right on point, with good garlic presence and a bit of heat from the peppers, but not too much. The dill itself seemed to be just about right, too.

As far as texture, the pickles were much, much less mushy than I expected. They had a bit of crunch to them and were about the same as what I expect from home-canned pickles made with regular" cucumbers and processed in a hot water bath. Not crunchy, by any means, but not mushy, either, at all.

I let them ride through the weekend and will probably put them in pint-sized jars tonight, then into the refrigerator.
 
If you like them now, i would put them in the fridge. I usually ferment pickles about a week. I've tried 5-10 days with varying amounts of salt, but 7 days seems to work well. If they ferment too far they will get mushy.
 
After 12 days of fermenting, I checked on my pickles Tuesday night, 6 February. The temperatures can be a bit cooler in our house, so I figured that the extra time (compared to 5 - 7 days recommended) wouldn't hurt.

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The pickles looked to be on schedule, as much as I can tell with my limited experience; it seemed to me that the initial fermentation was complete.

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and they tasted good. The flavours were all present, with strong garlic and subtle dill that made itself known without taking over. The "crunchiness" was far better than I expected, but by no means awesome. They were, however, quite acceptable in my opinion; no worse than any other home-made pickles, with a much better and more authentic flavor than store-bought pickles.

There was some of the fermentation "tang" in the flavor, but not too much. It seemed to me that this is something that needed to develop, a hypothesis that was supported by the mottled appearance of the pickle chips. The photo shown here confirmed that there is plenty of "development" that still needs to be done:

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Photo Credit: http://www.pickl-it.com/images/490.jpg

I put the pickles into jars and into the back of the refrigerator; I'll check them again in a few weeks, and see what I end up with.

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I suspect that the flavours will develop and deepen, and that I'll be pretty happy with the results.

More later!

Ron
 
An update on these -

They remain quite good, and in fact have improved as they "mature" in the refrigerator. The lacto-fermented flavor is predominate, along with the garlic; in fact, I've decided I probably used a little too much garlic, which is a thing I never thought I would say. The pickles have a real "raw" garlic aspect to them that isn't bad, but it does take over a little.

It seems as though I could have used a bit more salt, and definitely would have benefitted from more dill. I'll keep better track of this, next time.

The pickles remain pretty darn crisp and "crunchy" - I've decided that there are no worries in that department.

I'll make these again, either in chips again or as spears - or something. I'm not a fan of the tiny "gherkin" cucumbers, but in all honesty they might be perfect for this. Whatever cucumbers I use, I'll incorporate the tweaks mentioned above, and see what I end up with.

In the meantime, this is worth trying, for sure - if you are on the fence about giving it a go, my suggestion is to just jump right in.

Ron
 
Important note:

In my opening post, I wrote this:

Next, I dissolved 2 tablespoons of kosher salt into two quarts of warm water:

This is incorrect; it should read:

Next, I dissolved 2 tablespoons of kosher salt into 1 quart of warm water:

I have asked the moderators to edit the opening post, in order to reflect this.

Ron
 
They actually worked out really well - I was surprised that they were as crunchy as they were, and the flavor/texture was fine, as well.

Another note - Last night, I did add a (generous) pinch of kosher salt to the jar of pickles I was sampling, and this, to me, brought everything together really well, with almost just the right balance that I had been expecting from the beginning. The garlic seemed to be put in its place, and while it was still lacking the amount of dill I would prefer, the "brine" and the pickles themselves were absolutely scrumptious.
 
One thing I do is add some calcium chloride (pickle crisp) to my lacto fermented cucumbers to keep them crispy and that works well.

My brine gets sort of clear but milky looking when my pickles are ready, with a tiny bit of sediment on the bottom, but yours looks totally clear. Still, they were tart/sour enough?
 
Hi, Yooper - and thanks for the assistance with the opening post.

I let these ferment almost 2 weeks, and I think my temperatures might have been a bit on the cool side. What I think happened was that the cooler temperatures slowed the process down. When I took those photos, there was just a bit of the milky-white liquid, but not much at all, and the pickles - to me - seemed to be only just starting to do what I expected.

Since putting them in the refrigerator, they have "matured" quite a bit, and the brine is all looking as I would expect, with more of the milky-whiteness.

I really, REALLY loved the sauerkraut, and these were almost as good - will definitely be doing it again!
 
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