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Looks like he's a bit short:

$5,434 pledged of $44,995 goal
4 days to go

Wonder what happens to the money if this flops?

Like all kickstarter campaigns that are not funded, money is refunded to all contributors.

Funding on Kickstarter is all-or-nothing. No one will be charged for a pledge towards a project unless it reaches its funding goal. This way, creators always have the budget they scoped out before moving forward.

He can relaunch with a lower goal, but based on the current amount funded, he would have to knock off a good $35 to $40k to ensure he met his goal.
 
Why would anyone buy a kit from the recipes in the first place? That's what I don't understand.

The ingredients are listed. A guy or gal could just email or print out a recipe and give it to the LHBS and get the 'kit.' Or just order online from my LHBS like I do and get it shipped.

I just don't get it. It's not like it's much work to copy and paste.

Northern Brewer lists all their recipes on line.... they still sell a ton of kits. In fact, that is one of the reasons I bought kits from NB when I was in the "kit buying" stage of my brewing.

I think one thing in regard to "just print the recipe off and take it to your LHBS" is this - A LOT of LHBS's do not always have everything on hand..... you go in with a recipe and the owner says: "I don't have that yeast, but you can use this one." "This base grain will work just as well." "These hops are pretty close." ..... By the time someone walks out the door, they have a different beer than the recipe they brought in.

Not sure if this thing will go anywhere, seems like a lot of potential issues that could spring up. But, I don't see anything "wrong" with it. Considering they could have done the EXACT same thing, and not offered to give anyone a dime for any recipe......... in case this looks familiar to anyone:
http://www.northernbrewer.com/documentation/allgrain/AG-OfftheTopper.pdf
 
Why would anyone buy a kit from the recipes in the first place? That's what I don't understand.

The ingredients are listed. A guy or gal could just email or print out a recipe and give it to the LHBS and get the 'kit.' Or just order online from my LHBS like I do and get it shipped.

I just don't get it. It's not like it's much work to copy and paste.


Northern Brewer lists all their recipes on line.... they still sell a ton of kits. In fact, that is one of the reasons I bought kits from NB when I was in the "kit buying" stage of my brewing.

I think one thing in regard to "just print the recipe off and take it to your LHBS" is this - A LOT of LHBS's do not always have everything on hand..... you go in with a recipe and the owner says: "I don't have that yeast, but you can use this one." "This base grain will work just as well." "These hops are pretty close." ..... By the time someone walks out the door, they have a different beer than the recipe they brought in.

Not sure if this thing will go anywhere, seems like a lot of potential issues that could spring up. But, I don't see anything "wrong" with it. Considering they could have done the EXACT same thing, and not offered to give anyone a dime for any recipe......... in case this looks familiar to anyone:
http://www.northernbrewer.com/documentation/allgrain/AG-OfftheTopper.pdf

My first 2 batches I bought kits from either brewers best or a recipe my LHBS had online.
I simply did not know how else to start.
Last week I took all the ingredients from brewers best pale ale kit, and bought them separately from my LHBS, I intend to make the recipe, but add some of my own tweeks.
I have an issue with someone taking a known, published recipe and adding 1 ingredient or step, calling it their own and getting all the glory for it. Moreso if they make money off of it. in fact I got into a bit of a dust up on another forum for calling someone out for just such a thing! it is just berry wine, they have been making it for thousands of years, dont flatter yourself!!!!!
If I make a skunky lager that tastes like Bud, I call it a lager, not my own "pyg's skunky lager"!
Most recipes all have similar stuff, malts, grains, sugars, hops, yeast.

Anyway I can understand people needing to buy kits, since not every one is as lucky as many of us and have numerous LHBS within 20-30 min drive.
But this kickstarter seems to be someone who is just trying to make some money in a different way off the hobby!
 
I'm not as focused on the right or wrong of the kits and such. Why doesn't he just focus on growing the business he has now? That is what I didn't really get. He's asking for a lot of money, more than what seems necessary for this considering his existing business. Unless his existing business is doing something more like a drop ship and he has no warehouse or any control over the quality of the ingredients and such.
 
I'm not as focused on the right or wrong of the kits and such. Why doesn't he just focus on growing the business he has now? That is what I didn't really get. He's asking for a lot of money, more than what seems necessary for this considering his existing business. Unless his existing business is doing something more like a drop ship and he has no warehouse or any control over the quality of the ingredients and such.

I certainly would not give him money to get a business idea started if he's willing to put an entire business on hold to to do it. How do i know that six months from now he isn't going to get another marginally better idea and "press pause" on kitlab for two months to pursue that one?
 
I certainly would not give him money to get a business idea started if he's willing to put an entire business on hold to to do it. How do i know that six months from now he isn't going to get another marginally better idea and "press pause" on kitlab for two months to pursue that one?

How can you know that about any crowdfund/kickstart idea?

What if kitlab is meant to be fork off of betterbeerkits, where bbk is the materials side and KL is the fulfilment side?

What if he does get funded, works it for 6 months and decides to scrap it all because it's too labor intensive?

You can't know. It's all a leap of faith even IF you do fully support the idea.
 
I like the idea of a recipe uploader bot.
Give it some parameters and it will generate thousands of permutations by varying the grain bill and hops slightly.
Upload 200 recipes each for Porters, Stout, IPA, etc, say 10 types.
Claim each won has won a gold medal at the club level or higher.
 
damnit guys! (and possibly ladies)... i'm normaly super skeptical. the one time i was a little bit optimistic about something and you all go and ruin it. there goes my trust in the entire human race once again...

Kickstarter is a lot like the HomeBrewTalk version of Roman fighting pits. Even if you like the fighter you're still there to see a little bloodshed and at a certain point you don't care whose it is.
 

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