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If that is the Atrial release, Cant wait to see what happens at the coolship beer release...

Ya as much as I hate potentially missing out on Atrial and any coolship release they really need to do a lottery for those (on site only to register for lottery?). After travelling to various hyped breweries i can confidently say that the experience at Jester King is second to none and that's really what they should highlight. Just one man's opinion but I hope it's the route they take...

ElkSherpa jeffstuffingsjk
 
Heading to Austin/JK for first time next Saturday. Do you guys know if Cloudfeeder bottles will still be available? Any other tips for JK/Austin?
 
Heading to Austin/JK for first time next Saturday. Do you guys know if Cloudfeeder bottles will still be available? Any other tips for JK/Austin?
When there's no fruit in the bottle, you're pretty much good to go for at least a couple weekends.

Go to Pieous and get pastrami. Also get pizza.
 
If I am not mistaken even the Friday release of Atrial last year was nuts. I was there and the line was huge the whole night. I loved the MvB and CdT style release the most, hope they consider it for the coolship blends.
I went friday and saturday for the last release. Friday I drank 4 or 5 glasses of Atrial and waited 2 minutes to buy a bottle. Saturday was nuts.

Im sure the experience varied depending on when you got there.
 
while i know this del rey is not the fantome version, im gonna treat it like a tome and sit on it for 1yr+ before poppin dat cork.
 
while i know this del rey is not the fantome version, im gonna treat it like a tome and sit on it for 1yr+ before poppin dat cork.

They had shelf space for del rey at smith st specs when I swung in yesterday, but it was empty. I had a sad.
 
Brandon has plenty.

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Fantôme Del Rey "Ropiness"

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Earlier this week here at the brewery, I noticed that our recently released Fantôme Del Rey had become “ropy”. When I tasted it, the mouthfeel and texture had a slickness to it, and the beer poured into my glass with some viscosity. I was happy with the aroma and flavor, but the texture definitely left something to be desired.


As a result, we’re going to put sales of Fantôme Del Rey on hiatus. Our hope is that the Brettanomyces yeast contained in our mixed culture will resolve the issue over time. The slickness in the mouthfeel is most likely attributable to the lactic acid producing bacteria Pediococcus. According to the Milk the Funk Wiki (one of my favorite websites), Pediococcus may cause ropiness due to the production of exopolysaccharides, which mostly effect mouthfeel and appearance. Brettanomyces has the ability to break down exopolysaccharides over time.


It’s hard to know how long Brettanomyces may take to hopefully resolve the issue. I think it’s safe to assume we’re looking at months, not weeks. My hope is that in three or four months, the ropiness will have dissipated. But there’s no certainty to this. Only time will tell. If you have purchased Fantôme Del Rey, my recommendation is to age the bottle(s), preferably on its side in a warm spot, for at least three months. We’ll be opening bottles in-house and will provide updates on how the beer is progressing. If you find this impractical and/or undesirable, no problem at all. Please e-mail me directly at [email protected], and I will make things right for you.


How Fantôme Del Rey ended up becoming ropy is a bit of a mystery to us. The beer went through a number of iterations on its journey to blending and bottling, and our mixed culture was given a number of opportunities to express itself. Old, barrel-aged beer brewed in August of 2014 with dark candi syrup, ground coriander, and black peppercorn, and fermented with truffle honey, was blended with young beer and bottle conditioned. Like all our beer (aside from our spontaneous fermentations), it was fermented with our mixed culture, which contains dozens of native microorganisms, many of which we don’t even know what they are. Mixed culture fermentation is always a roll of the dice. The results can be absolutely beautiful at times, but we also routinely taste beer we’re unhappy with, which we further age or discard. The fermentation is outside our direct control, and we merely create an environment for the microorganisms to express themselves in unique ways. In this case unfortunately, a fermentation issue became apparent after we had already released the beer.


I apologize that one of our beers isn’t presenting the way we want it to. While off-flavors and flaws in beer can be subjective (for instance, we enjoy the lightstruck character in beer we get from packaging in green bottles), I find ropiness to be a distraction and impediment to enjoying beer. In the end, our goal is to make beer that’s drinkable and enjoyable. Unfortunately, I think the ropiness currently found in Fantôme Del Rey causes it to dip below this standard, which is why we won’t be selling any more of the batch for the time being.

— Jeffrey Stuffings, Founder
 
did you guys culture the yeast from the fantome release and blend it with your house strain for this specific beer?
if so...should we expect the sick phase from the pedio...because das dat tome life?
jeffstuffingsjk ElkSherpa
We just used our mixed culture, which by the way, contains Fantome dregs among many other things. But those dregs were added about three years ago and we've obviously made many beers since then without ever having any ropiness.
 
Fantôme Del Rey "Ropiness"

1254.jpg



Earlier this week here at the brewery, I noticed that our recently released Fantôme Del Rey had become “ropy”. When I tasted it, the mouthfeel and texture had a slickness to it, and the beer poured into my glass with some viscosity. I was happy with the aroma and flavor, but the texture definitely left something to be desired.


As a result, we’re going to put sales of Fantôme Del Rey on hiatus. Our hope is that the Brettanomyces yeast contained in our mixed culture will resolve the issue over time. The slickness in the mouthfeel is most likely attributable to the lactic acid producing bacteria Pediococcus. According to the Milk the Funk Wiki (one of my favorite websites), Pediococcus may cause ropiness due to the production of exopolysaccharides, which mostly effect mouthfeel and appearance. Brettanomyces has the ability to break down exopolysaccharides over time.


It’s hard to know how long Brettanomyces may take to hopefully resolve the issue. I think it’s safe to assume we’re looking at months, not weeks. My hope is that in three or four months, the ropiness will have dissipated. But there’s no certainty to this. Only time will tell. If you have purchased Fantôme Del Rey, my recommendation is to age the bottle(s), preferably on its side in a warm spot, for at least three months. We’ll be opening bottles in-house and will provide updates on how the beer is progressing. If you find this impractical and/or undesirable, no problem at all.Please e-mail me directly at [email protected], and I will make things right for you.


How Fantôme Del Rey ended up becoming ropy is a bit of a mystery to us. The beer went through a number of iterations on its journey to blending and bottling, and our mixed culture was given a number of opportunities to express itself. Old, barrel-aged beer brewed in August of 2014 with dark candi syrup, ground coriander, and black peppercorn, and fermented with truffle honey, was blended with young beer and bottle conditioned. Like all our beer (aside from our spontaneous fermentations), it was fermented with our mixed culture, which contains dozens of native microorganisms, many of which we don’t even know what they are. Mixed culture fermentation is always a roll of the dice. The results can be absolutely beautiful at times, but we also routinely taste beer we’re unhappy with, which we further age or discard. The fermentation is outside our direct control, and we merely create an environment for the microorganisms to express themselves in unique ways. In this case unfortunately, a fermentation issue became apparent after we had already released the beer.


I apologize that one of our beers isn’t presenting the way we want it to. While off-flavors and flaws in beer can be subjective (for instance, we enjoy the lightstruck character in beer we get from packaging in green bottles), I find ropiness to be a distraction and impediment to enjoying beer. In the end, our goal is to make beer that’s drinkable and enjoyable. Unfortunately, I think the ropiness currently found in Fantôme Del Rey causes it to dip below this standard, which is why we won’t be selling any more of the batch for the time being.

— Jeffrey Stuffings, Founder

It's ok to blame it on Dany and the Fantôme name. /s


Classy as always. I'll definitely be holding onto all of the bottles I purchased to wait it out. I really enjoyed the beer out at your property the past two weekends.
 
We just used our mixed culture, which by the way, contains Fantome dregs among many other things. But those dregs were added about three years ago and we've obviously made many beers since then without ever having any ropiness.

interdasting. gotta love the world of bugs.
on that note...im gonna purchase several more bottles.
i have faith in the british brewer's fungus.
 
looks like JK is pulling Fantome del Rey for the time being:

http://jesterkingbrewery.com/fantome-del-rey-ropiness
Did they straight up use Fantome yeast/bugs?

Im literally gonna buy more now because apparently this beer is such a perfect Fantome clone that it's gone sick, lol. Give it 6 months in the cellar and it will be fine...

If you want to know what this looks like, here's a video I made a few years back with loveable beer ******* John Rubio. Fantome Hiver pedio infection:

 
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