Thanks Yooper! And I've come across these recipes a few times. I think I will try one of the two. As far as the grapes, I will weigh them when I get home from work and let ya know. One more thing while I got you.. I have 5 gallons of apple wine I think I may have really messed up with. Its cleared stabilized, and aging in my glass carboy. It was a cider yeast, and seemed to ferment VERY slowly. It started super sweet.and was stabilized super sweet. The thing is is it was as country as it gets! Just sugar water chopped up apples amd yeast. Its so ligjt bodied I doubt any apple flavor is there. Should I bottle anyway? What would you do?