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The IPA part is about the bitterness and the hoppiness. I would not call it a "hoppy red ale" if it is on the scale of an IPA as far as bitterness.

I am also not one who is a stickler for correctness. I have not problem with calling it a Red IPA or Black IPA. But then again pale?????

Any ideas of changing the P in IPA to some word other than pale to fit dark, bitter, hoppy ales? India Pungent Ale doesn't sound right! ;)
I like India Pungent Ale!

But seriously, what about India Red Ale? Similar enough to India Pale Ale that you'll get the idea that it's probably high ABV and very hoppy, but also an accurate term. If you recall, Dogfish Head had (still has?) an India Brown Ale. They did the right thing.

I get what you're saying about saying Red IPA vs. Red India Pale Ale, but since IPA is an initialism, and not a word unto itself, you can't escape the presence of the word "pale" right there in the name.
 
If you think its got a good bracing bitterness, appropriate for an IPA, it could be entered in a BJCP competition as a Red IPA. Take a look at the BJCP style guidelines here https://bjcp.org/docs/2015_Guidelines_Beer.pdf

Its under Style 21B Specialty IPA. Here's the summary:

Specialty IPA: Red IPA
Overall Impression: Hoppy, bitter, and moderately strong like an American IPA, but with some caramel, toffee, and/or dark fruit malt character. Retaining the dryish finish and lean body that makes IPAs so drinkable, a Red IPA is a little more flavorful and malty than an American IPA without being sweet or heavy.
 
It was a style that started out when India was a colony of England. They used a lot of hops as preservatives so that the beer would last the trip on sailing ships.

When I first started brewing in the 90(s) I believed that. Now, beer historians have pretty much debunked that as a marketing ploy.

For example: Posted: 2 August 2018. Original content [emoji767] Craig Hill 2018.:

“Supposedly strong, bitter ales of the type that would be called "India Pale Ale" were not new in the late eighteenth and nineteenth century Britain. And, what's more, according to the data provided especially by Ron Pattinson and Mitch Steele, the characteristics (OG, FG, Apparent Attenuation, ABV and Est IBU) of nineteenth century IPAs exhibit high variability and fall within the range of "Pale ales" or similar (such as October beer, Stock beer, Bitter Ale, Mild Ale, and Strong Ale) including those that were brewed for local consumption rather than export and were not called India Pale Ale. India Pale Ale did not represent a well-defined "style", let alone a beer designed specifically to survive the journey to India and then to appeal to British palates. Which isn't to deny that "India Pale Ale" existed or that, in general, IPAs tended to be stronger and hoppier/bitter (relatively high ABVs and IBUs) than other contemporary non-Indian pale ales as Pete Brown has argued, it's just that the India(n) prefix was more likely to have been about marketing in an increasingly competitive environment than the beer itself*.

It's not completely surprising therefore that, as the Foods of England Project and Martyn Cornell's research has shown, the first recorded use of the term "India Pale Ale" was not in the manifests of East India Company clippers nor in the Calcutta Gazette as we might expect, but in a newspaper advertisement in the Sydney Gazette and New South Wales Advertiser for 27 August 1829.

*[Apologies for the footnote] Although there is absolutely no evidence for this that I can find, it's possible that the "India" in "IPA" might have come from the late Georgian and Victorian British obsession with India and things Raj-ian, from architecture to literature, textiles and wallpaper and to food and drink. Otherwise, why not just "Export" Pale Ale or "British Imperial" Pale Ale. At the same time as the English apparently discovered IPA, they also discovered curry: the first curry recipe was published in 1747; the first advertisement for curry powder appeared in 1784 and in 1810 Sake Dean Mahomed opened the first Indian restaurant in Britain. So it's tempting to suggest that this was the beginning of that great British culinary tradition, beer and curry... but that's probably a bit too much to digest. Nevertheless, "India" might well have been prefixed to "Pale Ale" just because exotic India was fashionable.

Or maybe it has something to do with advantageous taxing of goods being exported to the Jewel in the Imperial Crown...? Might be worth checking out]”
 
Hop schedule:
40g at start of boil (60 minute boil)
10g 45 minutes
50g whirlpool

I've added 40g in addition to the above recipe additions, after a week in the fermenter. I also bottled a couple of litres so I can compare to how it turns out before & after the dry hopping.

If AA (alpha acids) of the 60 and 45 minute hops are greater than 7%, then IBUs are greater than 40 and you have a Red IPA. If less than 7%, you have an Amber Ale of the Red variety. The other hops do not affect the IBUs of the beer.
 
I like to try to shoot for 165*F +/-5*F for a 20 min whirlpool as a compromise then quickly cool to pitch temp.
 
I like to try to shoot for 165*F +/-5*F for a 20 min whirlpool as a compromise then quickly cool to pitch temp.

If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 mph...

Er... I mean...

If my theory is correct, with a warm whirlpool like that, you get the same IBUs as if you'd boiled for about half the time. So, you'll still get IBUs as if you'd boiled somewhere around 5-10 minutes for a 20-minute whirlpool.

https://live.staticflickr.com/7891/45991029004_df99d89bc1_o.png
 
It is clear in most everything published, as well as beer lore, that bitterness extraction (of acids) requires the turbulence that is part and parcel of the boiling operation. Once the boil ceases, so does bitterness extraction. I would be happy to take credit for this brilliant finding, but unfortunately, the internet has ruined any opportunity I might have had to take credit for and to patent it.
 
If AA (alpha acids) of the 60 and 45 minute hops are greater than 7%, then IBUs are greater than 40 and you have a Red IPA. If less than 7%, you have an Amber Ale of the Red variety. The other hops do not affect the IBUs of the beer.
Centennial hops, AA 9.5-11.5%
The extra hops I used for dry hopping were 20g more of this, plus 20g Mosaic AA 10.8%.

From sampling I think IBU is fine, but I did expect/want a little more hoppy aroma, hence thought why not try dry hopping. I've bottled 2 litres before adding just to compare before/after.

I am thinking I should have waited just a little before adding the whirlpool hops, rather than right at boil end, but something I can play with across brews.
 
Chemistry don't care whether there's steam bubbles pushing it around or not.

are you sure? heat is a required element in a lot of reactions.....(and so is cold)

edit: and why do some many people here own stir plates?
 
are you sure? heat is a required element in a lot of reactions.....(and so is cold)

edit: and why do some many people here own stir plates?

I think you misunderstood. Heat is indeed the main driver, correct. My point was that the stirring action from the boil is not as essential as the temperature itself.

Stir plates are dumb. Why indeed.

Centennial hops, AA 9.5-11.5%

Congratulations. You hit the 90-100 IBU ceiling almost right on the dot. With a month or two age this may fall to 50-60 IBUs.
 
You can tell all your friends you brewed an American Red IPA with an IBU of about 60. Dry hop to your heart's content and you have still brewed an American Red IPA. Centennial is a great hop and it will be a very nice beer with a strong caramel flavor due to 3# of of caramel malts, but nicely offset by bitterness of Centennial hops. I'd join you in BA to celebrate your first brew, but you are 12,000 miles away. Drink within a month or two after bottling for best results.
 
You can tell all your friends you brewed an American Red IPA with an IBU of about 60. Dry hop to your heart's content and you have still brewed an American Red IPA. Centennial is a great hop and it will be a very nice beer with a strong caramel flavor due to 3# of of caramel malts, but nicely offset by bitterness of Centennial hops. I'd join you in BA to celebrate your first brew, but you are 12,000 miles away. Drink within a month or two after bottling for best results.

Cheers to that.
 
I'd join you in BA to celebrate your first brew, but you are 12,000 miles away. Drink within a month or two after bottling for best results.
Third brew ;)
...though the first that seems to be going as the recipe intended (once I worked out the colour matched the grains used).
 
I think it's rather obvious. IBA - Indian black ale for the dark one and for this one maybe IAA or IRA if the ibus are there, otherwise, American amber ale. I also just brewed one, it is deeeeeeeeelicious! Columbus only! Only late additions, it's brilliant.
 
Before I "discovered" sours and NEIPAs in a visit to Maine last year, red ales of various styles were my "go to" beer, but now I do prefer a little more flavour impact so had been aiming for an IPA, but must have read the recipe wrong or similar... either way, if it's a good beer it will get drunk, and it if the first time (third attempt) I hit both my target OG and volume, so all good!!

And next week I try my first sour home brew!
 
it looks a bit dark, but it looks good!

I do like IPA's with a little bit of maltiness (sort of like deschutes fresh squeeze)
 
Before I "discovered" sours and NEIPAs in a visit to Maine last year, red ales of various styles were my "go to" beer, but now I do prefer a little more flavour impact so had been aiming for an IPA, but must have read the recipe wrong or similar... either way, if it's a good beer it will get drunk, and it if the first time (third attempt) I hit both my target OG and volume, so all good!!

And next week I try my first sour home brew!

Nice man. Check out my thread making a sour . I went with co pitch post sour per RPH Guy . Less chances of contamination or infections. Easier imo .
 
Nice man. Check out my thread making a sour . I went with co pitch post sour per RPH Guy . Less chances of contamination or infections. Easier imo .
Will do. That's what I'll be trying, co-pitching, advice from the same guy :)
 
Hey guys!

I've brewed an IPA, almost ready to bottle but wondering if it looks a little darker than expected, and if so why that might be (image below).

The grains:
5kg Pilsen
400g Viking Caramel 400
600g Viking Caramel 100

It has a slighty toasted flavour to it.

I have yet to add the gelatin, but that will just clear it a little not lighten it, correct?

And second question: Hoppiness is a little low (IBU seems fine), I think I added in my whirlpool hops a little early, so am thinking of dry hopping to add a little. Not part of initial recipe, but would it help add a little hopiness without any issues likely?

ipa-dark.jpg

Maybe I missed these quickly skimming through the thread. But if you think it's too dark... it's to dark. What was your objective? Were you wanting a lighter color beer? If so, then yes it's too dark. If you were just brewing to see what would happen then you learned. Which is great!

Maillard-reactions products (eg. your caramel grain) are the major source of color for beer but other sources have a significant impact. The oxidation of polyphenols is probably the second most significant source of color formation of beer. Polyphenols are sometimes referred to as tannins and may be derived from the malt husk and from the hops. They are multi ringed structures that can react with oxygen and contribute to a red-brown color in beer. If you build hops in water by itself, you can see this effect.
Unfortunately, malt color doesn't correlate with the actual color of the finished beer. There are a ton of factors to consider. The type of water used, pH. etc.

Some things you could do to reduce the color next time.
1.Increase adjunct usage.
2. Lower mash pH.
3. Reduce mash time.
4. Reduce Aeration of mash.
5. Shorter boil time.
6. Gentler boil time.
7. Rapid chilling of wort.
8. The correct yeast pitch count.

Hope this helps!
Cheers!
 
Oh, gawd, yes! That is way too dark! Are you sure it's not a RIS?
I'm just joking around.
 
Maybe I missed these quickly skimming through the thread. But if you think it's too dark... it's to dark. What was your objective? Were you wanting a lighter color beer? If so, then yes it's too dark. If you were just brewing to see what would happen then you learned. Which is great!
It was a packaged recipe, I thought for an IPA, but on comments (and further research of the grains) it would appear I was sold a Red IPA or similar instead.
 
Bottled half today after dry hopping for 5 days, other half into secondary fermenter with 1kg of canned pineapple (pure, no water or sugar additives) for further experimenting.
 
I was wondering if it might have been a kit. Was it extract by chance or was it all grain? Extract is by default a little darker and the longer it sits, the darker it gets. Either way, you got beer coming. Sound like it will be good!

Cheers!
 
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