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What is SODA ASH?
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Is PBW the same as Oxyclean
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rico567
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thanks
Clonefarmer
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I use the Sun brand Oxy cleaner. I think it works great and rinses easily. I do have really soft water though (about 35 TDS). The main reason I use the generic brand is the price difference. PBW is about 6 dollars more per pound than the Sun brand.
That's what I've heard....
https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f11/home-made-pbw-safe-glass-safe-general-182939/
BBL_Brewer
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That's what I've heard....
https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f11/home-made-pbw-safe-glass-safe-general-182939/
Cool. I hadn't seen this before. Thanks for the link.
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Did his name not give it away to you? I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm just saying that it is obviously a comment from someone at Five Star, the makers of StarSan and PBW, and it should be no surprise nor should it detract from their reputation that they are active on brewing forums to answer the questions of the users and potential users of their products. Oxyclean can't claim that.
payton34
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generic oxyclean called sun oxygen cleaner. 6 pound tub for the same price as a small box of the name brand stuff. find a dollar store and look in the laundry soap section
peterlonz
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Since bleach is so cheap you should at lease consider trying it.
Bought by the 5 litres minimum from a swimming pool supply shop at around 1$ per litre. Or smaller quantity as household bleach from a supermarket.
With old bottles where there is often dried on crud you will definitely need to soak.
Getting the visible obvious crud off is by far the hardest part.
My personal solution:
1) Do an initial 2 hour full bottle soak in warm water. Then discard the contents.
2) Now add about 1 litre of hot water ( best at about 75- 80 Deg C) with dishwash detergent (enough for a decent foam) PLUS half a handful of fine gravel.
3) Swirl this around vigorously so that the gravel gets to dislodge the crud by abrasion. Sometimes necessary to set aside & allow a further 15 minute soak before repeating. ( Don't let the gravel down your sink waste).
4) Empty the dirty contents, you can wash the fine gravel for reuse or just get another half handful. At this stage we are still concentrating on removing the hard to get off crud.
5) Now visually check you bottles, a rinse out with cold water might be needed to clean out the odd bit of residual crud or gravel particle.
6) You should now have bottles fit for a final sanitisation by whatever is your preferred means, but that's where I use strong bleach. Just be dead sure to rinse out thoroughly & stand the bottles upside down to dry. Getting them dry is important.
Safety tip: BE WARNED bleach is aggressive it is important to take care. I strip down to my underpants, wear a plastic apron & safety specs. If the occasional spot of bleach is splashed on my skin I take care to immediately thoroughly wash off. If it gets on cotton shirts they will be holed!
7) You can now store your bottles for up to 4 to 6 weeks without any need to further sanitise, just bottle directly into your newly
added bottles. When storing it's common sense to keep the bottles upside down, standing on a laundered old towel, or clean paper or equivalent. You want to be sure insects can't access. ( I once found 60 bottles infested with black ants they took over in just 2 or 3 days).
Hope that helps, it works for me, but only suitable obviously for glass bottles.
Bought by the 5 litres minimum from a swimming pool supply shop at around 1$ per litre. Or smaller quantity as household bleach from a supermarket.
With old bottles where there is often dried on crud you will definitely need to soak.
Getting the visible obvious crud off is by far the hardest part.
My personal solution:
1) Do an initial 2 hour full bottle soak in warm water. Then discard the contents.
2) Now add about 1 litre of hot water ( best at about 75- 80 Deg C) with dishwash detergent (enough for a decent foam) PLUS half a handful of fine gravel.
3) Swirl this around vigorously so that the gravel gets to dislodge the crud by abrasion. Sometimes necessary to set aside & allow a further 15 minute soak before repeating. ( Don't let the gravel down your sink waste).
4) Empty the dirty contents, you can wash the fine gravel for reuse or just get another half handful. At this stage we are still concentrating on removing the hard to get off crud.
5) Now visually check you bottles, a rinse out with cold water might be needed to clean out the odd bit of residual crud or gravel particle.
6) You should now have bottles fit for a final sanitisation by whatever is your preferred means, but that's where I use strong bleach. Just be dead sure to rinse out thoroughly & stand the bottles upside down to dry. Getting them dry is important.
Safety tip: BE WARNED bleach is aggressive it is important to take care. I strip down to my underpants, wear a plastic apron & safety specs. If the occasional spot of bleach is splashed on my skin I take care to immediately thoroughly wash off. If it gets on cotton shirts they will be holed!
7) You can now store your bottles for up to 4 to 6 weeks without any need to further sanitise, just bottle directly into your newly
added bottles. When storing it's common sense to keep the bottles upside down, standing on a laundered old towel, or clean paper or equivalent. You want to be sure insects can't access. ( I once found 60 bottles infested with black ants they took over in just 2 or 3 days).
Hope that helps, it works for me, but only suitable obviously for glass bottles.
BrewManChu
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I use Bar Keepers Friend for my stainless steel kettle. Obviously not going to work on the inside of bottles though. Its more of a rubbing cleaner than a soaking cleaner but it will take anything off. Even rust and discoloration from heat. It is also very cheap and can be used were PBW is not needed so you can save the expensive stuff.
PBW is an oxygenated cleaner just like oxiclean the difference is that it has other chemicals in the composition that allow it to clean better. Also it has anti corrosion chemicals in it that is why it doesn't attack the oxide layer of your aluminum pot. And yes it is fine for plastic.
