IPA recipe help

[wentsj28]

Hello everyone,

I'd like to make an IPA using these hop varieties:
Chinook
Warrior
Citra
Cascade
And Horizon

There's a brewery near where I live called Titletown Brewing Company (come to Green Bay, WI. Watch the Packer game. Drink their beer. You won't regret it.) and they have a beer called the Green 19. It's deliciously hoppy without being too bitter, and the aroma is amazing. The malt is sweet but also just enough to counteract the bitters. I asked the brewer what he was using as far as hops and this was the list he gave me.

Can anyone help me build an all-grain 5 gallon recipe that fits my description?

Thanks,

 

[flars]

No replies yet. I can give it a try. Warn you from the start that my experience working with that many hops is nil. I have some suggestions.

Start by labeling all of your game pieces.
1. AA%
2. Hop use. Bittering, flavor, aroma, or multiple use.
3. How do you perceive the bitterness of Green 19 compared to a known IPAs recipe IBUs? + or- would be the grams of bittering hops to to achieve this.
4. What aroma is first perceived in a glass of G19. Can you match it to a aroma hop in your list. Or could the aroma be a combination of hops. Are the hops in your known recipe measured in tenths of an ounce or more heavy handed measured by the half ounce.

Okay a general idea of how to decide which hop goes where and in what amount. Working with a spreadsheet might help because of the ease for manipulation of lines and cells.
Beersmith software would be a great help for balancing hop amounts and of course building your malts schedule.

This thread may give you some ideas also.
https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f39/testing-hops-479257/

Good luck with your project.

 

[wentsj28]

Didn't see your message in time. I went ahead and bought:

American Rahr (2 row) Pale: 11.50lbs
American Briess Crystal 20 1.00lbs
American Briess Light Munich 0.75lbs
American Briess Carapils 0.75lbs
American Briess Torrified Wheat0.25lbs

And am thinking of doing:
2oz - Warrior - 60min
1oz - Chinook - 60min
2oz - Citra - 30min
1oz - Cascade -30min
1oz - Citra - 5min
1oz - Cascade - 5min

What do you think about the hop schedule? Should I change it? I'm thinking of taking out an Oz of warrior

 

[thegreatmaibockaddict]

You will find that when there is a nice hop smoothness in a beer, it is likely that there are hops added to the mash in addition to other hops. I love mash hopping myself as I don't lose those hop characters from mash hopping to fermentation (and bottle conditioning). In addition to all your other hops, add a few ounces to the mash (don't count this against any of the other hops in the case of an IPA).

Hop oil charts are also a help when gaining maximum impact from the hops you use for flavor and aroma. I found this info and put it on my site (it would also apply to mash hopping)

http://www.thegreatmaibockaddict.com/hop-oil-chart.shtml

I have noticed that there are several IPA's on the market that do have mash hopping on their labels, so this is nothing really new, but it does indeed work to provide a nice smooth hop character in the beer.

 

[progmac]

Didn't see your message in time. I went ahead and bought:
2oz - Warrior - 60min
1oz - Chinook - 60min
2oz - Citra - 30min
1oz - Cascade -30min
1oz - Citra - 5min
1oz - Cascade - 5min

that is not a good hop schedule. way too bitter.
take a look at this schedule - https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f69/my-2-time-gold-winning-american-ipa-81478/

something like
2oz - Warrior - 30min
1oz - Chinook - 10min
2oz - Citra - 5min
1oz - Cascade - 0 min
1oz - Citra - dry
1oz - Cascade - dry

i think will make a better beer. maybe not that exactly, but something along those lines.

 

[wentsj28]

Why not a 60 minute boil? I never understood that?

 

[wentsj28]

Like, should I still boil 60 min, but just add at those times? Or should I just do a 30min boil total?

 

[julioardz]

I don't know the beer you're referencing and don't know your taste, but here's what I would do. I would do a 60 minute bittering addition to achieve the IBU's I was shooting for. My IPA grain bill is simple @ 96% pale ale malt, @ 4% Crystal 40, 60, or 90, depending on what I'm going for. I mash at @ 152F, boil for 60mins, then cool to @150F and steep hops for flavor. After fermentation, I dry hop with the aroma hops. When dry hopping, 1 ounce per gallon, or a little less, works best for me. So basically, I bitter the beer with the 60 min addition, steep post boil, and dry hop. The bulk of my hops go to dry hopping. That's the way I like my IPA's. It may work for you. It may not.

Edit: For me, an IPA is not about a high IBU, but about accentuating the the hop flavor and aroma. Most of my IPA's are 45-60 IBU's.

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[thegreatmaibockaddict]

The shorter your boil the less hop utilization thus the more hops are required and the more beer is lost to hop residue.

With an IPA clarity ain't going to happen unless you filter, but for all grain I do recommend a 90 minute boil (it will help a little with clarity). 60 minimum. And unless you know how to control and prevent a boil over, do a 15 minute pre-boil to get the wort settled in.

 

[wentsj28]

The shorter your boil the less hop utilization thus the more hops are required and the more beer is lost to hop residue.



With an IPA clarity ain't going to happen unless you filter, but for all grain I do recommend a 90 minute boil (it will help a little with clarity). 60 minimum. And unless you know how to control and prevent a boil over, do a 15 minute pre-boil to get the wort settled in.

Ok. So then:
90min boil with my bitters? Or just boil for 30 in?

 

[julioardz]

Also, with the hops you listed, I would use Warrior for the bittering. Everything else would go to flavor and aroma.


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[wentsj28]

So I went with
2oz 60 min Warrior 16% AA
1oz 45 min chinook 12% AA
2 oz Citra 30 min 12%
1 oz cascade 30 min 12%
1oz chinook 30min 12%
1oz Citra 5 min 12%
1 oz cascade 5 min 7.1

 

[wentsj28]

I'm worried that it's going to be too bitter, but well see how it goes

 

[wentsj28]

What do you guys think? I'm still trying to learn recipe building. Was the hop schedule ok? Or will this beer come out too bitter to enjoy?

 

[WayFrae]

To be honest, that hop schedule pains me. You have a calculated IBU of 227. That is going to be one bitter beer. I would have done something like this:

0.5 oz Warrior 60 min
0.5 oz Chinook 20 min
1 oz Cascade 15 min
0.5 oz Chinook 10 min
1 oz Citra 5 min
1 oz Cascade Flameout
1 oz Citra Flameout

This schedule uses almost all the same amount of hops just spaced differently, except I took out 1.5 oz of Warrior. This schedule will give about 93 IBU according to Brewer's Friend. I am still new to recipe building too but my greatest asset is brewing software. Just plug in your recipe and select the style and it will help you fine tune your recipe to be within style. 93 IBU is still out of style for an IPA but I figured you were going for a high IBU IPA.

 

[wentsj28]

Yikes. I was afraid of that. If I'm going to keep doing this I should probably get some of that software. I tasted the hydrometer sample, and although it was bitter, it wasn't severe. It should mellow out a bit. I did a couple of IPAs around 93 ibu before, and I wasn't wowed. We'll see what the final product looks like in a few weeks. I'll be sure to let everyone know!

 

[Upthewazzu]

So I went with
2oz 60 min Warrior 16% AA
1oz 45 min chinook 12% AA
2 oz Citra 30 min 12%
1 oz cascade 30 min 12%
1oz chinook 30min 12%
1oz Citra 5 min 12%
1 oz cascade 5 min 7.1

That's gonna be, uh, harsh.

An oz at 60, .5oz at 30 (optional), and the rest under 10 (plus flame out and dry hop) is what you should be aiming for.

As for your grain bill, I would have dumped the crystal and munich all together.

 

[wentsj28]

Yikes. I was afraid of that. If I'm going to keep doing this I should probably get some of that software. I tasted the hydrometer sample, and although it was bitter, it wasn't severe. It should mellow out a bit. I did a couple of IPAs around 93 ibu before, and I wasn't wowed. We'll see what the final product looks like in a few weeks. I'll be sure to let everyone know!

 

[WayFrae]

Here you go, its free. Might as well use it! Brewer's Friend Recipe Builder

IBU aren't really a measure of flavor. You could have a 93 IBU beer that has little hop flavor or a 93 IBU beer that has a punch you in the mouth kind of flavor. It all depends on how long you boil the hops.

30-60 min boil times are mostly only going to provide bitterness and not much flavor.
10-30 min for flavor
0-10 min for aroma

These numbers aren't guaranteed but they seem pretty accurate from what I have experienced so far in my short time of brewing.

 

[progmac]

for future reference, if the first hop addition is 30 min, you still boil for 60 mins; it just means that the first 30 mins of the boil are without hops.