IPA burnout

[Apimyces]

IPAs go from 5,1%-10,6% abv, 35-100+ IBUs, 0,70-1,00 BU:GU, as per the styles guide (American IPA, English IPA, Imperial IPA).

That's a whole lot to play around with. 90-100 IBU hop bombs are not obligatory to the style. There's no appreciating the hops when they are just packed with the cheapest alpha acid givers to destroy your taste buds with the first sip.

The mildest IIPA (65 IBU, 0,87 BU:GU) is probably about the limit of what I'd enjoy drinking on a more or less regular basis myself, though I'd rather 35-50 IBU. Ideally, with no Cascade, Citra, or Mosaic. Or anything else with "grapefruit" in the aromas.

 

[CavA3R4]

try a dog fish head 60 or 90 minute.
then if you like it, make a clone of it.

 

[Tommydee]

Wow I’m always surprised when the ipa hating thread turns up again. Get over it already.

I remember one of my earliest posts was that I didn't really like my first sample of a commercial NEIPA, and I inadvertently trolled an HBT battle!

Back to the OP, I get this all the time with hoppy beers, since my first Sierra Nevada almost 20 years ago. I love IPA's, but get tired of hops after a while, burnout, but then come back. I feel us homebrewers are the canaries in the coal mine...for those in the beer business, something to pay attention to...but as a homebrewer, this is the beauty of the hobby! it's time for you to take a journey down a rabbit hole of German lagers, Belgian ales, or other subset. Then, maybe late summer, brew a citrusy pale ale with those hops in the freezer.

 

[SEndorf]

I hate IPA beer.......
I'm German.....

I paraphrased your post to the pertinent points.... Nuff said.
I'm with ya brother. Although I do like a well balanced IPA, I'm partial to Vienna Lagers, Roggenbier, Bocks, doppels, and Hefewizens (affectionately called Heiffers on the Nebraska cattle ranch I grew up on).....Broken English was the second language on my farm.
Das IPA-Teichwasser schmeckt wie Hundescheiße !!

 

[SoCal-Doug]

Was there anything other than German's and *******'s in Nebraska back then?

Hundescheiße is that newfangled juicy stuff. Everything else is just łoś siki. But they all start with grün und schleimig teichwasser.

Niech żyje dobre piwo!

 

[SEndorf]

LOL.... No łoś siki as there were no moose there. But plenty of Opossum Eingeweide....
No Pollocks either, not that it would matter.... All displaced Germans off the boat...tired of the Kaiser....

Lang lebe ein gutes Bier

 

[MaryB]

I usually have an IPA on tap, but it is a "barely" IPA by towday's commercial standards of over the top 90++++IBU so bitter my cheeks touch inside my mouth crap passed off as an IPA. Around 40IBU, clean malt backbone, 5.5-6.5ABV... and refreshing to drink and a good pair with fatty pork dishes(yes I pair beers with foods!). Still working on my recipe so I won't post it but nothing complicated, 2 row, some victory, maybe a little crystal depending on what flavor profile I want... usually a single hop variety too. A well made simple beer beats a hop bomb gas taste IPA any day!

 

[Manfish]

I’m not all in with the juicy NEIPA style

The first few that I tried, I really enjoyed. I've even brewed one with just Galaxy and it was awesome. However, the more and more I try from different breweries the more and more I realize that it doesn't appear that these places care what it tastes like, as long as the cloudy look is there and they can get it out being called a NEIPA. I had one last night that tasted like a citrus kool-aid. It took me almost 30 minutes to finish that pint and I know I certainly wont be going back to them again... at least for a NEIPA.

 

[Nebraskan]

(affectionately called Heiffers on the Nebraska cattle ranch I grew up on).....Broken English was the second language on my farm.
Das IPA-Teichwasser schmeckt wie Hundescheiße !!

Regarding Das IPa-Teichwasser.... ROFLMAO Several Germans I met year ago in Scottsbluff, NE referred to "American" beer as Pferd pissen. Lots of Germans from Russia in Western Nebraska, Polish... yes(Podkonyak), and Italians.... Ardisono and Olivini (an others) come to mind, and then there's the Mikoloyck in my High School (pronounced Mick-O-Lotchick) of Czechoslovakia origins.

Might I say that water structure makes a lot of difference in the bitterness of hops, at least in the bitter end. One of the lessons I learned is not to make beer with water from a water softner. I got a batch that was not quite finish purging the salt from the whole system and ended up with an excess of sodium, that made a relatively low IBU beer really bitter in the after taste.

Would love to see more porters, stouts, German beers in the store lineup. Had to find a liquor store (South Haven, MI) that carries Hofbräu München Dunkel, a bit pricey at 10.00/6 pack, but a very nice Dunkel.

 

[SoCal-Doug]

referred to "American" beer as Pferd pissen

How degrading to the horses

It's amazes and saddens me that the older I get, the more I confirm that most American breweries are either in bandwagon mode or simply could never get it right (there are a few extremely rare exceptions). I was almost offended when I saw a tap placard that said "Bitterburger German style lager 90 IBU" It went on to talk about the wonderful flavor and aromas of Cascade hops. The saddest part is that the idiots that drank it, probably believed that's how German beers actually taste

Fair disclosure... They aren't all terrible. I did find a pub in Riverside, California that makes a really good classic Saison.

 

[applescrap]

....American beer as pferd pissen

How degrading to the horses

It's amazes and saddens me that the older I get, the more I confirm that most American breweries are either in bandwagon mode or simply could never get it right (there are a few extremely rare exceptions).

the idiots that drank it...

?

 

[SEndorf]

How degrading to the horses

The saddest part is that the idiots that drank it, probably believed that's how German beers actually taste

Marketing.....Marketing.,...Marketing.....
Everyone knows... Germans invented beer in the 13th century... OK...OK... That's not true... but whatever....
But it makes for a good story on the placards.....

 

[MapleGroveAleworks]

I was at a bar today that has 43 beers on tap. I got the draft list and counted 26 of them were IPA or something generally regarded as American hoppy. That's just pathetic and sad honestly. I like hoppy beers but I really wish more styles were in demand besides IPAs. It gets old quick.

 

[user 125772]

It's sort of human nature to grow tired of something after doing it 100 times .
Listen to Highway to hell 100 times?
Eat Fried chicken for dinner 100 times?
Smell Chanel#5 100 times?
Gaze at Pamela Anderson 100 times (ok, maybe that would be OK )

I don't have an IPA on tap at the moment, I sort wish I did, but it's sort of a summer style IMO and its all gone now. Having said that, i'm not a fan of the extreme end of the style.

 

[Apimyces]

Of the 26 I bet at least 25 included either Cascade, Citra, Mosaic, or Galaxy.

 

[Nebraskan]

NEIPA "Newest Excrement In Pale Ales" also known as near bear whiz.... a bear that ate a lot of oranges or other tropical fruit... LOL Seriously, years ago when I was in High School back in Oshkosh NE(circa 1970), my Uncle was trying to pawn off fruit flavored malt liquor (fad at the time) to my Aunt, who almost took the bait. It's not beer. It's just some fruit concoction that happens to have hops and grains in it. You can call it Granny's Peach Tea, for all I care, and we all know what that ended up being.

Forgive me, as I quaff down some more Munich Dunkel.

 

[eric19312]

Haters gonna hate.

Really though how many lagers do you need that ideal beer bar to stock? One perfect one with that perfect German “it” character should be sufficient...ok maybe a dark one too? Beer bars with locally decent number of taps I visited recently in Germany had about 6 beers on tap and similar number of bottles. Half the beers were imported ales. Seems like that bar that only dedicated half of 46 lines to beers other than hoppy ales probably had it about right.

 

[MaryB]

Dunno if it is in your area but August Schell's Brewery makes some okay beers... I grew up drinking the stuff so nothing special to me but they do a large variety of German style beer. Brewery was in New Ulm still so we got beer straight from them by the keg, and cases of "shorts"(bottles that are not quite full) that were unpasteurized and 1/2 price. Made for cheap parties as a teen!

http://schellsbrewery.com/our-beers/

Regarding Das IPa-Teichwasser.... ROFLMAO Several Germans I met year ago in Scottsbluff, NE referred to "American" beer as Pferd pissen. Lots of Germans from Russia in Western Nebraska, Polish... yes(Podkonyak), and Italians.... Ardisono and Olivini (an others) come to mind, and then there's the Mikoloyck in my High School (pronounced Mick-O-Lotchick) of Czechoslovakia origins.

Might I say that water structure makes a lot of difference in the bitterness of hops, at least in the bitter end. One of the lessons I learned is not to make beer with water from a water softner. I got a batch that was not quite finish purging the salt from the whole system and ended up with an excess of sodium, that made a relatively low IBU beer really bitter in the after taste.

Would love to see more porters, stouts, German beers in the store lineup. Had to find a liquor store (South Haven, MI) that carries Hofbräu München Dunkel, a bit pricey at 10.00/6 pack, but a very nice Dunkel.

 

[MapleGroveAleworks]

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Haters gonna hate.

Really though how many lagers do you need that ideal beer bar to stock? One perfect one with that perfect German “it” character should be sufficient...ok maybe a dark one too? Beer bars with locally decent number of taps I visited recently in Germany had about 6 beers on tap and similar number of bottles. Half the beers were imported ales. Seems like that bar that only dedicated half of 46 lines to beers other than hoppy ales probably had it about right.

Got it right for your tastes maybe, not mine. One perfect German lager, what? There's many different kinds that are completely different from each other. Much different than one IPA is compared to the next that's for sure. I don't understand why lagers get this boring all the same stigma, yet that same person will rave about the newest IPA that tastes exactly like the last 256 prior fruit citrus bombs that came out before it.

 

[SoCal-Doug]

NEIPA "Newest Excrement In Pale Ales"

The first time I saw a "Juicy IPA" I told my wife "That looks just like piss from an alfalfa fed horse!" Since we raise Belgian draft horses, she suggested I start bottling it and making some cash.

 

[Kent88]

I really never got on board the IPA train. I got into homebrewing because after I turned 21 I found that most beers (macro light beers) weren't too my liking. I wanted to try winemaking but I had a friend who brewed beer so I figured I would give it a whirl.

After I started getting into beer making I started trying different varieties of craft beers, and I clearly remember getting a flight in Milwaukee that included a hoppy pale ale and an IPA. Not to my liking.

Ever since I figured out what the deal was with pale ales and IPAs, I've brewed more beers that finish their hop additions before 15 minutes to go in the boil. I don't see myself dry-hopping without a drastic change in my tastes.

 

[mrbeachroach]

I agree, however..... you can use a dogfish head 90'minuite IPA to clean the pallet. I find the 90 is more balanced than the 60, and also likely the best IPA I've ever had. IMO Everything else is sub par to dogfish-heads take on them.

 

[CavA3R4]

I agree, however..... you can use a dogfish head 90'minuite IPA to clean the pallet. I find the 90 is more balanced than the 60, and also likely the best IPA I've ever had. IMO Everything else is sub par to dogfish-heads take on them.

I agree.
Dales pale ale isn't too bad either.
I once gave a homebrew to the company comedian and he said to me (jokingly thankfully) "Your horse has diabetes!"

 

[bobeer]

Possibly. But someday, breweries will need to make real beer also, instead of 90% of their taps being over-hopped to the point where any lack of brewing skills are hidden and undetectable The "Pet Rock" and the "Sham Wow" sold millions and are still available for purchase. They just aren't dominating the market any longer.

This is so true. So many ppl in my town worship breweries that only do 2 or 3 styles with 2 styles being NEIPAs and Imperial stouts. 2 styles that are easy to cover up. I guess its not a big deal in the long run but i do wish ppl would stfu about it already. Where indeed is the real beer?

 

[Black Island Brewer]

I enjoy the occasional IPA and NEIPA, but thankfully, since I brew, I get to enjoy any other styles as well. That said, I was in NYC last week (for the first time) and wanted to try as many local beers as I could (that are not nationally distributed). Every single IPA and DIPA was a NEIPA, and the other style offerings from these breweries were below average IMO. After my umpteenth IPA, I had to comment to the bartender that every single IPA I had tried in 10 days was a juicy, fruity, cloudy mess with low bitterness, and asked if they had any "traditional" american IPAs. He looked puzzled, and I said "More assertive bitterness, clear, piney, citrusy, dank." He shook his head and said "Naw, they don't sell". When the NEIPA fad passes, I can't help but wonder how these breweries (and thus taprooms) will survive.

 

[Manfish]

When the NEIPA fad passes, I can't help but wonder how these breweries (and thus taprooms) will survive.

By going back to the old standards and moving on to the next 'big thing'...

 

[Rhaop]

I agree, however..... you can use a dogfish head 90'minuite IPA to clean the pallet. I find the 90 is more balanced than the 60, and also likely the best IPA I've ever had. IMO Everything else is sub par to dogfish-heads take on them.

Got to taste the 60 directly from the brite tank at Dogfish, for me it sets the bar for IPA’s, Dale’s pale ale is a good gauge for me as far as pale ales go, Union Craft duck pin pale ale out of Baltimore is where i set the bar for pale ales that’s been my favorite so far

 

[motosapiens]

Got it right for your tastes maybe, not mine. One perfect German lager, what? There's many different kinds that are completely different from each other. Much different than one IPA is compared to the next that's for sure. I don't understand why lagers get this boring all the same stigma, yet that same person will rave about the newest IPA that tastes exactly like the last 256 prior fruit citrus bombs that came out before it.

Meh, I lived in germany for 6 years near munich, and drank a crap-ton of beer. pretty much all the helles in bavaria tastes pretty much the same. There was greater diversity in the hefeweizens and darker beers. I'd guess beer from up north would probably taste different, but no one drank northern imports in southern germany back then. Maybe 1 bar in town had warsteiner, everything was immediately local.

Otoh, commercial beer, whatever.... I only buy other people's beer when I am not allowed to bring my own.

 

[don2048]

After brewing mostly IPA's for the last few years and drinking every IPA under the sun at the bars I think I hit an IPA wall. Maybe its the season but a nice malty beer just taste better lately. IPA's are starting to taste real bitter to me. Even the same beer I was liking a year ago.
I went to the LHBS last week and loaded up on grain. At the register the owner asked if I needed hops. I said I have a freezer full of hops and I'm getting IPA burnout, She laughed and said they're seeing a shift to maltier beers and light beers like cream ales so I guess its not just me

I'll still make one here or there with all the hops I have to use up but with the endless overload of IPA's popping up everywhere I think I got burntout...will see if it lasts

Frankly, I think your taste buds are maturing. I love a maltier beer as I get older. After all, there are more flavors than "bitter" in beer.

 

[eric19312]

Honestly what is with the judgemental tone against people that still like hoppy beer.