Interesting find,

[DorianHyde92]

would anyone else care to try a small batch of Mead with this "honey"

https://www.beefreehonee.com/collec...ction/products/original-apple-honee-twin-pack

 

[Maylar]

Not.

 

[Andrew Hodgson]

Wait how does producing honey hurt bees? And does it seem weird they call it Honee instead of honey?

 

[DorianHyde92]

Wait how does producing honey hurt bees? And does it seem weird they call it Honee instead of honey?

It depends on how the honey is harvested,some keepers will leave the hive enough honey to feed themselves,others won't as they think it's eating into their profits,bees don't need much honey to live off of,but they do need some

 

[lump42]

It depends on how the honey is harvested,some keepers will leave the hive enough honey to feed themselves,others won't as they think it's eating into their profits,bees don't need much honey to live off of,but they do need some

Those people that rob their hives too much won't be keepers for long.

This product would make a cider not mead. At $10.60/lbs, it would be cheaper just to by frozen apple juice concentrate.

 

[Andrew Hodgson]

Seems fine for people who have a particular concern. To me no matter what the cause it is always dubious to use emotional hostage-taking as marketing, "Buy OUR product or else stuff dies!"

I am interested in what the similarities and differences between that and real honey are from a fermenting/flavor perspective. I can't say I wouldn't drink something that used it.

 

[DorianHyde92]

Seems fine for people who have a particular concern. To me no matter what the cause it is always dubious to use emotional hostage-taking as marketing, "Buy OUR product or else stuff dies!"

I am interested in what the similarities and differences between that and real honey are from a fermenting/flavor perspective. I can't say I wouldn't drink something that used it.

It's not too pricey,I'll probably do a taste teast on toast and stuff before anything else

 

[GilaMinumBeer]

Wait how does producing honey hurt bees?

You mean you haven't seen the documentary?

 

[lump42]

It's not too pricey,I'll probably do a taste teast on toast and stuff before anything else

I guess if you go with their half-gallon instead of the 12 oz jars and order several to spread out the shipping. Still wouldn't consider it a mead as much as a apple wine. Let us know what it tastes like.

 

[DorianHyde92]

You mean you haven't seen the documentary?

I don't know how that was labeled as a children's movie xp

 

[bernardsmith]

Isn't this product apple syrup? If you are a vegan and so don't eat honey, fine, so avoid mead and mead making. I don't know that fake honey makes much sense. It may make a drinkable wine in the same way that you can make wine from jam or marmalade... but if one is a vegan and so views honey as forbidden, fake mead is still fake. It's like kosher crab meat or kosher bacon... fake is fake.

 

[DorianHyde92]

Isn't this product apple syrup? If you are a vegan and so don't eat honey, fine, so avoid mead and mead making. I don't know that fake honey makes much sense. It may make a drinkable wine in the same way that you can make wine from jam or marmalade... but if one is a vegan and so views honey as forbidden, fake mead is still fake. It's like kosher crab meat or kosher bacon... fake is fake.

Correct me if I'm wrong,but since yeast are a living organism,wouldn't beer,Mead,and wine be animal products technically

 

[lump42]

Correct me if I'm wrong,but since yeast are a living organism,wouldn't beer,Mead,and wine be animal products technically

Nope, yeast are fungi. Completely separate kingdom from plants or animals. All are in the Eukaryota Domain.

 

[DorianHyde92]

I get that,but from my understanding and minimal looking into,the deciding factor for "vegan friendly"is that the product is made using I gredient made from things that can't feel pain or suffer,call me sceptical,but an organism that responds to stimuli to create an environment inhospitible to other micro organisms sounds like something that should be a no no

 

[Andrew Hodgson]

I get that,but from my understanding and minimal looking into,the deciding factor for "vegan friendly"is that the product is made using I gredient made from things that can't feel pain or suffer,call me sceptical,but an organism that responds to stimuli to create an environment inhospitible to other micro organisms sounds like something that should be a no no

I'm by no means well versed in vegan philosophy but I thought they draw the line with animals specifically? I think this would be a funny question to ask a vegan though as the follow up about yeast not being animals but as you say competing in their owns ways might fry their brains.

Keep in mind these are also people who are against eating meat but support farms that spray and kill scores of animals to protect crops.

 

[lump42]

I get that,but from my understanding and minimal looking into,the deciding factor for "vegan friendly"is that the product is made using I gredient made from things that can't feel pain or suffer,call me sceptical,but an organism that responds to stimuli to create an environment inhospitible to other micro organisms sounds like something that should be a no no

Fungi, plants, bacteria, and protists all respond to both positive and negative enviromental stimuli. Sometimes their reactions to those stimuli have a positive, negative, or neutral effect to other organisms (bacteria are perfectly happy to colonize our lungs, we are not). Organisms can suffer without feeling pain in the way that mammals do.

 

[DorianHyde92]

Fungi, plants, bacteria, and protists all respond to both positive and negative enviromental stimuli. Sometimes their reactions to those stimuli have a positive, negative, or neutral effect to other organisms (bacteria are perfectly happy to colonize our lungs, we are not). Organisms can suffer without feeling pain in the way that mammals do.

*as we currently understand,science isn't a finished thing at this point in history,we can't even explain in simple terms why it is bees have such big butts,yet can fly

 

[lump42]

*as we currently understand,science isn't a finished thing at this point in history,we can't even explain in simple terms why it is bees have such big butts,yet can fly

We've had that bumblebee thing worked out for a few years.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/05/090507194511.htm

True though that science isn't ever finished, but we do increase our knowledge base.

 

[DorianHyde92]

We've had that bumblebee thing worked out for a few years.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/05/090507194511.htm

True though that science isn't ever finished, but we do increase our knowledge base.

So short and sweet of it is,they lift and have chests like Arnold Shwawtzen-German

 

[lump42]

So short and sweet of it is,they lift and have chests like Arnold Shwawtzen-German

Yep, science is amazing. Bumblebees can fly. And yeast are fungi.

 

[DorianHyde92]

Yep, science is amazing. Bumblebees can fly. And yeast are fungi.

He is a really fun guy

 

[bernardsmith]

Best to ask vegans what they view as suitable for eating.

 

[lump42]

Best to ask vegans what they view as suitable for eating.

True, I once knew a vegan in college that wouldn't eat plants, eggs, and fish...

 

[DorianHyde92]

"The dragon warrior can survive off the dew of a single leaf,and the energy of the universe"

 

[MaxStout]

What on earth is this guy babbling about?

 

[lump42]

What on earth is this guy babbling about?

I believe it is carrying on a similar joke I made about college vegans eating fish and eggs... It's a quote from the animated movie Kung Fu Panda.

 

[S-Met]

I'm not sure, but I prefer Vegan Chili to regular Chili. I mean, I usually think of vegans as similar to grass-fed Goat. Not gamey at all, since most vegans ar ******* and lack that high testosterone or Estrogen flavor like wild game meat.

 

[ShareBrewing]

I’ve met good and bad vegans but I draw the line when they say they don’t eat honey... bees in some way are a part of making plant vegans eat. It’s a natural byproduct of nature’s life cycle. Bees aren’t forced to make honey OR ELSE! Plus honey is possibly one of the most healthy forms of sugar on earth.

But concerning the OP, this isn’t honey. You can’t make honey from apples. Animal cruelty based advertising continues to amaze. Every single apple they used to make it had to be fertilized by a bee... smh

 

[bernardsmith]

I think for vegans honey is viewed as an analog of milk. Since milk is made in the body of a cow and depends on the physiology and hormonal system of the cow, so too honey is produced by bees in an analogous way. But for Orthodox Jews that analogy does not apply.

Orthodox Jews view any product of a non kosher creature to be non kosher and so not suitable for food. Bees are not kosher but Orthodox Jews since at least the middle ages have viewed honey as very different from milk. They argue that bees make honey much like a potter makes clay. It's not excreted from cells in the body of the bee (unlike milk) so honey is considered kosher. For Orthodox Jews, cow and goat milk are kosher but camel milk isn't, and because squid is not kosher so squid ink is not kosher.

 

[ShareBrewing]

My brain hurts... how do people reason out these crazy rules in their minds?

Honey is so delicious. It’s an affront to nature to say that it can be replicated by apples, sugar, and some acidity. People will buy anything.