Specialty IPA: Red IPA India Red Ale

[TimBrewz]

Hey Sundell, I think that as jman mentioned, it will be a different brew without the Amarillo, Simcoe at 60 and 30 would be fine too. In fact, I have flipped the hops on this and done Simcoe at the end (5 min) and it was great. One of the best things about this recipe is that the grain bill can handle a lot of hops, and tastes good with many different hopping strategies. I don't think 75 IBU is pushing it, but I am a Portland hophead, so my perception may be skewed

I say brew it with Simcoe at 60 and 30. You can dial back the Simcoe at 60 if you want to decrease the bitterness-maybe to .75 oz.

Brew on, Tim

 

[sundell]

Seems everyone is sold out of Amarillo. The outstanding reviews of this beer make me want to try the original recipe. I think I'll hold out for Amarillo, if I can find it. If not I'm sure the all Simcoe version will be tasty!

 

[TimBrewz]

http://www.brewbrothers.biz/

http://www.fhsteinbart.com/index.php

both have amarillo in stock here in Portland.

 

[sundell]

Great, thanks!

 

[menisale]

Having made this recipe a number of times I think the malt of this can stand up to any hops you throw at it. Yes Amarillo is awesome but I think you will be happy with your hop bill as well. Don't delay making it, it is too delicious to wait.

 

[sundell]

I'm definitely going to go for it, with all Simcoe, this weekend. Yeah, can't wait any longer. My yeast starter will be a bit off as well - only have dark LME on hand (may alter the flavor just a tad). The original recipe will be brewed in due time, the more hoppy red beers in my fridge the better!

 

[gpd966]

Dumb question for the recipe...is "Munich type 1 (10L)" the same thing as "Weyermann Cara Munich I"? The SRM is way off with this on Brewmasters Warehouse. Though I am using am American IPA as a guideline and this is a Red IPA.

 

[Spitters]

I whipped up 5 gallons of this a few months ago and wanted to say this is hands down the best beer I have ever produced. Kudos and thanks for the excellent recipe!

 

[ChoochNW]

Gonna give this one a go on Thursday. What efficiency is your recipe set for Tim?

 

[TimBrewz]

Dumb question for the recipe...is "Munich type 1 (10L)" the same thing as "Weyermann Cara Munich I"? The SRM is way off with this on Brewmasters Warehouse. Though I am using am American IPA as a guideline and this is a Red IPA.

Munich type 1 is a base malt at 8-10L
NOT CARAMUNICH. Cara Munich is a crystal malt.

 

[TimBrewz]

Gonna give this one a go on Thursday. What efficiency is your recipe set for Tim?

Glad you are brewing this. I do 75% for all my recipes as a base, but I have been getting around 80% lately. This recipe is set for 75%

By the way this beer just won another 1st place at Slurp and Burp for "Northwest" Style Ale. I dry hopped 3 smaller doses and that really brought the aroma. I did .25 oz each Simcoe, Cascade and Amarillo every 3 days for 9 days.

Cheers!

Tim

 

[JasonG]

Tim,

I have been looking for a good "india red ale" recipe for quite a while. I brewed Jamil's "Evil Dead Red" a while back and was somewhat dissapointed in it. This looks like a very nice recipe.

It seems that you have brewed this a number of times, with different hop combinations, and at least one grain change (the C120). Would you mind posting the recipe again in its current form (either the recipe that recently won again, or the version that has been your favorite)? That would be really helpful. I think that I will brew this in the comming months, and will post back with results if I do. Thanks for your help.

JG

 

[TimBrewz]

Both are great beers, the original with the 80L and 40L is a bit lighter in color and less complex.

The version I just did used .5 lbs C-120 and .75 C-40. The only judges suggestion was that it may have been a bit sweet, and recommended notching down the crystal. I really like it as is, but I will bring it down to 6oz 120 and 10oz 60 next time to see how that is.

Hope that helps, Tim

Tim,

I have been looking for a good "india red ale" recipe for quite a while. I brewed Jamil's "Evil Dead Red" a while back and was somewhat dissapointed in it. This looks like a very nice recipe.

It seems that you have brewed this a number of times, with different hop combinations, and at least one grain change (the C120). Would you mind posting the recipe again in its current form (either the recipe that recently won again, or the version that has been your favorite)? That would be really helpful. I think that I will brew this in the comming months, and will post back with results if I do. Thanks for your help.

JG

 

[JasonG]

Tim,

Thanks for the info. So is this what your current recipe is looking like?

Pale Ale Malt 6.5 lbs
Munich type 1 (10L) 5 lbs.
Crystal 40L 0.75 lbs
Crystal 120L 0.5 lbs
Black malt 1 oz

All whole hops
Simcoe(13% aa) 1 oz 60 min
Amarillo(9.3% aa) 1 oz 30 min
Cascade (7% aa) 1 oz 5 min
Colombus 1 oz FO

Mash 155 for 60 min
Collect 7 gallons
Boil 90 min

American Ale yeast

Dry hop # 1 (3 days)
Simcoe 0.25 oz dry hops
Amarillo 0.25 oz dry hops
Cascade 0.25 oz dry hops

Dry hop # 2 (3 days)
Simcoe 0.25 oz dry hops
Amarillo 0.25 oz dry hops
Cascade 0.25 oz dry hops

Dry hop # 3 (3 days)
Simcoe 0.25 oz dry hops
Amarillo 0.25 oz dry hops
Cascade 0.25 oz dry hops


You mentioned using some colombus at FO and in the dry hop in one of your posting. Have you stuck with that? Thanks

JG

 

[TimBrewz]

Hey Jason, on this last iteration I did 1 oz Simcoe at FO this was better than Columbus in my opinion. Like mentioned by others, this malt bill can stand up to almost any hop assault
All looks good
I mashed at 152- that seems a better range for this crystal-heavy beer.

 

[DustBow]

So does that 1 oz of black malt just deepen the red color a bit w/o adding any dark/roast flavor? Kind of like only using 2-3 ozs roasted barley?

I'm always looking for ways to tweek colors a bit Would 1 oz de-bittered black do the same thing?

This looks like a nice, "sturdy" base grain bill to try out different hop recipes - I like a malty backbone along w/ the hop flavors.

 

[jman]

the black is for color.

i often times do an ounce of both Simcoe and Cascade at flameout. cant go wrong there.

as for the columbus, when i followed Tim's hop bill that time, i'd say that it initially didnt stand up to the other versions, but a few months later i thought it aged better than any other version. the columbus just added a little something that, over time, was really awesome.

 

[TimBrewz]

I am honored that this thread has a life as great as this beer. Dustbow, as jman said, the black is there for color. I think it also does add a very subtle roastiness to the beer that is only noticed when you brew without the dark malt.I have brewed without, and it is too "caramel-ly" for me. The black malt just barely covers a bit of the crystal with its roasty bite that I think it may be the most important nuance of this beer.

I would not use roast barley, as I think the black patent has the right sharpness to balance the malt bill. But, if you try it, please tell us what it does. Homebrew is all about playing with recipes anyway.

Finally, my latest batch was consumed in a violent beer massacre during a fishing trip. 5 gallons, nine guys. 2 hours. Yikes, that was supposed to last 2 days.

Cheers!

 

[BulldogBrewer]

Going to be trying this one out this weekend. Couldn't get any amarillo though, so I went with chinook as it's done will in IPAs for me and is about the same AA as the amarillos I've used in the past...

Any big issue with that change maybe?

 

[TimBrewz]

Going to be trying this one out this weekend. Couldn't get any amarillo though, so I went with chinook as it's done will in IPAs for me and is about the same AA as the amarillos I've used in the past...

Any big issue with that change maybe?

I think it will be great! Another variation is always good in my book.

Happy brewin'

 

[BulldogBrewer]

Wow, the hydro sample of this tastes simply amazing. Can't wait for this one to be done!

 

[TimBrewz]

Wow, the hydro sample of this tastes simply amazing. Can't wait for this one to be done!

Glad I am not the only one drinking my wort!

 

[ChillWill]

mmm looks good!

I don't have any black malt but have an ample supply of roast barley and chocolate. Could I use one of these to add colour? Should I use them in the mash, or throw some in the sparge just to extract colour and not too much flavour?

 

[TimBrewz]

ChillWill, I have not tried it with other roast malts but I think it will work, just be different. Add to the mash, you want just a touch of roast character to counter the sweetness of the crystal malts.

 

[ChillWill]

Cool, thanks. I don't have any cascade either, but I've got citra, ekg, chinook, simcoe, amarillo on hand, which should I swap it for? More amarillo?

 

[BulldogBrewer]

I wasn't able to get any amarillo, so I made this with chinook, simcoe and cascade. The sample tasted amazing, so I can't imagine chinook, simcoe and amarillo being bad

 

[jfrank85]

I've done Chinook, simcoe, and citra combo before. Very tasty combo.

 

[jman]

ive done simcoe/amarillo/amarillo with this one before. came out great (i still prefer the cascade in there, though). you could always BLEND together your simcoe and amarillo and then use this blend for all stages of hopping. sounds like an interesting and tasty experiement.

 

[TimBrewz]

I would do a split of Simcoe and Amarillo at the 5 minute mark. I have done this and it is very good. (1 oz of each)

ive done simcoe/amarillo/amarillo with this one before. came out great (i still prefer the cascade in there, though). you could always BLEND together your simcoe and amarillo and then use this blend for all stages of hopping. sounds like an interesting and tasty experiement.

 

[chumpsteak]

I brewed this last weekend using all Falconer's Flight hops on the same schedule and maintaining the IBU's. The krausen dropped today so I took a sample and hit the predicted FG of 1.015 using US05. This beer smells amazing with the falconer's flight hops and already tastes amazing after 5 days in primary. I can't wait till it's done.