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lostmind
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Good point, but not always true. Actually, you'd be amazed how fast your heart rate gets when you lift correctly. A lot of people either take breaks between sets that are too long or don't lift heavy enough to keep the heart rate up. I used to do only running but totally changed my routine a year ago after getting sick of being skinny. But it's still nice to randomly run 2 or 3 miles flat out; just so that I still know I can. So what I meant in my previous post was that I don't emphasize cardio, but usually do still run once a week after my main workout. Now, that might be more if my feet weren't my main mode of transportation.
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stubbornman
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I too am fighting this battle. Up 40 pounds since this time last year... It has motivated me to brew more session beers. It doesn't all have to be DIPA's and RIS. 
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Justibone
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More veggies, less meat. It will work for most!
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I too am fighting this battle. Up 40 pounds since this time last year... It has motivated me to brew more session beers. It doesn't all have to be DIPA's and RIS.
I just tried brewing a beer off of the 3rd runnings from an outmeal stout. By the time it went into the keg it literally tasted like water flavored beer. It's hard to explain but the crisp, clean water flavor was pretty overpowering. I estimate the ABV to be about 2% and the calories have to be less than 100 per 12 oz serving. If it turns out to be drinkable then I'll probably just stick to beers like that for day to day quaffing.
lostmind
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I too am fighting this battle. Up 40 pounds since this time last year... It has motivated me to brew more session beers. It doesn't all have to be DIPA's and RIS.
That's pretty significant. You may want to talk to your doctor... lot's of bad stuff can cause such weight gain. Always good to nip stuff in the bud early, if possible.
My doctor was really concerned when I put on 20lbs in a year...
lostmind
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More real food, less processed garbage fake food.
I don't think there is anything wrong with a good serving of protein and 3-4 cups of veggies at every meal. But 3-4 cups of pasta/rice/bread is not healthy.
A good serving of protein at every meal, yes. A good serving of meat at every meal, not so much. Maybe a good serving of meat once a day, and keep it a serving the size of your palm.
COLObrewer
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I feel . . . . . guilty
Seriously, the thing that has helped me most is cutting back on processed foods, mostly white stuff, sugar, white bread, white rice.
Seriously, the thing that has helped me most is cutting back on processed foods, mostly white stuff, sugar, white bread, white rice.
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lostmind
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A good serving of protein at every meal, yes. A good serving of meat at every meal, not so much. Maybe a good serving of meat once a day, and keep it a serving the size of your palm.
hmmm while your argument has some merit for environmental purposes, from a health perspective I'm not convinced.
4 oz of a lean steak is around 200 cals with approx 25 grams protein and 10 grams fat.
4 oz of salmon is nearly the same as steak but more omega 3's...
4 oz of chicken breast is around 175 cals with approx 30g protein and roughly 5 grams fat.
Protein and fat make you feel fuller so you eat less. Couple it with a ton of simply prepared veggies and I think it'd be very hard for the average person to get fat eating several servings of meat per day.
Now if the average serving of meat is something nuts like 12 oz, then yah; that's no good.
If I'm missing something, please point it out. I'm always looking to learn more...
no that's good. eating meat to lose weight definitely works. i was thinking more on the lines of cholesterol consumption, saturated fats and what not. i'm just saying keep it balanced and eating a "good portion" of protein at every meal should not mean eat a ton of meat all the time because it's really not good to get most of your calories from meat. what did michael pollan say? eat food. not too much. mostly plants.
lostmind
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Ahhh ok.
I'm a fan of Pollan. But I can't eat/live like he does.
I buy my meat from a ranch just a few hours away, grass fed, free range. I have a salmon csa share, do my best to eat only organic, free range chicken, etc. Get my veggies delivered to me by a local organic delivery service...
But yah, I can't go all veggie it just doesn't work for me. Consuming enough legumes to get my protein intake gives me intestinal distress. I tried supplementing with Vega, but it's not the best tasting stuff.
I'm a fan of Pollan. But I can't eat/live like he does.
I buy my meat from a ranch just a few hours away, grass fed, free range. I have a salmon csa share, do my best to eat only organic, free range chicken, etc. Get my veggies delivered to me by a local organic delivery service...
But yah, I can't go all veggie it just doesn't work for me. Consuming enough legumes to get my protein intake gives me intestinal distress. I tried supplementing with Vega, but it's not the best tasting stuff.
Almost literally, I work my as off. I spend a good 4-6 hours per week doing moderate to hard cardio work. I also take park on the far end of a parking lot, take stairs, walk just about anywhere that is within a half mile of where I am, etc. It doesn't take too long before you start to enjoy doing it. In any case, if I want to eat the things I want to eat, drink the things I want to drink, and live the lifestyle I want to live, exercise is the price I must pay. It feels good, too.
On eating, I do not strictly count calories, but I think about what I eat. I not only think about the calories I take in, but all the other nutrition, too. You need more than calories to be healthy, you know.
I avoid junk food except for certain occasions, and I then keep it to a minimum. Really, after those first few chips or so, I eat them more out of habit (or the mere fact of their presence) than enjoyment. When I want to snack, I eat an apple, a grapefruit, a stalk of celery, a cucumber sliced and dipped in vinegar (not as much salt as pickles), a small amount of beef jerky, a small amount of nuts, or an ounce (or less) of cheese. I keep snacks down, too.
On drinking, I rarely drink during the week. It is more of a social thing for me, anyhow. I rarely, rarely drink sodas (i.e., maybe 4 or 5 per year). I just do not like them. I drink lots of water, some tea, and a little coffee. That actually started back in college, when I could not afford sodas. Water was free, and it turned out to be a good habit to get into.
Of course, all that goes out the window now and then. I'll eat and drink like a friggin' viking on a payday when the time is right. All things in moderation, including moderation. So long as I keep in mind that I have to pay for that, somehow or another, it's okay.
As mentioned before, aging is a big deal. It's not as easy to control that weight as it used to be. It is not so much that I have to do more on a day-to-day basis. However, if I go on a bender for a few days or so, I see more of a difference, and it takes longer to recover.
For those that cut back on your food intake so that you can drink more beer, that is a good decision, so long as you don't take it too far. Just be careful to get all the nutrition you need for a day.
TL
On eating, I do not strictly count calories, but I think about what I eat. I not only think about the calories I take in, but all the other nutrition, too. You need more than calories to be healthy, you know.
I avoid junk food except for certain occasions, and I then keep it to a minimum. Really, after those first few chips or so, I eat them more out of habit (or the mere fact of their presence) than enjoyment. When I want to snack, I eat an apple, a grapefruit, a stalk of celery, a cucumber sliced and dipped in vinegar (not as much salt as pickles), a small amount of beef jerky, a small amount of nuts, or an ounce (or less) of cheese. I keep snacks down, too.
On drinking, I rarely drink during the week. It is more of a social thing for me, anyhow. I rarely, rarely drink sodas (i.e., maybe 4 or 5 per year). I just do not like them. I drink lots of water, some tea, and a little coffee. That actually started back in college, when I could not afford sodas. Water was free, and it turned out to be a good habit to get into.
Of course, all that goes out the window now and then. I'll eat and drink like a friggin' viking on a payday when the time is right. All things in moderation, including moderation. So long as I keep in mind that I have to pay for that, somehow or another, it's okay.
As mentioned before, aging is a big deal. It's not as easy to control that weight as it used to be. It is not so much that I have to do more on a day-to-day basis. However, if I go on a bender for a few days or so, I see more of a difference, and it takes longer to recover.
For those that cut back on your food intake so that you can drink more beer, that is a good decision, so long as you don't take it too far. Just be careful to get all the nutrition you need for a day.
TL
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stubbornman
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I like to make it sound worse than it is... I was up to 225 from a 185 fighting weight last year. I was pretty depleted and overtrained for the last couple of years and hit the 40lb mark coming back from vacation...
In the 2 days I've been back on "the program", I'm down 8 pounds (mostly water/bloat loss).
What's Vega? I'm with you on the food choices. I don't go all veggie either. I might someday as my soon-to-be wife is a vegetarian and she does most of the cooking.
lostmind
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Vega is a vegan protein shake/meal replacement powder. The nutrition specs are pretty impressive, the taste is sorely lacking. It's not HORRIBLE but it's not even close to good, let alone ok tasting...
Vegetarian is good stuff but I think some people tolerate it better than others. For me, I refuse to eat filler/fake proteins like tofu weiners and tempeh (I like tofu, but I only eat it once in a while). Getting enough protein from natural sources is pretty much impossible without eating a tons of legumes. Legumes (beans) cause havoc with my digestion. Especially my favourites, black beans. I thought about a digestive enzyme to help but... seems to defeat the purpose.
I also worry for many vegetarians who just simply cut out meat & meat products thinking they are being healthy, without actually researching that dietary lifestyle at all... and then they are really just depriving their body of proper nutrition.
Sounds disgusting. I'm in the same boat as you too in regards to smart dogs and quorn and all that crap. My fiance will eat it but I refuse to touch it if it can be avoided -- though in all fairness quorn's chicken breast is really good with BBQ sauce. I don't eat it because it's just as processed as everything else. That's too bad about how rough beans are on your stomach. Is it all legumes or just beans? Red lentils are one of my favorite things to eat in the world and they seem pretty mild. Mmmm, now i'm thinking of indian food.
I don't think getting proper nutrition is as hard as you make it sound. I do think it's important to be mindful of the food choices you make, so yeah, just cutting meat isn't enough, but getting proper nutrition as a mindful vegetarian is a LOT easier than it is when eating like most everyone else in the US.
Justibone
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Six-day-a-week vegetarianism is pretty healthy.
Pretty much all beans contain that same sugar -- can't remember the name ATM, mannose? maybe -- and the lack of an enzyme to break down that sugar is what causes the gas. The bacteria in your gut do have the enzyme, so they eat it and then fart out the methane... which then leads to marital strife.
Lactose intolerance is the same deal, but only some people lose the ability to break down lactose.
Pretty much all beans contain that same sugar -- can't remember the name ATM, mannose? maybe -- and the lack of an enzyme to break down that sugar is what causes the gas. The bacteria in your gut do have the enzyme, so they eat it and then fart out the methane... which then leads to marital strife.
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Justibone
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lostmind
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What makes vegetarianism tough is finding plant based protein sources. Of course, vegans are much more strict about it...
If you eat eggs & cheese, etc. it's not quite as hard - ovo lacto vegetarian or whatever they want to call it.
But I tried to absolutely forgo meat and meat derived products for a week (plus minimise processed food of any sort). It was very tough being a fake vegan. I had no self conviction to power me through it, because I don't believe eating animals is wrong. I'm higher up the food chain for a reason.
Quinoa makes a decent oatmeal in the morning and has some protein. I ate lentils and beans nearly every meal to keep my protein intake up. Ate so much leafy greens I thought I was a cow myself. I sure bloated up like one!
But seriously, a lot of vegetarians just drop meat from their diet and do little to rectify the giant loss of protein in their diets. Oh hey, I'll just eat pasta without the meat. Toast with peanut butter cuz it's a good source of protein (which always amazes me, peanut butter is a good source of fats, with some very minimal protein) and so on.
Even worse, I think there is a huge problem with the diet of most north americans to begin with - we don't eat a lot of vegetables. So then you get these "vegetarians" who just drop meat from their diet and then never eat vegetables! WTF is up with that? So all they eat is processed foods... nutritionally empty, calorie dense food is not good...
If you eat eggs & cheese, etc. it's not quite as hard - ovo lacto vegetarian or whatever they want to call it.
But I tried to absolutely forgo meat and meat derived products for a week (plus minimise processed food of any sort). It was very tough being a fake vegan. I had no self conviction to power me through it, because I don't believe eating animals is wrong. I'm higher up the food chain for a reason.
Quinoa makes a decent oatmeal in the morning and has some protein. I ate lentils and beans nearly every meal to keep my protein intake up. Ate so much leafy greens I thought I was a cow myself. I sure bloated up like one!
But seriously, a lot of vegetarians just drop meat from their diet and do little to rectify the giant loss of protein in their diets. Oh hey, I'll just eat pasta without the meat. Toast with peanut butter cuz it's a good source of protein (which always amazes me, peanut butter is a good source of fats, with some very minimal protein) and so on.
Even worse, I think there is a huge problem with the diet of most north americans to begin with - we don't eat a lot of vegetables. So then you get these "vegetarians" who just drop meat from their diet and then never eat vegetables! WTF is up with that? So all they eat is processed foods... nutritionally empty, calorie dense food is not good...
modernlifeisANDY
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I rock climb 2-3x a week for a few hours (boulders for strength and long climbs for endurance) and play tennis for an hour and a half to two hours a few times a week. I also ride my bike around on the weekends or any time I'm heading into the city.
I am just about to come off a no beer break. I gained about 20 lbs just from making beer (and its ****ty foods you consume when you are drinking) a hobby and here I am. I decided enough is enough and have been working to lose it all.
I started at 196 and am down to 182 right now. I will allow beer to be a part of my weekly diet once i get back to 175 (although i will cheat on vacation in a few weeks). I am really looking to get under 170 to be really where i want to be.
I started at 196 and am down to 182 right now. I will allow beer to be a part of my weekly diet once i get back to 175 (although i will cheat on vacation in a few weeks). I am really looking to get under 170 to be really where i want to be.
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