LandoLincoln
Well-Known Member
what could have been an interesting discussion unfortunately turned into to middle school playground fight. Grow up.
make me!
what could have been an interesting discussion unfortunately turned into to middle school playground fight. Grow up.
Show me on the doll where she touched you.
grow up.
It's not always obvious, and you'd have to bother going to everyone's profiles to figure it out. That's not something I do, at least.
Same one time?
Is this guy serious?
I had to give up quilting because all the women ran me out of the hobby.
Yesterday when this first came up, I found myself wondering if a cross-stitching forum somewhere out there was having the same discussion about "how can we give cross-stitch a man's touch?"
Austin: How are women received in the brewing community? Do you feel it's a boys club, or do you see that changing? I'll be frank, conflicted in this line of questioning. There's a part of me that thinks calling out the fact you're a lady is making an issue of it rather than just not mentioning it. Thoughts?
Jessica: I don't know whether to laugh or be offended that you called me a lady!
But really, let's face it, home brewing is a boy's club right now, but the number of women brewers is increasing. I was not surprised to see that men dominated the hobby and to be honest, when I see another woman brewer I am probably oddly star struck. It is like spotting Bigfoot, only prettier and I probably don't have to fear for my life. I would love to see more women brewing, but it may never take off like it has for men. I don't think I could come up with a valuable reason, but I encourage women to brew or get with their significant others and brew together. It is a nice hobby to have because there is usually something to enjoy in the end and it is done at home where you can be present with loved ones or a needy dog; what isn't there to love!?
As far as the question goes, I think it is a fine question to ask. I almost want to believe that women home brewers are independent and very strong. That we value our families, but we have a hobby that is definitely going against the grain of what some people still may believe is inappropriate for women. I think there has been a stigma associated with drinking beer and that it was a man's drink. I think a woman drinking beer from a can, bottle, or even pint glass may be viewed as anything but sexy. A woman holding a nice glass of wine or a nice martini glass was probably more of the picture people had when they thought about women drinking. I still question whether or not this is still the case based on what I see just hanging out in breweries and such. Granted, there are still women around and some who are drinking beer and those who don't look like they're annoyed or bored being at a brewery, but obviously the ratio is definitely skewed in the favor of men. As a lady, I don't mind sitting in a place riddled with men. Men are glorious!
Austin: In my interview with Jessica "Hello" B, we discussed the nature of brewing and whether is was a boy's club. What are your thoughts?
Melana: Oh yes. It's a delightful boys club that (thanks to the pioneering efforts of the site Admin) respects women. Now that's a place for me! I've been to beer functions where I'm the only woman brewer (beer mistress perhaps?!) and the guys are totally cool with having a woman in their midst. My other hobby antique autos is a male dominated hobby and I have no problems fitting in there. I speculate that it's a boys club because most women don't like beer. Pfft... oh well. Girl/boy/whatever... I like hanging with people that brew. On HBT we are all gender neutral. I have in recent years started to define myself as female by my avatar which I do change frequently... I'm completely comfortable being 'just one of the guys'.
Hey, I do a lot of cross-stitch work... can you link me to that forum please?
Are you kidding?! I don't go near that stuff, it's a chick hobby.
Now if you'll excuse me, I've gotta run before my cookies burn and these flower arrangements I'm working on start wilting.
Thank you! This made me spray my diet coke all over my monitor. I SO needed a good laugh today.
I'm backing Homebrewdad, here...and I didn't even agree with his blog post. Buuuuut, that's not the point! A few of you immediately twisted his words and opinions into some skewed personal attack which resulted in some very immature and unfair comments. It was an opinion piece, people! RELAX.
What could have been an interesting DISCUSSION unfortunately turned into to middle school playground fight. Grow up.
Who is fighting? Serious question.
I don't think anyone is attacking the guy. I do think that the worst part of the blog post is that he portrays ALL male home brewers as basic cavemen and this is simply not the case. So you need to relax. Yes, it was an opinion piece that he spammed on various sites looking for discussion but also hits. I don't fault him for that at all, I fault him for lumping these fine ass men into one group while single-handedly saying that every single woman has not been welcome into the community. Opinions are awesome, but let's keep it at that and when you write an opinion piece, state it as such. That was not entirely the case here.
I think I took more offense to how men were portrayed than I did the women. I'd venture to guess I'm not alone. You can stand on whatever side you want, but you need to take your own advice. Just a side note, his words weren't twisted. He thinks this community needs to be more welcoming of women and I for one have never felt that way.
Two things
1) I cast my AHA ballot today. 3 women on the ballot. I voted for all 3.
Agreed 100%. Except for the 'fine ass men' - are they all? I haven't seen enough to make any opinion either way.
I do think that the worst part of the blog post is that he portrays ALL male home brewers as basic cavemen and this is simply not the case.
I'll be a pioneer and be the first to jump in the fine ass men category.
Not sure how you are going to "see" more women involved through a text forum. But, if you look into the profiles of the user base here I expect you will be surprised to see how many are women. Kind of hard to pick out gender when everyone is Arial 12 unless their words or username offer some clue.
So, as I did earlier with another poster, I'm going to ask that you show me where I did this. This was absolutely not my intention. I offered an opinion based on some observations. I never intended to paint every man with the same brush (I'd be painting myself, no?). If I did, and I'm missing the offending verbiage, please do point it out to me. I will both correct this, and post a retraction, as this was never my intent.
Your blog post came off this way to me.
Okay, cool. So, I'm legitimately asking for feedback, as I clearly failed at communication here.
What did I say to make you think I was generalizing all men as sexist trolls or whatnot? Because, hey - it would be cool for posterity to make it read better.
Okay, cool. So, I'm legitimately asking for feedback, as I clearly failed at communication here.
What did I say to make you think I was generalizing all men as sexist trolls or whatnot? Because, hey - it would be cool for posterity to make it read better.
Outside of the brief history lesson in the beginning your whole blog comes off as portraying the whole home brewing club/hobby/business as being very exclusionary towards women. So while you don't come right out and say that the men in homebrewing are sexist; the way your blog is written pretty much implies it. That may or may not have been your intention, but that is the way it reads.
I will also have to disagree with your opinion since I've have never seen anyone be derogatory towards a homebrewer just because they are female; either here on HBT or elsewhere I've been to. Just out of curiosity if it is as rampant as you claim then would you mind linking to a few examples? I would honestly like to see how someone is being dismissive to another homebrewer just because of their gender.
The word 'sexist' isn't in the blog post, although it is implied. I think the original post was quite level-headed and bares little resemblance to the straw-man version of that post that many of the posters in this thread are apparently responding to."HOME BREWING CULTURE".
Culture - the beliefs, customs, arts, etc., of a particular society, group, place, or time
When you say the homebrewing culture is sexist, you refer to the entire group or large majority of that group.
Yeah... white males are so privileged, we get everything handed to us and hardly have to work for anything.
The word 'sexist' isn't in the blog post, although it is implied. I think the original post was quite level-headed and bares little resemblance to the straw-man version of that post that many of the posters in this thread are apparently responding to.
Agreed 100%. Except for the 'fine ass men' - are they all? I haven't seen enough to make any opinion either way.
Okay, cool. So, I'm legitimately asking for feedback, as I clearly failed at communication here.
What did I say to make you think I was generalizing all men as sexist trolls or whatnot? Because, hey - it would be cool for posterity to make it read better.
"HOME BREWING CULTURE".
Culture - the beliefs, customs, arts, etc., of a particular society, group, place, or time
When you say the homebrewing culture is sexist, you refer to the entire group or large majority of that group.
The word 'sexist' isn't in the blog post, although it is implied. I think the original post was quite level-headed and bares little resemblance to the straw-man version of that post that many of the posters in this thread are apparently responding to.
Okay, cool. So, I'm legitimately asking for feedback, as I clearly failed at communication here.
What did I say to make you think I was generalizing all men as sexist trolls or whatnot? Because, hey - it would be cool for posterity to make it read better.
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