Hill Farmstead thread

[PepeSylvia1]

not srs, not even in CW

 

[DigDug1810]

damn people... would have loved this homebre's spot in CW.. maybe next time

 

[indy1]

Collected Works Members should be expecting an email soon...

In all seriousness, do you guys plan to address this by sending a note out to members or taking some other action? I know that this was planned for and addressed in the original terms for members:

"If any member is found to be reselling our beer, their membership will be canceled and no refund will be provided. If the Collected Works membership is abused in such a way where it is found that people are profiting from their access, the entire Collected Works membership may be subject to cancelation."

But I wasn't sure if that second line meant this clown just pissed in the pickles for everyone. I sincerely hope the action of one individual does not spoil all the convenience and pure joy this club has meant for the loyal members.

 

[iong516]

That would be sad indeed.

 

[IndianaJones]

It seems a race between HF finding out who sold it, and the razzle group finding out who sent the screenshot. What a time to be alive

 

[MyGrandmaLovesCraftBeer]

If, hypothetically speaking, each of the CW bottles were tagged or numbered and linked to a name in Shaun's CW "friends list", and each of those "friends" were then told that they would be held personally responsible for where that bottle wound up (while strongly being urged to actually drink the beer they purchase), I would imagine that the incidence of such profiteering behavior would be stymied and perhaps even halted.

Something as simple as:

-If you sell your CW beer, your membership will be revoked.
-If you trade or gift or donate your beer, and that beer ends up being sold, your membership will be revoked.

This, however, would create a lot of additional work for the Hill Farmstead staff. The value of implementing such a policy would really depend on how important the issue of secondary beer sales are to the brewery.

 

[Abitker]

If, hypothetically speaking, each of the CW bottles were tagged or numbered and linked to a name in Shaun's CW "friends list", and each of those "friends" were then told that they would be held personally responsible for where that bottle wound up (while strongly being urged to actually drink the beer they purchase), I would imagine that the incidence of such profiteering behavior would be stymied and perhaps even halted.

Something as simple as:

-If you sell your CW beer, your membership will be revoked.
-If you trade or gift or donate your beer, and that beer ends up being sold, your membership will be revoked.

This, however, would create a lot of additional work for the Hill Farmstead staff. The value of implementing such a policy would really depend on how important the issue of secondary beer sales are to the brewery.

I considered suggesting this a while back but you could just take a black sharpie to cross out any sort of unique marking so I don't see how it'd be effective.

 

[ilovestouts]

In all seriousness, do you guys plan to address this by sending a note out to members or taking some other action? I know that this was planned for and addressed in the original terms for members:

"If any member is found to be reselling our beer, their membership will be canceled and no refund will be provided. If the Collected Works membership is abused in such a way where it is found that people are profiting from their access, the entire Collected Works membership may be subject to cancelation."

But I wasn't sure if that second line meant this clown just pissed in the pickles for everyone. I sincerely hope the action of one individual does not spoil all the convenience and pure joy this club has meant for the loyal members.

Liked for "pissed in the pickles".

 

[DigDug1810]

i wouldn't be shocked if this leads to more offerings just flat out being tap room only, I hope the CW doesn't go away because of this incident.

One idea could be something along the lines of CW members can still reserve the bottle however it would be for on premise, benefit would be reserving the bottle at a lower price and guarantee the bottle being available for on premise when the CW member was going to pick up whatever they've reserved.

you know, since adults can't adult and need max profitz

 

[RyanG1]

Stuff like this has happened with SARA. Always bad apples no matter what policy you implement. If you are selling a bottle via MBC and identified, you are booted out.

 

[theLostWizard]

-If you sell your CW beer, your membership will be revoked.
-If you trade or gift or donate your beer, and that beer ends up being sold, your membership will be revoked.

This, however, would create a lot of additional work for the Hill Farmstead staff. The value of implementing such a policy would really depend on how important the issue of secondary beer sales are to the brewery.

Stuff like this has happened with SARA. Always bad apples no matter what policy you implement. If you are selling a bottle via MBC and identified, you are booted out.

The second case is the one I find most interesting. The Sante Adairius cellar club has a similar issue (as Ryan_G beat me to the response), where selling bottles is strictly prohibited and will result in membership revocation. However, Tim & Adair have stated that trading is fine, but it's been floated (I'm not seeing anything mentioned specifically) that if your trade has been found to be the cause of a sale then the trader's membership may be revoked.

It will be interesting to see if either HW or SARA eventually reach a point where they do not condone trading in order to control secondary market sales. Anecdotally speaking I don't care because I don't trade any of my bottles, but it's still maddening to see people attempt to profit in this way.

 

[Abitker]

I'd be surprised if more than 10 people have picked this up from Hill yet. The potential suspect list has to be really small at this point.

 

[Os]

I'd be all for a no trading rule on CW beers... but I don't really trade... definitely would work with CW only beers.

it's not like it's difficult to drink the beers you bought... or to just buy beers you plan on drinking...

 

[GuzzleMcBrew]

I wonder what legal capacity any of these places have to sell "direct" to consumers via online portals or web shops. I think it would be nice if brewers could offer their hot beers to customers direct online for a huge markup. Then the people paying these absurd online prices (if that is actually happening and not just another con) can just support the breweries direct. Breweries can treat it like a charitable donation or maybe some funds that will give back to their actual fanbase's experience. This could still be limited so as to not cannibalize much product for actual consumers, but could at least appease the marks out there that want to pay the big bucks without supporting re-sellers.

 

[Os]

I wonder what legal capacity any of these places have to sell "direct" to consumers via online portals or web shops. I think it would be nice if brewers could offer their hot beers to customers direct online for a huge markup. Then the people paying these absurd online prices (if that is actually happening and not just another con) can just support the breweries direct. Breweries can treat it like a charitable donation or maybe some funds that will give back to their actual fanbase's experience.

but does that mean you are now cutting into an already small bottle count in order to appease those who are willing to spend absurd amounts of money?

 

[GuzzleMcBrew]

but does that mean you are now cutting into an already small bottle count in order to appease those who are willing to spend absurd amounts of money?

I was just thinking the number of people paying huge sums can't be that large, so a handful of bottles might do a lot.
Just a crazy idea.

 

[Os]

I was just thinking the number of people paying huge sums can't be that large, so a handful of bottles might do a lot.
Just a crazy idea.

yeah, not sure there is a "right" way of doing anything... people suck...

 

[PepeSylvia1]

Could it be an inside job? Just saying...

I feel like a detective.

 

[yasky]

Would have had to be a monthly pickup member since AFAIK the quarterly and twice yearly pickups won't happen until March. The pic posted with the razzle suggested the bottle was in-hand somewhere with bad upholstery.

 

[Don2]

Would have had to be a monthly pickup member since AFAIK the quarterly and twice yearly pickups won't happen until March. The pic posted with the razzle suggested the bottle was in-hand somewhere with bad upholstery.

I will allow AutumnBeerLove or MSardina1 to inspect my upholstery if necessary

 

[Marc2]

I wonder what legal capacity any of these places have to sell "direct" to consumers via online portals or web shops. I think it would be nice if brewers could offer their hot beers to customers direct online for a huge markup. Then the people paying these absurd online prices (if that is actually happening and not just another con) can just support the breweries direct. Breweries can treat it like a charitable donation or maybe some funds that will give back to their actual fanbase's experience. This could still be limited so as to not cannibalize much product for actual consumers, but could at least appease the marks out there that want to pay the big bucks without supporting re-sellers.

Most people don't pay crazy sums for a bottle, they buy in to a raffle so a beer estimated at 600$ secondary breaks down to 40$ per slot and 15 slots are available to buy. These groups are filled with 1000s of people and there are new posts every 10 seconds all day long. It's not a con and yes there are way more people than you might think that are actively participating.

Hopefully not too many people picked up their bottle and it will be easy to identify but seems doubtful. The person that can't show proof they still have the bottle can say they drank it... I don't see this coming to a conclusion beyond "we strongly suspect you..." type thing

 

[lazerviking]

Most people don't pay crazy sums for a bottle, they buy in to a raffle so a beer estimated at 600$ secondary breaks down to 40$ per slot and 15 slots are available to buy. These groups are filled with 1000s of people and there are new posts every 10 seconds all day long. It's not a con and yes there are way more people than you might think that are actively participating.

Hopefully not too many people picked up their bottle and it will be easy to identify but seems doubtful. The person that can't show proof they still have the bottle can say they drank it... I don't see this coming to a conclusion beyond "we strongly suspect you..." type thing

Is the shitlord taking lottery entries the same person who "estimates" secondary value? I hate beer.

 

[Don2]

Most people don't pay crazy sums for a bottle, they buy in to a raffle so a beer estimated at 600$ secondary breaks down to 40$ per slot and 15 slots are available to buy. These groups are filled with 1000s of people and there are new posts every 10 seconds all day long. It's not a con and yes there are way more people than you might think that are actively participating.

Hopefully not too many people picked up their bottle and it will be easy to identify but seems doubtful. The person that can't show proof they still have the bottle can say they drank it... I don't see this coming to a conclusion beyond "we strongly suspect you..." type thing

We (I assume only CW members who picked up got the email) were asked to show proof today, (by taking a pic with your bottle) the email said if you can't show proof then you may lose your CW membership. I'd imagine even if you drank it you'd find a way to prove that somehow

 

[SecretSquirrel]

I'd be all for a no trading rule on CW beers... but I don't really trade... definitely would work with CW only beers.

it's not like it's difficult to drink the beers you bought... or to just buy beers you plan on drinking...

but most CW beers are also available to regular people outside of CW

trade wisely is my suggestion.

 

[Ben1]

In all seriousness, do you guys plan to address this by sending a note out to members or taking some other action? I know that this was planned for and addressed in the original terms for members:

"If any member is found to be reselling our beer, their membership will be canceled and no refund will be provided. If the Collected Works membership is abused in such a way where it is found that people are profiting from their access, the entire Collected Works membership may be subject to cancelation."

But I wasn't sure if that second line meant this clown just pissed in the pickles for everyone. I sincerely hope the action of one individual does not spoil all the convenience and pure joy this club has meant for the loyal members.

I thought you'd be rooting for the CW membership to get canceled.

That way all that lost luster can be restored to the bottle announcements.

 

[duceswild]

At least the Art Plum wasn't being traded for KBBS+

 

[Marc2]

We (I assume only CW members who picked up got the email) were asked to show proof today, (by taking a pic with your bottle) the email said if you can't show proof then you may lose your CW membership. I'd imagine even if you drank it you'd find a way to prove that somehow

The culprit would also still have the bottle, they just get someone from the group to post but they are responsible for shipping to the winner so you would want to wait for the raffle to close first and allow 3 days for shipping

 

[MikeG1]

I'm calling it right now - false flag attack orchestrated by Shaun Hill.

 

[HopStunna]

Anyone going to hill who can pick up some growlers for me? Would love to try s&s8. Of course can do the same in the future.

 

[raqnroll]

Opened a WOL Anch & Peach/Pear Flora this week...
WOL was as lemony as you could get. Really enjoyed how lemon forward it was.
And I'm pretty sure PP Flora is one of the best beers I've ever had.