Saison Hi Nelson! Nelson Hopped Saison w/Hibiscus

[mattmmille]

I dropped off a bottle for the heads brewer at Fortnight Brewing not too long ago. I stopped by yesterday to see if he had tried it. He really liked it and was impressed. He had sharred it with another staff brewer there who also liked it...said he had been looking to try to use hibiscus in a brew and this was the best example he had tasted ! I'm very happy, to say the least!

 

[mattmmille]

Stopped by Raleigh Brewing Co. and Atlantic Brew Supply today to pick up ingredients for a porter. Brought a couple samples along and the Hi Nelson was a hit with the brew shop's guru!

 

[Fuzzymittenbrewing]

Very cool on both deals!!!

 

[drboats]

My primary is cruising as we speak (4 days and some serious funky smells at 75F). Normally I never transfer to secondary (lazy and clarity isn't my priority) and just dry hop in the primary. Can I just rack the beer into the tea in the bottling bucket after I dry hop? Or do you think are there natural sugars in the tea which would over carb the bottles?


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[mattmmille]

There was some discussion that there was uncertainty about any natural sugars in the dried hibiscus flowers, but I think it has been shown not to be the case. Should be okay; however, I did find a source online that I was considering ordering from that DID have hibiscus dried with sugar. Just don't make that mistake...check your flowers for any other ingredients!

 

[hopbrad]

ive added hibiscus during bottling as well. no issues with over carbonation

 

[BUCKNUTS]

There was some discussion that there was uncertainty about any natural sugars in the dried hibiscus flowers, but I think it has been shown not to be the case. Should be okay; however, I did find a source online that I was considering ordering from that DID have hibiscus dried with sugar. Just don't make that mistake...check your flowers for any other ingredients!

Great point Matt I've made Aqua de jamaica many times and I've used the hibiscus(jamaica) with added sugar to make it and it could definitely cause carbonation issues.

 

[drboats]

Great point Matt I've made Aqua de jamaica many times and I've used the hibiscus(jamaica) with added sugar to make it and it could definitely cause carbonation issues.

Thanks for the quick replies! I am extremely excited. I've enjoyed hibiscus tea for years and never thought to put it in beer.


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[cmoewes]

I brewed a saison using Nelson and Galaxy and Belle Saison yeast, finally got it kegged and find that it is lacking something. Do you think that you could add the tea straight to the keg? I'll probably brew a test batch to add to a glass (like a berliner wiesse) to make sure it adds what I'm looking for, but do you think it would be ok to do this late?

 

[BUCKNUTS]

I brewed a saison using Nelson and Galaxy and Belle Saison yeast, finally got it kegged and find that it is lacking something. Do you think that you could add the tea straight to the keg? I'll probably brew a test batch to add to a glass (like a berliner wiesse) to make sure it adds what I'm looking for, but do you think it would be ok to do this late?

That should be fine. The second batch I made I added the tea to the keg and racked the beer in to the keg so I cant see why it would be that much difference if you added it now.


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[ChefRex]

I brewed a saison using Nelson and Galaxy and Belle Saison yeast, finally got it kegged and find that it is lacking something. Do you think that you could add the tea straight to the keg? I'll probably brew a test batch to add to a glass (like a berliner wiesse) to make sure it adds what I'm looking for, but do you think it would be ok to do this late?

I add tea and dry hop in the keg, you're good to go.

 

[W0GWT]

I brewed this last weekend. Hit my numbers perfectly. I'm thinking of reusing the yeast cake for something, but I'm not sure. OG is a little high.

Anyone ever do this? If yes, any good recipes? If it matters, I have over 100 lbs of Pilsner malt and 50lbs+ of MO.

 

[mattmmille]

I brewed this last weekend. Hit my numbers perfectly. I'm thinking of reusing the yeast cake for something, but I'm not sure. OG is a little high.

Anyone ever do this? If yes, any good recipes? If it matters, I have over 100 lbs of Pilsner malt and 50lbs+ of MO.

I haven't tried adding wort to a yeast cake yet, but I have harvested Belle Saison yeast from the Hi Nelson w/Hibiscus Saison and pitched it in a Citra Saison and it did a great job! I used this recipe:

http://www.danielshomebrew.blogspot.com/2014/01/citra-saison.html

I used pale malt instead of Pilsner, subbed honey for the Candi Syrup and did a 60 minute boil instead of 90 minute. I think I dry hopped more Citra hops, too. It turned out very well.

 

[W0GWT]

Wow!

 

[BUCKNUTS]

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Wow!

it is a pretty damn attenuative yeast.

 

[basementbrewbrad]

The belle saison does it's job


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[basementbrewbrad]

just mashed in on a 10 gallon batch


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[mattmmille]

Sent a bottle of Hi-Nelson out to member Billy-Klubb. I'm not a trader really, but I had used his base recipe for Scottish Ale to make a Scottish pumpkin ale and, while sending a couple of bottles of that, I sent along a Hi-Nelson.

His comment: "my first ever Hi Nelson from mattmmille. I could drink a gallon of this stuff tonight! I can see why a bunch of you like it so much. great job Matt!"

Passing along kudos to @Fuzzymittenbrewing !!! I've had nothing but positive reviews on this beer!

 

[Fuzzymittenbrewing]

Sent a bottle of Hi-Nelson out to member Billy-Klubb. I'm not a trader really, but I had used his base recipe for Scottish Ale to make a Scottish pumpkin ale and, while sending a couple of bottles of that, I sent along a Hi-Nelson.

His comment: "my first ever Hi Nelson from mattmmille. I could drink a gallon of this stuff tonight! I can see why a bunch of you like it so much. great job Matt!"

Passing along kudos to @Fuzzymittenbrewing !!! I've had nothing but positive reviews on this beer!

That's awesome man, love hearing it. Its my recipe but you brewed it so kudos right back to ya. I have gotten great feedback on this as well. Planning on doing it with a few adjustments in a week or two. I will report results.

 

[basementbrewbrad]

View attachment ImageUploadedByHome Brew1417990696.184115.jpg kegged yesterday here is the hydro sample... Red

 

[BUCKNUTS]

View attachment 240512 kegged yesterday here is the hydro sample... Red

Looks good. Were you happy with the flavor?

 

[basementbrewbrad]

Yep. Second time I have made it. This time I made 10 gallons and added honey malt for some sweetness. Next time I will mash a couple degrees higher

 

[BUCKNUTS]

Yep. Second time I have made it. This time I made 10 gallons and added honey malt for some sweetness. Next time I will mash a couple degrees higher

Nice Ive made it twice as well and added brett brux second time around that was dry and tart but I enjoyed it.

 

[Craigmn]

I made 10 gallons of this using different hops since I couldn't shell out the money for that much on hops.

Just kegged the first 5 gal and the second half is sitting on brett c


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[basementbrewbrad]

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[user 185392]

14 days in the primary and this this tastes pretty good. I used the belle saison yeast and it doesn't seem to have quite as much character as a 3711 but we will see how the final product turns out. Doing a secondary with nelson and hibiscus in a couple days.

 

[Aleaxnedr]

Thx for the recipe. Gonna make it soon

 

[Owly055]

I just got word that a couple of friends are going to get married in June after living together for 30 years...... I'm of course happy for them, but I won't attend the wedding....... I haven't attended a wedding in nearly 40 years and have no intention of breaking that record.

That said, I would like to send a wedding beer, and this one seems like a perfect choice. I'm inclined to include rye in this. June is not far off so I'd better get cracking on a test brew.

Unfortunately...... as usual, I don't have the grains...no flaked grains, plenty of two row plenty of wheat malt and rye malt, no pilsner. For the initial brew, I'll juggle the grain bill around a bit, and use quick oats instead of flaked oats, along with wheat, rye, and two row to shoot for the same SRM. The LHBS is 80 miles away, and I want to brew in a couple of days. I do have the hibiscus and Nelson (which I buy by the pound from Yakima Valley Hops). The trial brew will end up being significantly different in terms of grain bill from the recipe, but the hibiscus and Nelson are the keys anyway.

I am not set up for kegging....... it all adds up to quite a bit of money.... Several kegs, bottles, regulators, taps fittings, kegerator, etc. It adds up to more than the rest of my brewing equipment put together.

Williams offers a product called "tap a draft" which consists of 3 6 liter PET bottles (about 1.5 gallon each), with a serving tap, that includes a CO2 cartridge (for serving only). They also have a ball lock carbonation cap that fits these bottles. I just ordered all the components including after market caps that are said to be better, the ball lock carb cap, and a ball lock fitting to carbonate these. I've got $118.00 including shipping in this.
I have a huge CO2 bottle I can just barely lift....... and I'm no whimp.... regulator, etc for welding that should work just fine to carbonate.

Anybody have any experience with this system?




H.W.

 

[hopbrad]

my buddy has one, he let me borrow it once, the fact that you got some aftermarket stuff for the c02 will help, that was my main complaint. it was cheap plastic and broke.

is this to serve for the wedding? it may be hard to serve and probably come out pretty cloudy from moving it around unless you 2ndary, crash cool and do a super good job on getting everything out of suspension.
a keg, co2 tank, regulator and party tap wouldn't be that much more $$ and way better for that. just plop in it a bucket of ice and the bartender can serve it.
if its for personal, then yea would work nice to stick in your fridge on a shelf.

I just got word that a couple of friends are going to get married in June after living together for 30 years...... I'm of course happy for them, but I won't attend the wedding....... I haven't attended a wedding in nearly 40 years and have no intention of breaking that record.

That said, I would like to send a wedding beer, and this one seems like a perfect choice. I'm inclined to include rye in this. June is not far off so I'd better get cracking on a test brew.

Unfortunately...... as usual, I don't have the grains...no flaked grains, plenty of two row plenty of wheat malt and rye malt, no pilsner. For the initial brew, I'll juggle the grain bill around a bit, and use quick oats instead of flaked oats, along with wheat, rye, and two row to shoot for the same SRM. The LHBS is 80 miles away, and I want to brew in a couple of days. I do have the hibiscus and Nelson (which I buy by the pound from Yakima Valley Hops). The trial brew will end up being significantly different in terms of grain bill from the recipe, but the hibiscus and Nelson are the keys anyway.

I am not set up for kegging....... it all adds up to quite a bit of money.... Several kegs, bottles, regulators, taps fittings, kegerator, etc. It adds up to more than the rest of my brewing equipment put together.

Williams offers a product called "tap a draft" which consists of 3 6 liter PET bottles (about 1.5 gallon each), with a serving tap, that includes a CO2 cartridge (for serving only). They also have a ball lock carbonation cap that fits these bottles. I just ordered all the components including after market caps that are said to be better, the ball lock carb cap, and a ball lock fitting to carbonate these. I've got $118.00 including shipping in this.
I have a huge CO2 bottle I can just barely lift....... and I'm no whimp.... regulator, etc for welding that should work just fine to carbonate.

Anybody have any experience with this system?




H.W.

 

[Owly055]

my buddy has one, he let me borrow it once, the fact that you got some aftermarket stuff for the c02 will help, that was my main complaint. it was cheap plastic and broke.

is this to serve for the wedding? it may be hard to serve and probably come out pretty cloudy from moving it around unless you 2ndary, crash cool and do a super good job on getting everything out of suspension.
a keg, co2 tank, regulator and party tap wouldn't be that much more $$ and way better for that. just plop in it a bucket of ice and the bartender can serve it.
if its for personal, then yea would work nice to stick in your fridge on a shelf.

Thanks for the suggestions..........What attracted me more than anything was the ability to use a CO2 cartridge for serving as a nice compact portable unit. I agree that a keg in a tub of ice would be more desirable, and I will probably go that way eventually. I brew small.... 2.5 gallon, and small kegs cost as much or more than large kegs. These plastic growlers are fairly cheap at $10 a pop. The tap with the CO2 receptacle is expensive at about $40.... If it works decently, I'll probably order more of them. It's perfect for personal use....... It should fit in the fridge easily.
Time will tell how well the system works..... I don't have space for a kegerator. I don't see sediment as being a problem, as I cold crash everything It would definitely be more desirable to be able to stand the jug up for the obvious reason of being able to pack it in ice easily.

H.W.