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[drives_a_bike]

I'm going to do an IPA/IIPA for a buddy's wedding this summer. I'm doing extract and thought this sounded good.

1lb briess caramel 20l
6oz Simpsons naked golden oats
6lbs gold lme
3.15 lbs Pilsen lme
1lb corn sugar

1oz Warrior @ 60
1oz Mosaic @ 10
1oz Simcoe @ 10
1oz Mosaic @ 5
1oz Simcoe @ 5
1oz Mosaic @ flameout

1oz Mosaic 3-5 day dry hop
1oz Simcoe 3-5 day dry hop

Og: 1.075
WLP007 Dry English Ale

 

[jfrank85]

I've heard from several people that it does indeed have a bit of the garlic-onion smell to it.. I haven't used it myself, but will be using it this weekend in an IPA with Amarillo, Simcoe and Chinook.

I used 4oz in my APA and never caught even the slightest whiff of either. I despise onions so it would have defiantly thrown up a red flag if it were there. That's just my individual experience.

 

[sweetcell]

I'm going to do an IPA/IIPA for a buddy's wedding this summer. I'm doing extract and thought this sounded good.

1lb briess caramel 20l
6oz Simpsons naked golden oats
6lbs gold lme
3.15 lbs Pilsen lme
1lb corn sugar

1oz Warrior @ 60
1oz Mosaic @ 10
1oz Simcoe @ 10
1oz Mosaic @ 5
1oz Simcoe @ 5
1oz Mosaic @ flameout

1oz Mosaic 3-5 day dry hop
1oz Simcoe 3-5 day dry hop

Og: 1.075
WLP007 Dry English Ale

oats (naked or otherwise) need to be mashed with some base malt. you can't just steep them.

 

[thaworm69]

Thinking about this..

Mini Mash
3lbs 2 row
.5lbs CaraPils
.5lbs Crystal 60
5lbs Pale LME ~1.054OG

1oz Magnum @ 60
.5oz Simcoe @ 20
1oz Exp. 1210 ("Super Cascade")@15 (Experimental from FHBS)
1oz Mosaic @ 10
1 oz Exp. 1210 ("Super Cascade")@ 5
1 oz Mosaic @ 0
Safale 05
Dryhop with Mosaic/1210

2 Hops I haven't tried nor even smelled yet and won't until brewday, but if I don't feel right about the smell I have Citra/Amarillo/Galaxy ect to replace either. I also haven't calculated any IBUs as of yet, this is just a base plan.

 

[drives_a_bike]

oats (naked or otherwise) need to be mashed with some base malt. you can't just steep them.

Right on, I didn't know that...perhaps I should come up with a partial mash recipe then...I like the idea of the naked oats in there. Thanks!

Maybe cutting out the Pilsen lme and doing 4lbs 2 row...

 

[sweetcell]

Maybe cutting out the Pilsen lme and doing 4lbs 2 row...

yup, that'll work. you could use pilsen malt instead of 2-row, if you want to keep the same malt profile.

 

[thaworm69]

Want to use these hops later today, I have a budget kit I picked up (Partial mash) consisting of 3lbs 2 row, .5lb crystal 40, .5lb crystal 60, and 5lb pale extract. I have a variety of hops to play with. 4+ oz of each. Mosaic, citra, amarillo, galaxy, falconers flight, crystal, warrior, magnum, simcoe, and select. Also that new experimental hops from farmhouse 1210. Was wondering if any of you who have used these could give me an idea of a good hop combo? My OG should come in about 1.054-1.058. Would be pitching Safale-05. Appreciate any feed back. Thanks!

 

[FATC1TY]

I think any of those would work together. I'd cut back on the crystal if I were doing it, but it won't be bad.

Bitter it with Magnum or Warrior, both will be clean and potent. Try FWH with them if you are partial mashing, or a simple 60 min addition.

I'd toss in some Simcoe around 15 minutes, maybe even some Amarillo

10 minutes, I'd do Mosaic, and do atlast an ounce, or 1.5 oz. And an ounce of Amarillo.

7 minutes, toss just some Citra and some Crystal to layer in some of the spice it brings.

5 minutes, I'd do more Mosaic

Flame out, I'd chill to 180-170 or so, and stop. Add something like Mosaic and something else... Let them steep.. Stir it around for around 10-15 minutes. Then continue chilling.

If you want to dry hop, I'd say the Citra, Galaxy, Simcoe, and the FF all sounds great in there. Could keep it simple and do a little simcoe and the FF, as it has most all of the big citrusy hops in there, and would cover all your bases.

 

[Montanaandy]

I have had a chance to use Mosaic in a few different brews with different hop and yeast combinations and I am finding that it works very well in combination with many other high alpha hops. Paired it with some Aussie/NZ high alpha hops (Galaxy, etc.) and a neutral yeast and it turned out great. Also tried it with Simcoe, Amarillo, Centennial, Columbus + neutral yeast and also had good results. Curiously I threw some into a batch of what is essentially a 3F Zombie Dust clone (all Citra + British Ale yeast) and don't really care for it all that much. There is a definite off flavor that is coming through although I didn't think about whether it was oniony when I was drinking it but it is definitely there. The beer still needs to condition a bit more so hopefully it will be eliminated with time. All in all a really nice hop that is a welcome addition.

 

[thaworm69]

I think any of those would work together. I'd cut back on the crystal if I were doing it, but it won't be bad.

Bitter it with Magnum or Warrior, both will be clean and potent. Try FWH with them if you are partial mashing, or a simple 60 min addition.

I'd toss in some Simcoe around 15 minutes, maybe even some Amarillo

10 minutes, I'd do Mosaic, and do atlast an ounce, or 1.5 oz. And an ounce of Amarillo.

7 minutes, toss just some Citra and some Crystal to layer in some of the spice it brings.

5 minutes, I'd do more Mosaic

Flame out, I'd chill to 180-170 or so, and stop. Add something like Mosaic and something else... Let them steep.. Stir it around for around 10-15 minutes. Then continue chilling.

If you want to dry hop, I'd say the Citra, Galaxy, Simcoe, and the FF all sounds great in there. Could keep it simple and do a little simcoe and the FF, as it has most all of the big citrusy hops in there, and would cover all your bases.

I would like to cut back the crystal as well, but this is a prepackaged kit from AHS. Thanks for the input though guys. I'll let you know what I go with. For you're help you may wanna check out FHBS I just seen they listed pounds of a "popular" hop via facebook. Got myself one :rockin:

Edit: They had amarillo, but they sold out pretty quick

 

[thaworm69]

Mashing now
Think i'm gonna go with:
1oz Magnum @ 60
1oz Simcoe @ 15
1.5oz Mosaic @ 10
1oz Amarillo @ 10
1oz Citra @ 5
1 oz Mosaic @ 0
1oz Amarillo @ 0

 

[FATC1TY]

I would like to cut back the crystal as well, but this is a prepackaged kit from AHS. Thanks for the input though guys. I'll let you know what I go with. For you're help you may wanna check out FHBS I just seen they listed pounds of a "popular" hop via facebook. Got myself one :rockin:

Edit: They had amarillo, but they sold out pretty quick

Appreciate the heads up. I had a metric ton of hops in the freezer, but I saw they had Citra, and I only had about a pound of it, so I got another 2 pounds, along with some Citra leaf, and some Columbus I need for my HT clone.

I saw the Amarillo, but I have 2+ LB's of pellet and leaf, each, and figured it was short enough for people so I skipped it! My favorite hop for sure.

 

[FATC1TY]

Mashing now
Think i'm gonna go with:
1oz Magnum @ 60
1oz Simcoe @ 15
1.5oz Mosaic @ 10
1oz Amarillo @ 10
1oz Citra @ 5
1 oz Mosaic @ 0
1oz Amarillo @ 0

I like it!!

Maybe pop it with some Mosaic at 5, .5 oz or so.. Unless you are saving it for a Dry hop. I'm thinking Mosaic and Amarillo in the dry hop.. Yes sir!!

Good luck..

 

[jfrank85]

Mosaic has ALOT! of citrus notes. I was floored when I first cracked open my bottle of mosaic pale. I think it would pair nicely with a nice spicy, fruity, dank hop. Something like a simcoe, chinook, mosaic or even a columbus, amarillo, mosaic would work well. It is super clean, refreshing and crisp as well.

 

[thaworm69]

I pitched the yeast a half hour ago. I planned the dryhop with Amarillo and Mosaic. Looking forward to this one.

 

[jfrank85]

I pitched the yeast a half hour ago. I planned the dryhop with Amarillo and Mosaic. Looking forward to this one.

That's going to be one stellar beer

 

[thaworm69]

That's going to be one stellar beer

I hope so!

 

[bellmtbbq]

Experimental IPA sunday, 2.5 gallon batch. Ounce of Mosaic, Galaxy, and Caliente.

 

[jfrank85]

I've had a few chilling in the beer fridge for about 2 days. I get alot of stone fruit (peach, nectarines, and apricot) aromas and flavors. Take a peach and mix it with an orange, this is what you'll get. I feel this specific hop would do very well in a wheat beer or maybe a saison even.

 

[thaworm69]

I've had a few chilling in the beer fridge for about 2 days. I get alot of stone fruit (peach, nectarines, and apricot) aromas and flavors. Take a peach and mix it with an orange, this is what you'll get. I feel this specific hop would do very well in a wheat beer or maybe a saison even.

Sounds like it might also do well in a Rye beer as well. I can't wait to get my mash tun so I can start AG. It gets a bit pricey trying to play around with extracts as I don't have a LHBS. NB I believe has a Rye LME though. I decided on opening the experimental hops I recently purchased and gave em a whiff. I think they will play well with Mosaic as well, but then again I can't be sure. But I'm thinking I will use them, some Mosaic, and Galaxy next.

 

[Bsquared]

Im really happy with this one, 1oz of Mosaic in the whirlpool, It has a good aroma and flavor of blueberry that is accented well with the citrus and dank from the Chinook dry hopping. I think this combination is better as a pale ale than if i upped the amounts for an IPA.

 

[FATC1TY]

I tried a hydro sample of my Mosaic IPA. Can't remember what the hell I put in there, but I know I had a fair bit of Mosaic. I think I used just Chinook, Simcoe and Amarillo, and maybe some Belma, with the balance being toward Mosaic.

Pretty fruity.. Maybe a bit too much. Will probably hit it with some Columbus or Chinook with some Mosaic to boot.

Anyways.. It was sweet, but wasn't done, it's at 1.012 from 1.060, so it needs a couple more points, atleast to 1.010.

 

[jfrank85]

I tried a hydro sample of my Mosaic IPA. Can't remember what the hell I put in there, but I know I had a fair bit of Mosaic. I think I used just Chinook, Simcoe and Amarillo, and maybe some Belma, with the balance being toward Mosaic.

Pretty fruity.. Maybe a bit too much. Will probably hit it with some Columbus or Chinook with some Mosaic to boot.

Anyways.. It was sweet, but wasn't done, it's at 1.012 from 1.060, so it needs a couple more points, atleast to 1.010.

I noticed that as well at first. Give it a few weeks in bottles and cold conditioning, it'll become alot better. The overly tartness of the fruit will fade leaving a nice crisp finish.

 

[bulldawgbrewer]

I ended up going a little crazy with my late and dry hops-

Whirlpool hop steep:
1oz Mosaic
1oz Falconer's Flight
2oz Simcoe

1st Dry Hop (pellets in hop bag in secondary for 4 days):
1oz Mosaic
.5oz Falconer's Flight

2nd Dry Hop (removed 1st bag and replaced):
1oz Mosaic
1oz Simcoe

3rd Dry Hop (racked to keg and dry hopped in keg for 3 days):
1oz Mosaic


Initially I'm getting loads of citrus fruit from both the aroma and flavor...mainly tangerine and orange, but I'm also getting some blueberry and even pineapple as it warms. It definitely has a very complex and pungent hop aroma, but mostly citrus fruit. This beer is VERY green, so these flavors may change/meld/etc. I'm curious to see how this one turns out after a few weeks in the keg, but for now its already DELICIOUS!

 

[drives_a_bike]

So I changed my whole plan once I got the new byo magazine and saw the honey basil pale ale recipe.

This is what I have and I think it would work nicely.

4lbs briess 2 row
1lbs gambrinus honey malt
1lbs briess caramel 10L
1lbs flaked oats

6lbs Pilsen lme
1lbs Pilsen dme

1oz summit @ 60
2oz mosaic @ 10
3oz basil @ 10
.5lbs honey @ 10

1oz mosaic 7 day dry hop

It's my first partial mash recipe, and im not sure what temps to mash at and whatnot, but My buddy I brew with has done a bunch of them. He may have some answers, but I thought I'd see what people thought of this.

 

[FATC1TY]

Wow... #1 of honey malt, plus #1 of crystal?

No offense, but that doesn't sound very good.. Was that a recipe in BYO, or did you make that up?

 

[drives_a_bike]

Wow... #1 of honey malt, plus #1 of crystal?

No offense, but that doesn't sound very good.. Was that a recipe in BYO, or did you make that up?

No, I'm just saying that's what I have on hand...sorry, I guess I didn't make that clear at all.

Any thoughts on how much of what I should use?

And no, this isn't the recipe from byo...I thought I'd try my own take on the idea...the byo recipe doesn't use honey malt, just the .5lbs of honey at 10 minutes and I've brewed enough beer with honey to know it doesn't ever leave a honey flavor. So I'm trying something new.

 

[FATC1TY]

I would not go over .5# of honey malt, IMO. Cut the crystal out of you are using the honey malt as well.

Also- I've been told honey malt needs to be mashed as well if you are doing extract, so.. YMMV. I'm all grain so I haven't really confirmed it if matters or not. Some will say you can steep it like a crystal malt.

 

[bulldawgbrewer]

So I changed my whole plan once I got the new byo magazine and saw the honey basil pale ale recipe.

This is what I have and I think it would work nicely.

4lbs briess 2 row
1lbs gambrinus honey malt
1lbs briess caramel 10L
1lbs flaked oats

6lbs Pilsen lme
1lbs Pilsen dme

1oz summit @ 60
2oz mosaic @ 10
3oz basil @ 10
.5lbs honey @ 10

1oz mosaic 7 day dry hop

It's my first partial mash recipe, and im not sure what temps to mash at and whatnot, but My buddy I brew with has done a bunch of them. He may have some answers, but I thought I'd see what people thought of this.

I think that 1# each of honey and crystal 10 would be fine in this grain bill. Reason being is that each only accounts for roughly 6% of the total grain bill (if you include the extract). With a bigger beer you need more specialty grain. If this was a lighter pale ale, say 1.050 OG, then I would definitely be adding less specialty grains. That's why I think it's better to deal in percentages of the grain bill, not pounds (like pro brewers do).

 

[drives_a_bike]

I think that 1# each of honey and crystal 10 would be fine in this grain bill. Reason being is that each only accounts for roughly 6% of the total grain bill (if you include the extract). With a bigger beer you need more specialty grain. If this was a lighter pale ale, say 1.050 OG, then I would definitely be adding less specialty grains. That's why I think it's better to deal in percentages of the grain bill, not pounds (like pro brewers do).

Perfect! Thanks bulldawgbrewer, that's what I was thinking when I plugged it all into brew pal.