HBT NFL '08 thread

[Matt_D]

bye bye Millen

 

[ohiobrewtus]

I'm doing the freaking happy dance. I checked first thing this morning and there was no news of him getting canned. Now I'm a happy dude.

Of course this will not change the fortunes of the team for at least another 2 or 3 seasons, but it's a much needed change. If old man Ford really wants to turn this team around he'll pull bring Kevin Colbert back to the Lions (current Steelers personnel guy), bring Holmgren in as GM, or throw so much moiney at Scott Pioli that he won't be able to say no.

I think this calls for some 'naners.

 

[the_bird]

Pioli's probably the best GM/quasi-GM in the league. I'm pretty sure they'd have to promise him basically full autonomy before the Pats would be obligated to let them talk to him, though. Losing Scott would really, really, REALLY suck.

 

[ohiobrewtus]

Pioli's probably the best GM/quasi-GM in the league. I'm pretty sure they'd have to promise him basically full autonomy before the Pats would be obligated to let them talk to him, though. Losing Scott would really, really, REALLY suck.

Old Man Ford gave complete control to a dupe like Millen. If they hire someone (instead of promoting assistant GM Martin Mayhew), that person will come in with total and complete control, and make $5mill a year.

I know you're not... but I'm certainly hoping that they make a run at Pioli.

 

[HVBrewtality]

They could offer the job to one of those old school clapping monkey toys and the Lions would improve

 

[ohiobrewtus]

They could offer the job to one of those old school clapping monkey toys and the Lions would improve

You will get no argument from me on this.

 

[MgMt_Home_Brew]

How about the NFC East getting some serious respect these days...

NFC East dominates the weekly rankings

I can't wait until the G-Men play Dallas and Philly. The Hype is gona be huge if things stay the way they are. Not to mention I think I am lined up to go to those games

 

[HVBrewtality]

How about the NFC East getting some serious respect these days...

NFC East dominates the weekly rankings

I can't wait until the G-Men play Dallas and Philly. The Hype is gona be huge if things stay the way they are. Not to mention I think I am lined up to go to those games

I am so jealous of you if you do get to go to either of those games.

 

[MgMt_Home_Brew]

I am so jealous of you if you do get to go to either of those games.

My old man is a season ticket holder, upper deck 46 yard line. He just devorced my step mom so now I pretty much have first picks at what games I want to go too which is awesome.... sort of.... except for the whole devorce thing. But yeah I am lucky thats for sure.

What I found interesting when looking at the schedule is that the Giants don't play Dallas or Philly till November and then it seems like non stop divisional games

 

[HVBrewtality]

My old man is a season ticket holder, upper deck 46 yard line. He just devorced my step mom so now I pretty much have first picks at what games I want to go too which is awesome.... sort of.... except for the whole devorce thing. But yeah I am lucky thats for sure.

What I found interesting when looking at the schedule is that the Giants don't play Dallas or Philly till November and then it seems like non stop divisional games

You don't understand though... I moved to California from NYC. I don't have DirecTV so I watch Giants football games on nfl.com through the stupid box score crap. Actually seeing a Giants game on TV, let alone in person when they are playing Philly or Dallas is a DREAM!

 

[MgMt_Home_Brew]

You don't understand though... I moved to California from NYC. I don't have DirecTV so I watch Giants football games on nfl.com through the stupid box score crap. Actually seeing a Giants game on TV, let alone in person when they are playing Philly or Dallas is a DREAM!

Oh man that must be brutal. I sort of felt your pain this weekend because I was in Boston visiting my lady friend. The pats game was on at the same time and both games were being carried by CBS so it wasn't being broadcasted But my girlfriend called up some bars and found one that was playing the game!!! I was so excited. When I got there the guy at the door was like "what did Boston get taken over by Giants fans?" so I told him it wasn't on TV so then he said "Oh so you guys didn't have a coice but to come out".

I was expecting a lot of **** from Bostonians cause I was wearing my superbowl champions t-shirt (I do everytime I am in Boston) but it was great because there were so many giants fans at the bar.

 

[Flyin' Lion]

Well, here I was ready to start a new thread celebrating Millen's exit from the Lions, but I see that it was covered here.


The two happiest days for a Lions fan: when a new coach/GM comes in and when he goes out.

 

[ohiobrewtus]

Well, here I was ready to start a new thread celebrating Millen's exit from the Lions, but I see that it was covered here.


The two happiest days for a Lions fan: when a new coach/GM comes in and when he goes out.

This is only half the battle though. Now they need to clean the rest of the house and REALLY start over for '09.

Somehow someone already posted a video on Youtube of Millen leaving Allen Park with boxes of his things. Dude does not look happy:

watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU&feature=related

 

[the_bird]

You know, I don't particularly care for the Lions, but this is good news. Millen was a joke. He never should have gotten the job, and what exactly was their justification for keeping him on? The Lions are just in bad, bad shape... what exactly do you guys have to build around? Kevin Smith? I mean, he's pretty much sucked since "Chasing Amy"

 

[pdavidc]

Kevin Smith? I mean, he's pretty much sucked since "Chasing Amy"

Interesting movie...


GO BEARS!!!

 

[ohiobrewtus]

You know, I don't particularly care for the Lions, but this is good news. Millen was a joke. He never should have gotten the job, and what exactly was their justification for keeping him on? The Lions are just in bad, bad shape... what exactly do you guys have to build around? Kevin Smith? I mean, he's pretty much sucked since "Chasing Amy"

Here's my totally uneducated opinion on what the Lions need to do:

• Start Drew Stanton (2nd round pick last year from Michigan State) after the bye week to find out of the kid can play or if you need to spend your high '09 draft pick on a QB.
• Start talking to potential candidates who are out of football immediately. Floyd Reese (former GM of the Titans) Ted Sundquist (Former GM of the Broncos), and Bill Cowher.
• Immediately start talking to teams about trading Roy Williams and John Kitna. Get as much for them as you can. If no one will give up a 1st for Williams, keep him and let the future GM decide whether or not to franchise Roy Williams.
• At the end of the season, fire Tom Lewand (the Lions COO and cap guy), Martin Mayhew (asst. GM), then begin the process of obtaining permission to talk to Scott Pioli and Kevin Colbert, and bring in Mike Holmgren.
• Let the GM fire the entire coaching staff and the entire scouting staff. Let him bring in his own coach (my vote is for Jason Garrett, OC and asst. head coach of the Cowboys).
• Cut almost everyone. Keep Jason Hanson, Drew Stanton, Kevin Smith, Ernie Sims, Cory Redding, Calvin Johnson and maybe a few other random recently drafted players because they're cheap, then start REALLY rebuilding. Plan on being terrible for 2 years while building through the draft and adding key people via FA.

 

[HVBrewtality]

Here's my totally uneducated opinion on what the Lions need to do:

• Start Drew Stanton (2nd round pick last year from Michigan State) after the bye week to find out of the kid can play or if you need to spend your high '09 draft pick on a QB.
• Start talking to potential candidates who are out of football immediately. Floyd Reese (former GM of the Titans) Ted Sundquist (Former GM of the Broncos), and Bill Cowher.
• Immediately start talking to teams about trading Roy Williams and John Kitna. Get as much for them as you can. If no one will give up a 1st for Williams, keep him and let the future GM decide whether or not to franchise Roy Williams.
• At the end of the season, fire Tom Lewand (the Lions COO and cap guy), Martin Mayhew (asst. GM), then begin the process of obtaining permission to talk to Scott Pioli and Kevin Colbert, and bring in Mike Holmgren.
• Let the GM fire the entire coaching staff and the entire scouting staff. Let him bring in his own coach (my vote is for Jason Garrett, OC and asst. head coach of the Cowboys).
• Cut almost everyone. Keep Jason Hanson, Drew Stanton, Kevin Smith, Ernie Sims, Cory Redding, Calvin Johnson and maybe a few other random recently drafted players because they're cheap, then start REALLY rebuilding. Plan on being terrible for 2 years while building through the draft and adding key people via FA.

at first, i read this and thought "wait! your plan is to comepletely gut the entire organization?"

but now that i think about it, that's what it will take.

 

[olllllo]

1) Get new Owners
2) Get rid of the Dome.
3) Get rid of the Dome.

 

[user 574]

1) Get new Owners
2) Get rid of the Dome.
3) Get rid of the Dome.

Plus 1. You are doomed to failure until you start playing in the elements like real men. Ignore the St Louis and Indy anomaly of a championship win.

 

[HBHoss]

I'm glad the Bolts seem to have put things together. They looked good and in sync Monday night.

"GO CHARGERS"

 

[Flyin' Lion]

1) Get new Owners
2) Get rid of the Dome.
3) Get rid of the Dome.

I completely agree, I was really disappointed when I found out the new stadium was going to be a dome. Just across the street is the Tigers' stadium (open) and I think they wanted the dome so they could host other events (plus the SuperBowl--you'll never see a SuperBowl played in Green Bay).

 

[ohiobrewtus]

They just built Ford Field 5 years ago, it's not going anywhere.

 

[Lil' Sparky]

Let the GM fire the entire coaching staff and the entire scouting staff. Let him bring in his own coach (my vote is for Jason Garrett, OC and asst. head coach of the Cowboys).

Garrett's great, and thankfully I don't think he's going anywhere. He could already be in a head coaching job this year, but he knows he's next in line as the Cowboys head coach. The Cowboys made it clear that that's why they made him asst. head coach and are paying him WAY more than any other OC in the league.

 

[MgMt_Home_Brew]

I'm glad the Bolts seem to have put things together. They looked good and in sync Monday night.

"GO CHARGERS"

I like on ESPN everyone is saying how the great teams in the AFC seem like they are the Chargers and the Broncos. Their reasoning behind this is that their offense scores a lot of points. But what bothers me is that yeah the chargers offense is scoring lots of points but they still lost two games. Ok they should have won them due to some bad call but that doesn't change the fact that their deffense allowed the other team to score as many points as they did. Teams that have allowed the most points this season are the Broncos, Chargers, Rams, and the Lions... Deffense wins championships.

NFL Stats: by Team Category

And yeah they beat the jets monday night, but they are the jets and they still let them score 29 points!

 

[the_bird]

I'm not going to trust San Diego until they prove it in the playoffs. They always seem to implode at the least-opportune times. Losing Merriman, as much of as ass as he is, is a huge deal with respect to them being in the league's real elite.

 

[olllllo]

I'm not going to trust San Diego until they prove it in the playoffs. They always seem to implode at the least-opportune times.

You feel the same about Dallas? Haven't won in the playoffs with Romo.
(since Aikman?)

 

[Lil' Sparky]

You feel the same about Dallas? Haven't won in the playoffs with Romo.
(since Aikman?)

That's how I feel about them. I think any team has to prove their greatness by winning when it counts. Dallas hasn't done that since the Troy/Emmit/Michael era.

 

[MgMt_Home_Brew]

I think any team has to prove their greatness by winning when it counts.

Like the World Champion New York Giants?

Sorry I couldn't help myself.

 

[Lil' Sparky]

You're absolutely right. The G-men came up HUGE when it counted last year. They beat who I thought were the two best teams in the league during the playoffs (Dallas and NE). That made them great.

 

[olllllo]

Spark, I totally thought you'd throw the GB (all of 'em) losses to DAL in my face. I won't feel like GB has taken a step up until they get that monkey off their back.
(Notwithstanding the win at Lambeau a few years back.)