Got a keg, riddled with guilt...

[olllllo]

Again, what do you want me to do with a keg that the brewery and distributor refuse to take back? Seriously.

Brew with it.

If you don't answer the question of whether you planned on taking it for the deposit, then I'm going to have to assume that that is what you did.

If that's what you did, then brew with it.

But don't tell everyone here it's a perfectly acceptable thing to do.

 

[Synovia]

Brew with it.

If you don't answer the question of whether you planned on taking it for the deposit, then I'm going to have to assume that that is what you did.

If that's what you did, then brew with it.

But don't tell everyone here it's a perfectly acceptable thing to do.

In my mind, if they're refusing to take it back, its perfectly acceptable.


I'm not saying people should go out and steal the damn things, but in my mind, if you try to return it, you've done all you can.

 

[springer]

Duchesse isn't owned by Inbev, I don't think, so this is a circumstance where the distro is not acting on the breweries behalf. This is not the same as not taking a local keg back to a local brewery.

No local brewery around here. Closest is in Newark NJ. they are not owned buy Inbev but they are their agent in the area and the only one who can sell inbev products to local bars stores etc in the territory so in effect they are a branch of inbev.And that keg was from their place had stickers all over it to that effect

my kegs are all legal and they look it pretty banged up and one I bought the top was smashed . Moot point now as they will be collecting dust cause I am going to brew pots.

 

[cheezydemon3]

He bought it from an individual...did you read the OP?

Maybe you mean someone else.

 

[COLObrewer]

. . . . .yea, . . . I'm gonna have to get me some more . . . . .

 

[olllllo]

He bought it from an individual...did you read the OP?

Maybe you mean someone else.

The OP is not making the deposit = sale argument, someone else is.

 

[zanemoseley]

I called the local Budweiser distributor and asked the receptionist if they ever get damaged or decomissioned kegs, she said no but transferred me to the warehouse manager and he said the send them all back. I asked him if he knew where I could get one for brewing and he flat out told me to pay the deposit and keep it lol, it wasn't like I was twisting his arm.

 

[mordantly]

so let me see if i got this straight:

a deposit on a sanke is like $40 here. that doesn't replace the keg? i bet a brewery has a mass-volume arrangement or they would charge more for deposit.

 

[olllllo]

Can't answer you without requiring you to read.

http://bruery.blogspot.com/2007/06/kegs.html

One solution is higher keg deposits. Current deposit amounts in California are about $15 per keg, about 10% of the cost of a replacement keg. This is not high enough to thwart theft, but charging $50 or even $100 is impractical when other brewers continue charging a nominal amount. Deposit fees are generally set by the big guys, as retailers don't see why craft brewers can charge $50 keg deposits while Budweiser is charging only $15 for the same keg. As a large multinational corporation, Budweiser and other large brewers are better able to absorb the cost than the local craft brewer. Many retailers are just concerned with cost, and charging a higher keg deposit makes craft beer a less profitable prospect as it ties up their cash.

In MI, WI, NY among others, deposit charges are controlled by the state.

 

[mordantly]

im just stirrign the pot. however the only two kegs i've bought had a $30 or $40 dep. maybe it justs fat tire and sn..

 

[Soulrebel]

"Current deposit amounts in California are about $15 per keg" Not around these parts of Kalifonia. $50 accrossed the board, BMC to SN.

 

[ReeseAllen]

So what's the cheapest ethical way to get your hands on an old Sanke keg for making into a keggle? I already found a source for my first: it turns out I happen to know a guy who has one in his garage that he's going to trade me for some homebrew. Apparently it's been in there for decades...there's gotta be some statute of limitations here, right?

 

[buzzkill]

its funny how many people will tell you they have one sitting in the back of the garage thats been there for umpteen years when you put the word out that you are looking for one. I got one like this and a line on another.

 

[BarleyWater]

So what's the cheapest ethical way to get your hands on an old Sanke keg for making into a keggle? I already found a source for my first: it turns out I happen to know a guy who has one in his garage that he's going to trade me for some homebrew. Apparently it's been in there for decades...there's gotta be some statute of limitations here, right?

Go to your local craft brewery and ask them if they have any that aren't good any more. We have a few that are no good, and they're just collecting dust in the corner. If someone offered us a few bucks for them they're theirs.

so let me see if i got this straight:

a deposit on a sanke is like $40 here. that doesn't replace the keg? i bet a brewery has a mass-volume arrangement or they would charge more for deposit.

Buying in bulk does get you a small discount, but for the palate of 20 slim kegs (1/6 bbl) we bought earlier today, we paid about $90 a piece, the larger ones are more. Most breweries/distributors don't charge the full price for deposit, because much fewer people would be willing to take kegs home if they had to pay $125 on top of the price of the keg whether they get the deposit back or not.

its funny how many people will tell you they have one sitting in the back of the garage thats been there for umpteen years when you put the word out that you are looking for one. I got one like this and a line on another.

Those are probably not legally theirs either, they've just been forgotten about for longer.

 

[mordantly]

its a hard spot for everyone, thats for sure. the scrap yards sell them for $2/#. they must weigh 30#? so if i needed some, i would probably do that if firestone wouldnt sell me any rejects.

 

[shek]

The bear is seriously sh*tting everywhere...I make a reference to the deposit to test fly the chopper in Clear and Present Danger, and what do yah know, the movie is on TV tonight...WTF?!?!?!

 

[Synovia]

The OP is not making the deposit = sale argument, someone else is.

Who would that be?

 

[Boondoggie]

So at what point does the keg become abandoned propery as opposed to stolen?

Or do breweries posses magical property rights? heck, even an abandoned car has a process for tferring the title of an abandoned car.

 

[springer]

Can't answer you without requiring you to read.




In MI, WI, NY among others, deposit charges are controlled by the state.

75 $ here and that's per keg so if you get 3 1/4 kegs its 225 $ and they want cash. And after 90 days you are SOL no return of the deposit.

Go to your local craft brewery and ask them if they have any that aren't good any more. We have a few that are no good, and they're just collecting dust in the corner. If someone offered us a few bucks for them they're theirs.




Buying in bulk does get you a small discount, but for the palate of 20 slim kegs (1/6 bbl) we bought earlier today, we paid about $90 a piece, the larger ones are more. Most breweries/distributors don't charge the full price for deposit, because much fewer people would be willing to take kegs home if they had to pay $125 on top of the price of the keg whether they get the deposit back or not.



Those are probably not legally theirs either, they've just been forgotten about for longer.

I can get 1/2 barrels new for $130 and change thats without the spear from Schaefer kegs . And I would bet when AB calls in an order they buy a few thousand at a time so their price would be lower.

 

[buzzkill]

you are right, the keg I'm after was stolen. the guy never took it back after his high school grad party. but he is 40 years old now and I doubt it would be worth trying to clean,if it could be cleaned at all. so I dont feel bad about it,but I try to not get shaddy things. having said that,kegs should be taken back.

 

[Synovia]

you are right, the keg I'm after was stolen. the guy never took it back after his high school grad party. but he is 40 years old now and I doubt it would be worth trying to clean,if it could be cleaned at all. so I dont feel bad about it,but I try to not get shaddy things. having said that,kegs should be taken back.

They probably wouldn't take that keg back anyways.

 

[springer]

this is the email I received from Schaefer for new kegs.

Hi Mark, thank you for your interest in our product. All our kegs ship from Buffalo, NY.

All kegs have Micro-Matic Draught (sanky) fitting.

15.5 gal / 58.6 litre Stainless Steel keg - $135.70

13.2 gal / 50.0 litre Stainless Steel keg - $140.00

5.16 gal / 19.5 litre ECO keg = $89.99

USED 30 litre PLUS kegs - $35.00 each

5.16 gal / 19.5 litre PLUS keg BLACK = $99.95,
5.16 gal / 19.5 litre PLUS keg BLUE = $99.95

3.85 gal / 15.0 litre freshKEG RR with Draught fitting & built in gas chamber = $127.50
2.95 gal / 11..3 litre freshKEG RR with Draught fitting & built in gas chamber = $122.50

freshKEG, Stainless steel Tap = $57.00
freshKEG Preset regulator = $33.45
freshKEG draft/sanky 'T'coupler = $35.20

All kegs are shipped once payment is received.

Please let me know if I can be of future assistance

Always drink fresh Draught

Richard Wagner

President - Keg Club Inc. / Schaefer Kegs NA
Tel 519 751 1201

High quality Schaefer containers for any application.....

If I had to do it all over I would have just bought three new kegs from the start.

 

[BarleyWater]

Yup, that's where we get ours, we got a pallet of these yesterday.

5.16 gal / 19.5 litre ECO keg = $89.99

$2 bucks off each for getting more than 20

We also got some of those 2.95 gallon fresh kegs for our liquor store accounts. I brought one home last weekend and it was a neat little keg, stays fresh indefinitely.

 

[cheezydemon3]

Yup, that's where we get ours, we got a pallet of these yesterday.


$2 bucks off each for getting more than 20

We also got some of those 2.95 gallon fresh kegs for our liquor store accounts. I brought one home last weekend and it was a neat little keg, stays fresh indefinitely.

Showoff!!!

 

[rico567]

Sounds to me like the OP bought the keg in good faith. Nevertheless, there's a gray area. Second nevertheless, he's in a state where any further disposition of the keg could be problematic.

The alternatives I see are: 1. You can live with keeping the keg; so get busy with that plasma torch. 2. You can't live with it; junk it and write off the money you spent.

 

[shroomzofdoom]

I may be new here...but isn't this really just an extension of the milk crate/shopping cart conundrum?

If he stole it, that would not be cool--if he paid for it unwittingly in an honest purchase and found out later that's a different story.

Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

 

[Scut_Monkey]

Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

GI JOE!

 

[Synovia]

2. You can't live with it; junk it and write off the money you spent.

thats even worse than using it from a morality standpoint.

 

[McKBrew]

Another one of these keg ethics threads.

Funny how some people will get all worked up about a keg, but will bend over backward to justify their illegal download of movies, games, music, etc....

It may be unethical or illegal to possess a certain keg. But if you exhaust every means to return it, or if the person who sold it tells you it is legit, how far do you really need to go to be ethical?

If you are going to apply an ethical argument to something, you'd better apply it all the way across the board. If you find $10 bucks in the store, do you pocket it or try to return it? Is it OK to steal music online because the RIA is a bunch of thugs, but then it's wrong to get a keg that has been sitting in someone's garage for ten years?

You cannot in good faith say that it's not OK to steal from an industry you like, but totally OK to steal from one you despise.

 

[shek]

Another one of these keg ethics threads.

Funny how some people will get all worked up about a keg, but will bend over backward to justify their illegal download of movies, games, music, etc....

It may be unethical or illegal to possess a certain keg. But if you exhaust every means to return it, or if the person who sold it tells you it is legit, how far do you really need to go to be ethical?

If you are going to apply an ethical argument to something, you'd better apply it all the way across the board. If you find $10 bucks in the store, do you pocket it or try to return it? Is it OK to steal music online because the RIA is a bunch of thugs, but then it's wrong to get a keg that has been sitting in someone's garage for ten years?

You cannot in good faith say that it's not OK to steal from an industry you like, but totally OK to steal from one you despise.

All of my kegs happen to be from a brewery that has and will continue to get most of the money I spend on commercial beer. This was completely by chance, but I do wonder if there's a bit of karma there.