Gainesville, FL

[ghpeel]

I would also attach a picture of my balls in that email.

Lol, very tempting. Here's his exact words:

"...Do not use plastic hoses, try to ferment in glass, samitize."

Do you think he is saying for me to replace my hoses, maybe because there's a bug in them? Or am I giving him too much credit.

 

[mullenite]

Lol, very tempting. Here's his exact words:

"...Do not use plastic hoses, try to ferment in glass, samitize."

Do you think he is saying for me to replace my hoses, maybe because there's a bug in them? Or am I giving him too much credit.

Maybe he thinks silicone hoses are needed for everything?

As for fermenting in glass... mine was fermented in plastic and I received no such comment.

How the hell does someone score a 43 and not place? There must have been some amazing beers there...

 

[ghpeel]

WHOAH. Check this. One of the Hogtown Brewers placed with THIRTEEN beers?!?!

http://www.hogtownbrewers.org/Brewoff/BrewoffFrames.html
Look for "Darryl Kochaniec"

WHAT. THE. ****. Jamil Z probably couldn't have place 13 beers in 12 categories. Yup, he placed FIRST AND SECOND in Smoked/Wood-aged Beers. Seriously?

They don't list the scores of the beers that placed, unfortunately. I thought it was weird that I didn't place with a 37/40 on a Weizenbock but Barron not placing with a 43 Bitter is f*cking nuts.

Look at 2009 and you'll see a lot of the same names this year.

 

[chefchris]

WHOAH. Check this. One of the Hogtown Brewers placed with THIRTEEN beers?!?!

http://www.hogtownbrewers.org/Brewoff/BrewoffFrames.html
Look for "Darryl Kochaniec"

WHAT. THE. ****. Jamil Z probably couldn't have place 13 beers in 12 categories. Yup, he placed FIRST AND SECOND in Smoked/Wood-aged Beers. Seriously?

They don't list the scores of the beers that placed, unfortunately. I thought it was weird that I didn't place with a 37/40 on a Weizenbock but Barron not placing with a 43 Bitter is f*cking nuts.

Look at 2009 and you'll see a lot of the same names this year.

yup, that comp is definitely rigged. Knowing how much they care about club points (which are earned at competitions), it's no surprise. If you're a member they pay 100% of the cost for you to enter a competition. Shipping, entry fees, everything. Every time someone from a club places, that club gets a point depending on the place they take.


Copied directly from their site:

2010 Results

HIGH POINT CLUBS

Hogtown Brewers

Tampa Bay Beers

Central Florida Home Brewers

2009 Results

HIGH POINT CLUBS

Hogtown Brewers

Central Florida Home Brewers

Tampa Bay Beers

Showing some humbleness in 2008

HIGH POINT CLUBS

1st - Tampa Bay Beers

2nd - Hogtown Brewers

3rd - Central Florida Home Brewers

2007 Results

HIGH POINT CLUBS

1st - Hogtown Brewers

2nd - Central Florida Homebrewers

3rd - Tampa Bay Beers

It's a waste of time and money entering that competition. I'd send them an e-mail asking the scores of the other beers in that category without telling them your name.

 

[nextday]

Hey guys, Alex here!

I finally found the thread you guys are all on. At least I am assuming it is the right one. Can't be too far off when Chris is telling people he will email pictures of his balls to judges.

 

[chefchris]

Hey guys, Alex here!

I finally found the thread you guys are all on. At least I am assuming it is the right one. Can't be too far off when Chris is telling people he will email pictures of his balls to judges.

Which Alex?

Priess or Bologna?

 

[ghpeel]

Oh hi Alex!

 

[elmetal]

Hey mullenite question for you

did you go to gator beverages on Wednesday night?

 

[elmetal]

I mean Tuesday night

 

[mullenite]

Wasn't me. I have been going to tipple's as it's closer to my house.

 

[chefchris]

Wasn't me. I have been going to tipple's as it's closer to my house.

I win.

 

[mullenite]

I win.

What? Were you guys betting on where I shop or something?

 

[elmetal]

What? Were you guys betting on where I shop or something?

we were going downtown and I thought I saw you but apparently it wasn't

 

[mullenite]

we were going downtown and I thought I saw you but apparently it wasn't

It's hard to miss the car with only front hubcaps and hearts on the back quarter windows.

 

[elmetal]

lmao

123456

 

[elmetal]

So I've been reading the florida statutes regarding beer/wine/distributing.

Here's something I ran into:

Section 562.27

(6) Any vehicle, vessel, or aircraft used in the transportation or removal of or for the deposit or concealment of any illicit liquor still or stilling apparatus; any mash, wort, wash, or other fermented liquids capable of being distilled or manufactured into an alcoholic beverage; or any alcoholic beverage commonly known and referred to as "moonshine whiskey" shall be seized and may be forfeited as provided by the Florida Contraband Forfeiture Act. Any sheriff, deputy sheriff, employee of the division, or police officer may seize any of the vehicles, vessels, or conveyances, and the same may be forfeited as provided by law.


Does that mean that when we brew at the shop, if I drive home with a carboy they can not only take my wort but also my car?

wtf?

 

[ghpeel]

Queue the "Dukes of Hazard" music here.

Interestingly, since it says you can't transport "fermented liquids", then to me it reads that you CAN transport wort, but you CAN'T transport anything already fermented that's ready to be distilled. So if you pitch before you leave the shop, you gotta drive home real fast before the yeast take off. Once they start fermenting, then your car could be seized.

And since you can distill wine into brandy, I suggest we wait outside the wine shop and make a bunch of citizens arrests and car confiscations!

 

[mullenite]

So I've been reading the florida statutes regarding beer/wine/distributing.

Here's something I ran into:

Section 562.27

(6) Any vehicle, vessel, or aircraft used in the transportation or removal of or for the deposit or concealment of any illicit liquor still or stilling apparatus; any mash, wort, wash, or other fermented liquids capable of being distilled or manufactured into an alcoholic beverage; or any alcoholic beverage commonly known and referred to as "moonshine whiskey" shall be seized and may be forfeited as provided by the Florida Contraband Forfeiture Act. Any sheriff, deputy sheriff, employee of the division, or police officer may seize any of the vehicles, vessels, or conveyances, and the same may be forfeited as provided by law.


Does that mean that when we brew at the shop, if I drive home with a carboy they can not only take my wort but also my car?

wtf?

Sounds like they are talking about fermented wort but wouldn't be surprised if an overzealous cop/abc agent took it as any wort. It's been a while since I've done any reading in that section though and there might be a homebrew exemption somewhere else (it is illegal to own bottles with the intent to fill them if you don't have a manufacturers license... but homebrewers are exempt.)

 

[elmetal]

(6) Any vehicle, vessel, or aircraft used in the transportation or removal of or for the deposit or concealment of any illicit liquor still or stilling apparatus; any mash, wort, wash, or other fermented liquids capable of being distilled or manufactured into an alcoholic beverage; or any alcoholic beverage commonly known and referred to as "moonshine whiskey" shall be seized and may be forfeited as provided by the Florida Contraband Forfeiture Act. Any sheriff, deputy sheriff, employee of the division, or police officer may seize any of the vehicles, vessels, or conveyances, and the same may be forfeited as provided by law.


Does that mean that when we brew at the shop, if I drive home with a carboy they can not only take my wort but also my car?

wtf?

so mash/wort is jumbled in to fermented liquids? I don't get this...

I know this part is supposed to be geared towards distilling but it clearly says mash/wort is illegal and any fermented liquids capable of making alcoholic beverages (when in a car that is not licensed to distribute)

now: section 562.165 creates an exemption for homebrewing of beer and wine (for 100 gallons for a 1 person household and 200 for 2 or more)

Does section 562.165 exempt us from this ridiculous car law saying our car can get seized (because it's brewing for personal and family consumption and not for sale or distilling)?

of course none of us will ever be pulled over for such a ridiculous law but I was just fascinated that it's in the books...

 

[elmetal]

Sounds like they are talking about fermented wort but wouldn't be surprised if an overzealous cop/abc agent took it as any wort. It's been a while since I've done any reading in that section though and there might be a homebrew exemption somewhere else (it is illegal to own bottles with the intent to fill them if you don't have a manufacturers license... but homebrewers are exempt.)

only problem I have with the fermented wort crap the law seems to say is that fermented wort for us = uncarbonated beer.

so I guess it would fall under open container if it's open and uncarbonated?

Also, another quick fact, if you are in possession of more than 4.5 gallons of beer and the container doesn't have Florida or FL written on it (if brewed in florida) you are automatically counted as resale and since you don't have a license: Misdemeanor

Section 563.06

(3) Possession by any person in the state, except as otherwise provided herein, of more than 4 1/2 gallons of malt beverages in individual containers which do not have the word "Florida" or "FL" as herein provided, shall be prima facie evidence that said malt beverage is possessed for the purpose of sale or resale.
(6) All malt beverages packaged in individual containers sold or offered for sale by vendors at retail in this state shall be in individual containers containing no more than 32 ounces of such malt beverages; provided, however, that nothing contained in this section shall affect malt beverages packaged in bulk or in kegs or in barrels or in any individual container containing 1 gallon or more of such malt beverage regardless of individual container type.

so if I buy 3 24 packs of bottles at the store I'm violating the law?

I don't get these laws.....

 

[elmetal]

only problem I have with the fermented wort crap the law seems to say is that fermented wort for us = uncarbonated beer.

so I guess it would fall under open container if it's open and uncarbonated?

Also, another quick fact, if you are in possession of more than 4.5 gallons of beer and the container doesn't have Florida or FL written on it (if brewed in florida) you are automatically counted as resale and since you don't have a license: Misdemeanor

Section 563.06

(3) Possession by any person in the state, except as otherwise provided herein, of more than 4 1/2 gallons of malt beverages in individual containers which do not have the word "Florida" or "FL" as herein provided, shall be prima facie evidence that said malt beverage is possessed for the purpose of sale or resale.
(6) All malt beverages packaged in individual containers sold or offered for sale by vendors at retail in this state shall be in individual containers containing no more than 32 ounces of such malt beverages; provided, however, that nothing contained in this section shall affect malt beverages packaged in bulk or in kegs or in barrels or in any individual container containing 1 gallon or more of such malt beverage regardless of individual container type.

so if I buy 3 24 packs of bottles at the store I'm violating the law?

I don't get these laws.....

I'm an idiot... I get it... so more than 4 and a half gallons of beer that does NOT have the word Florida or FL (in at least 8 pt font) means you are assumed to sell and will get a misdemeanor

That means if I go to North Carolina (like Barron) and come back with more than 2 cases of beer, I'm automatically incriminated as trying to sell without a license. I get it but it's pretty ridiculous to assume that more than 2 cases is too much for 1 person.. it's only 1 batch

 

[mullenite]

so mash/wort is jumbled in to fermented liquids? I don't get this...

It's probably worded that way to keep people from saying "oh, that's just wort. It can't be distilled. It's just sugar water."

ABC agents (the ones who actually care about this stuff, your typical cop won't even know it's the law) don't have the ability to test on the scene usually so it's all lumped together.

It could still be considered an open container as it does not have a seal that shows it has not been opened on it.

only problem I have with the fermented wort crap the law seems to say is that fermented wort for us = uncarbonated beer.

so I guess it would fall under open container if it's open and uncarbonated?

Also, another quick fact, if you are in possession of more than 4.5 gallons of beer and the container doesn't have Florida or FL written on it (if brewed in florida) you are automatically counted as resale and since you don't have a license: Misdemeanor

Section 563.06

(3) Possession by any person in the state, except as otherwise provided herein, of more than 4 1/2 gallons of malt beverages in individual containers which do not have the word "Florida" or "FL" as herein provided, shall be prima facie evidence that said malt beverage is possessed for the purpose of sale or resale.
(6) All malt beverages packaged in individual containers sold or offered for sale by vendors at retail in this state shall be in individual containers containing no more than 32 ounces of such malt beverages; provided, however, that nothing contained in this section shall affect malt beverages packaged in bulk or in kegs or in barrels or in any individual container containing 1 gallon or more of such malt beverage regardless of individual container type.

so if I buy 3 24 packs of bottles at the store I'm violating the law?

I don't get these laws.....

All beer sold in the state of Florida has FL or Florida written on the bottles in at least 8pt somewhere on the bottle or are otherwise exempt. Again, this is something that only applies to commercially produced beers and homebrew is exempt from. (There are a number of exemptions that are not on the website that are given on an as needed basis. Homebrewers don't have much to worry about outside of taxation and volume stuff.)

 

[elmetal]

It's probably worded that way to keep people from saying "oh, that's just wort. It can't be distilled. It's just sugar water."

ABC agents (the ones who actually care about this stuff, your typical cop won't even know it's the law) don't have the ability to test on the scene usually so it's all lumped together.

It could still be considered an open container as it does not have a seal that shows it has not been opened on it.



All beer sold in the state of Florida has FL or Florida written on the bottles in at least 8pt somewhere on the bottle or are otherwise exempt. Again, this is something that only applies to commercially produced beers and homebrew is exempt from. (There are a number of exemptions that are not on the website that are given on an as needed basis. Homebrewers don't have much to worry about outside of taxation and volume stuff.)

but what it do is say is I cannot go to NC and come back with more than 4.5 gallons of beer even though it is just for myself. I'm limited to 4.5 gallons of beer


of course no one will stop me but it's just kinda not too much beer

 

[mullenite]

but what it do is say is I cannot go to NC and come back with more than 4.5 gallons of beer even though it is just for myself. I'm limited to 4.5 gallons of beer


of course no one will stop me but it's just kinda not too much beer

It's to stop people from bringing unregistered beers in to the state for sale.

Example: There is a store in Indiana or something that was selling Russian River beers by going to California and buying the beers himself from a store then selling them to one of his distributors. The distributor would sell the beers to him. When the states ABC caught wind the store and distributor were fined for having too much unregistered beer and the distributor was fined for illegally buying beer.

Most states have laws/limits like that and I can't say I've ever heard of a case where it's been enforced on a personal level.

 

[elmetal]

It's to stop people from bringing unregistered beers in to the state for sale.

Example: There is a store in Indiana or something that was selling Russian River beers by going to California and buying the beers himself from a store then selling them to one of his distributors. The distributor would sell the beers to him. When the states ABC caught wind the store and distributor were fined for having too much unregistered beer and the distributor was fined for illegally buying beer.

Most states have laws/limits like that and I can't say I've ever heard of a case where it's been enforced on a personal level.

I know it's there to stop interstate tax evasion (more or less is what it is)

but I fail to see why 2 cases is where the line is drawn... I guess the line needs to be drawn somewhere..

 

[mullenite]

I know it's there to stop interstate tax evasion (more or less is what it is)

but I fail to see why 2 cases is where the line is drawn... I guess the line needs to be drawn somewhere..

It's basically an arbitrary line. Again though, unless ABC agents are going to be stopping you for some reason there is nothing to worry about. They typically have to have a complaint filed to do anything other than their annual rounds. They are too busy to deal with someone bringing back some beer from their travels.

 

[elmetal]

It's basically an arbitrary line. Again though, unless ABC agents are going to be stopping you for some reason there is nothing to worry about. They typically have to have a complaint filed to do anything other than their annual rounds. They are too busy to deal with someone bringing back some beer from their travels.

that's true. I kinda want to go across the state line and load up just to feel like I'm an outlaw

 

[mullenite]

that's true. I kinda want to go across the state line and load up just to feel like I'm an outlaw

I trade beer pretty regularly. I'm pretty sure I could come up with 2 cases of beer not legal for sale in the state if I went through my beer cellar.

 

[chefchris]

I trade beer pretty regularly. I'm pretty sure I could come up with 2 cases of beer not legal for sale in the state if I went through my beer cellar.

Party at mullenite's !

 

[mullenite]

Party at mullenite's !

If anyone ever wants to come over for a beer that's fine. I have plenty to go around.