American IPA Furious Clone?

[SkiSoloII]

Shirley is Furious

Taking a bit from everyone, and getting closer to the IBU's listed on the can (99 IBU). I'm an engineer. I can't help but adjust everything. I'll probably try to dry hop at least 3 gallon of this in the keg..... I like to mix it up with my larger batches - yeast and hopping style. I usually split the fermentation with 2 yeasts, keg 3 gallons from each "half," and bottle the rest of that.

Brewer: Rusty Kettle Brewing
Beer: Shirley is Furious
Type: All grain
Size: 12.5 gallons
Color: 29 HCU (~15 SRM)
Bitterness: 94 IBU
OG: 1.066 FG: 1.013
Alcohol: 6.6% v/v (5.2% w/w)
Wyeast 1335 6.5 gal
Safale S-04 6 gal (I like the way this seems to bring out the hops for me - YMMV)

Grain:
23 lb. Golden Promise
1 lb. Munich
1 lb. Crystal 60L
4 oz. Torrified wheat (head retention)
3 lb. Belgian CaraMunich

Mash: 80% efficiency
Mash Temp: 152F 90min
Boil: 75 minutes 13.5 gallons

Hops - adjusted for my utilization (pellets in a bag):
3 oz. Warrior (15.8% AA, 60 min.)
.75 oz. Simcoe (12.2% AA, 20 min.)
1 oz. Amarillo (7.5% AA, 20 min.)
.75 oz. Simcoe (12.2% AA, 15 min.)
1 oz. Amarillo (7.5% AA, 15 min.)
.75 oz. Simcoe (12.2% AA, 10 min.)
1 oz. Amarillo (7.5% AA, 10 min.)
.75 oz. Simcoe (12.2% AA, 5 min.)
1 oz. Amarillo (7.5% AA, 5 min.)
1 oz. Simcoe (12.2% AA, 0 min.)
1 oz. Amarillo (7.5% AA, 0 min.)
2 oz. Simcoe (DH)
2 oz. Amarillo (DH)
2 oz. Ahtanum (DH)

 

[smokinghole]

I looked at this and couldn't help but notice that it seems like you're aiming for 6g yield. With almost 28lbs of grain either you forgot to say something or annotated it incorrectly, like maybe you meant a 10 gallon batch.

 

[SkiSoloII]

I'm using a 6.5g and a 6g carboy. Looking at 12.5 gallons. What am I missing?

 

[MachineShopBrewing]

My side by side tasting went well. I have found a few process issues that I need to clean up before brewing it again though. I think the recipe is very close, but I am getting some astringency issues from my mash and sparge. I also forgot to use whirlfloc in this brew. My next brew I am really going to focus on my mashing and sparging Ph and gravity of my last runnings. My friend turned my recipe into a partial mash and his tastes almost right on. Mine was much more bitter than Furious.

 

[smokinghole]

What am I missing?

My ability to read lol. I didn't read the split and the 12g it could have been the beer talking too.

 

[SkiSoloII]

I just racked this over and added the DH. I have to say, the 1335 tastes a lot closer to the Furious than the S-04, even w/o the DH. I'll post back when I bottle and drink.

BTW, I used the 2nd runnings for 2.5 gallons of a simple Saaz light beer. Tastes surprisingly like PBR - 1.028OG, 1.004 FG.

Dave

 

[tdoft]

Well...what's the verdict on all these recipes? Seems like everyone is damn
Close on the hop bill but the grains-not so much. Who thinks they have them
Exactly right and has proven it by brewing it? I love me some furious and would
Like to clone it spot on if possible (can't get it at all in Colorado).

 

[SkiSoloII]

Windsor, Colorado? When I first looked at your location, I thought it was Windsor, Ontario (acrooss the river from us....). Mine is still Dry hopping in the secondary, though the 6 gallons with the 1335 was getting close during racking. I will keg/bottle next week.

If you are in Ontario, come on over!

Dave

 

[tdoft]

Hah. That's hilarious. I would LOVE to try your Furious clone but it is
Windsor COLORADO....ROAD TRIP!!!!!! I'm from Minnesota so I slurp
The Furious when I'm back visiting friends/family. Makes seeing the inlaws
Much less painful!

 

[permo]

I just had a very fresh pint of furious, I detected some summit hops in there and if I didn't know better, I would swear that there is some chinook....in addition to the ammarillo

 

[tdoft]

Yeah, so maybe the hop schedule isn't settled either. I thought I got
A lot of Chinook when I tried it on tap. Lots of summity tangerine when
I tried it in the can. Surly really did some brewing magic here. I'm tempted
To do a small addition of warrior at 60min and add a chinook/summit hopburst
Bittering addition at 30-enough to keep the IBUs around100. Then again if the
Grandmaster doesn't think those are in there....I'm in absolutley no position to
Second guess....
Tony

 

[MachineShopBrewing]

After brewing this and tasting a friend's batch of this also, I have changed the hopping schedule. I am going with just .5 oz Warrior at 60 and moving all the hops until later in the boil. That will allow me to up the amounts to get more flavor and aroma out of them. I am also going to increase the dry hop to four oz.

 

[tdoft]

Exactly my plan. But I think I'll mash hop an oz of chinook also to add
Some of the pine loveliness.

 

[SkiSoloII]

I kegged/bottled last week. I've had a few already. The bottles are not carbed yet, though the kegs are rolling. I've been comparing the original side-by-side. Color is right on, as is the bitterness and flavor. However, I am short on aroma. My dry hoppping was done in a grain bag, weighted down. I may have had poor utilization due to this. Next time, I will just drop in the dry hops without the bag. I may add some additional DH as well.

It's still a big success!

Dave

 

[SkiSoloII]

Just killed the 2nd 3-gallon keg

The bottles are great, a little over-carbed, probably need to wait a little longer.

Still a touch short on aroma, and not as clear. Otherwise, there isn't much difference compared with the can. Next brew is exactly the same (after a porter I promised my SWMBO), except that I'll use some gelatin and the DH's will be sans bag!:rockin:

What I thought was righteous, is that the SWMBO, who doesn't like many of my hop-forward beers, actually commented that this one was "pretty good" - at 94 IBU's and 6oz of DH for 12 gallons!!!!!! Must have gotten the balance right!

I love this beer!
Dave

 

[tdoft]

Great Job Skisolo. I'm going to go back and brew your recipe instead of messing with it. No doubt ditching the bag is the key to great aroma. I've dry hopped with and without a bag and it's not even close how much better the bagless is.

 

[jwright]

Bump............

Well I'll be damned.

I spent a week reviewing the recipes and ideas here, taking a little from everyone's posts, combining them into 'my' version and tinkering forever in BrewSmith to make it look right.

I Brewed it today. I pitched, cleaned everything up, started to relax and what do I find in my mailbox?

The new BYO magazine, with you-guessed-it in the replicator.

Not at all what I was expecting.

Antanum FWH (!), Warrior 60min (as expected), then no additions until 2 min, with Warrior, Ahtanum, Amarillo and Simcoe (~ 1oz TOTAL). Dry hop with the same 4 (<1oz total).

I haven't it plugged into BS, but they still give the IBU as 99.
WTF?
I guess there is more than one way to make a great beer.

http://byo.com/stories/recipes/article/indices/25-cloning/2062-surly-brewing-co-furious-clone-replicator

Jason

PS Good call on the Golden Promise + 2 row combo

 

[SkiSoloII]

Y'All not trying this are missing out. You won't be sorry.

Dave

 

[MachineShopBrewing]

The BYO recipe doesn't seem to have enough hops. I am rebrewing this one again in the coming weeks with a revision to my first recipe.

 

[SkiSoloII]

Rebrewed today. Will report, though I don't have a comparison can. Drank all the orignals.....

Dave

 

[SkiSoloII]

Damn good. I've scored a 38 in 2 separate competitions. Want to take this over 40.

Going to try the aromatic noted on the Surly website.

Adjustments and latest recipe to be brewed tomorrow:

Brewer: Rusty Kettle Brewing
Beer: Amplified III Style: India Pale Ale
Type: All grain Size: 12.5 gallons
Color: 21 HCU (~12 SRM)
Bitterness: 97 IBU
OG: 1.065 FG: 1.014
Alcohol: 6.6% v/v (5.2% w/w)

Grain: 8 lb. American 2-row
16 lb. Golden Promise
2 lb. 8 oz. Belgian aromatic
2 lb. 8 oz. American crystal 60L
4 oz. Torrified wheat
Mash: 75% efficiency, 152F 60 min.
Boil: 60 minutes SG 1.060 13.5 gallons

Hops: 3 oz. Warrior (16.8% AA, 60 min.)
1 oz. Amarillo (7.5% AA, 20 min.)
.75 oz. Simcoe (12.2% AA, 20 min.)
1 oz. Amarillo (7.5% AA, 15 min.)
.75 oz. Simcoe (12.2% AA, 15 min.)
1 oz. Amarillo (7.5% AA, 10 min.)
.75 oz. Simcoe (12.2% AA, 10 min.)
1 oz. Amarillo (7.5% AA, 5 min.)
.75 oz. Simcoe (12.2% AA, 5 min.)
1 oz. Amarillo (7.5% AA, FO)
.75 oz. Simcoe (12.2% AA, FO)
4 oz. Amarillo (7d DH)
4 oz. Simcoe (7d DH)
4 oz. Ahtanum (7d DH)

Half Fermeted with Pacman, half with 1272 American Ale II

 

[tdoft]

Hey SkiSolo, have you tasted your latest edition yet? I imagine you are in the dryhopping phase...but I'm curious. I'm about to give this a second try and would like to settle on a recipe soon. Have you seen Yooper's Furious Clone? I'm planning on bittering with Summit like she does and I like the idea of adding Ahtanum to the kettle hops. Otherwise I'm planning on keeping close to what you just brewed. Curious if you could tell the difference with adding the Aromatic?
Tony

 

[SkiSoloII]

Yes I did, and I am dissapointed - kegged 1/2 of it 3 days ago. I think I am going back to the Munich/CaraMunich rather than the Aromatic - maybe in combination. It doesn't seem as well balanced now. A lot more bittering comes forward and stays - beer's young, but the other 2 versions I did were better this young. Hopefully, the hopbittering issues were not as related to the substitution of some 2-row for some of the GP. Oh well, this is going to be a long project. I may take this back to 5-gallon batches.

However, the increase in the hop schedule really works for the DH. :rockin: Summit is more of a tart taste to me, but YMMV. I think the Ahtanum, along with so many other hops is a bit subtle to add a lot to the boil. I think it gives more character to the DH.

That being said, I didn't use all of anyone else's advice either! Have a great brew!

Dave

Update: I just looked up Yoop's recipe. It actually is very similar to mine - Munich/Caraminich version - scale it. I see the Summit is for bittering - not an issue. I used Warrior. She added a bit of black for color. I may need to drop back to all Golden Promise . It really dough-balls up; I was hoping to save a little effort by subbing some 2-row.

 

[tdoft]

Dave,
Thanks for all your help. I'm headed back to Minneapolis for thanksgiving...wonder if Surly sells kegs...anyway I'll brew this up with the Yooper grainbill and your hopbill and see how it goes. Can't wait to get my paws on the real thing. Gonna head to the Happy Gnome an suck down a fresh pint as soon as I get there....
Tony

 

[SkiSoloII]

I'm heading back there myself. I'm planning on picking up a case of furious, a 1/2 case of Wet (if still availalble) and a couple bottles of Darkness. Check out the website Surlybrewing.com.

Dave

 

[Yooper]

I'm heading back there myself. I'm planning on picking up a case of furious, a 1/2 case of Wet (if still availalble) and a couple bottles of Darkness. Check out the website Surlybrewing.com.

Dave

Get Abrasive if you can find it! It's like Furious, only more.

 

[SkiSoloII]

I may have spoken too soon.

The batch I reference above was the Wyeast 1272. I just kegged and bottled the second half which was fermented with Pacman. Much clearer, much better at it's young age. I'm reserving judgement for a week or 2.......

Yeast really does make a difference.

And Yoop, if they have Abrasive when I'm there, I'm also picking that up. My mom lives just up the road from Edina Liquors. Couldn't schedule the time for the NHC. They carry most of Surly's products. Last time I was there, they were expecting Abrasive to arrive Friday of that week. Unfortunately, I was leaving Wednesday.

Dave

 

[tdoft]

Speaking of yeast....is there a concensus as to the best yeast to use for a Furious clone? I'll plan on saving some extra space in the car just in case abrasive is available! Thanks all!
Tony

 

[SkiSoloII]

1335 was good in one of my incarnations, but Pacman tastes pretty good so far!

Based on this "experiment" I would not recommend 1272.

I'm leaning toward 1335, but winds could change......

Dave

 

[tdoft]

I'm really interested in your Pac Man batch. That yeast is such a beast! When I used 1335 I underpitched and it never took off. Ended up pitching S-05 to finish it off.....Pac Man is much more forgiving so I'd love to use it in my Furious clone if it's just as tasty. Either way looks like I'll be sending yet another order to AHS. Only have two strains on hand S-05 and Denny Conns favorite.
Hope Abrasive is available around Thanksgiving when I'll be in the Cities. I sure would be thankful for THAT!