Forgotten hops

[Northern_Brewer]

This is a presentation from Phil Lowry, who has a brewpub in Dover and also works for the UK division of Barth-Haas. He's highlighting some "forgotten" hops - you can get the general idea just from downloading the slides. In particular he talks about :

Endeavour as a Challenger etc replacement, it's become the stock English hop in his brewery
Brewer's Gold - German ones in saisons, US ones as a "Chinook-lite" in session beers
Mount Hood - grapefruit & peach in session beers
Summit - not everyone's favourite! Pink grapefruit.
Liberty - fruit sweets & sherbert in pale ales, NEIPA

Also future hops :
HBC472 - "woody coconuty...bizarre"
HBC431 - "not a big gun", soft red fruits, works really well with Ekuanot & French saison yeast
Ella - soft orange, great in lagers, gets lost in pale ales, good availability
Bru-1 - "pure pineapple"

Not on the slides :
AU35 - "Amarillo killer" peach/passionfruit (a beer got to top 30 on Ratebeer)

https://www.brewersjournal.info/lecture-018-phil-lowry-forgotten-and-future-hops/

 

[thehaze]

I have used Au35 a couple of times which I got from Themaltmiller UK and they are very good. I like the aroma and flavour.

 

[DromJohn]

2.5 oz of Liberty for Old Rasputin recipe in Beer Captured, in my secondary.

 

[Upthewazzu]

I don't know that I would agree with his sensory perception of Liberty and Mt. Hood. I've used both, mostly in light lagers or dark lagers. They're the US version of Hellertau Mittelfruh, which is definitely not fruity. Even if they did have those aroma/flavor qualities, I'd imagine you'd have to use a ton of them to equal something like cascade or amarillo.

 

[Northern_Brewer]

He's not pretending that they are equivalent to Amarillo - on the other hand, there's a bit more to them than Mittelfruh. Just because they're descended from Mittelfruh doesn't mean they taste the same -remember that Cascade is 3/4 Fuggles by parentage. He's saying they have a place, not that they are some Amarillo-killer - and that place probably makes more sense in the UK where we're looking for more subtle, more sessionable beers. He makes the comparison to Oakham JHB, which may not be a particular favourite of mine, but his audience will know how well it sells in the UK.

 

[JKaranka]

Liberty does work very well in British beers. I used it quite a bit a few years ago and I'm surprised it's not used more in commercial beers. Funny about Endeavour... I know one brewery that heavily uses it.

 

[dmtaylor]

Brewer's Gold - German ones in saisons, US ones as a "Chinook-lite" in session beers
Mount Hood - grapefruit & peach in session beers
Summit - not everyone's favourite! Pink grapefruit.
Liberty - fruit sweets & sherbert in pale ales, NEIPA

I don't agree with these flavor descriptions. They're a really long stretch.

 

[Upthewazzu]

He's not pretending that they are equivalent to Amarillo - on the other hand, there's a bit more to them than Mittelfruh. Just because they're descended from Mittelfruh doesn't mean they taste the same -remember that Cascade is 3/4 Fuggles by parentage. He's saying they have a place, not that they are some Amarillo-killer - and that place probably makes more sense in the UK where we're looking for more subtle, more sessionable beers. He makes the comparison to Oakham JHB, which may not be a particular favourite of mine, but his audience will know how well it sells in the UK.

Yeah, sorry, I'm saying that they don't have a place as he describes them. Like I said, I've used Mt. Hood and Liberty extensively and they simply don't put off the flavor/aroma descriptors he's implying they do. I love Liberty, I use it all the time in lager beers, but it's not fruity or sherbert-y at all.