First Wort Hops: Do they replace the 60 min addition?

[stevea1210]

Nice recipe - looks very similar to what I might do. I bet you get below 1.019 right? One thing that popped out ... 2.7 oz Chocolate malt?! Why not 3?!

Thanks. I just checked. I've brewed this 4 times and the FG on this has been 1.011 , 1.012, 1.014, and 1.015. I've found that beersmith is great for everything except predicting FG. I never go by that.

I'm sure I used 3 oz. The 2.7 was probably a rounding from an efficiency scaling. If my effeciency has changed a good bit since last time I've brewed a recipe, I'll scale it to ensure I come close to the numbers again.

I may just brew that this weekend...been kickin around what I might brew and this could be the winner! plus my buddy who is getting into it wants to help and loves IPA's.

If you do brew it, let me know how it comes out.

 

[Kugster]

If you do brew it, let me know how it comes out.

I am for sure gonna do it...I will make my "ass-istant" keep good notes...seeing how my laptop crashed and desktop isn't in the garage...

only bummer part is that my LHBS nails ya on their hop prices...and I might actually use a wyeast...I've been using 05 a lot and wanna get a good strain to "wash"

I'll keep ya posted!

Cheers!

 

[Kugster]

If you do brew it, let me know how it comes out.

Well...starting week 2 in the fermenter and still bubbling away. I ended up using Wyeast 1332 PNW ale. Wanna see how that comes out. I over shot my mash temp by 2* but I think it will still be good. I came in at 1.063 and BeerSmith says I got 70% eff. I don't know how much I trust it's calculations...

Can't wait to dry hop it...smells great so far!

Rock on! :rockin:

Koogz

 

[stevea1210]

Sweet. I hope you enjoy it. I haven't brewed that recipe in a while...I have everything for it on hand, maybe I will brew a batch of that soon.

 

[Denny]

Nope. IBUs are based on the time the hops are *boiled* So, naturally, if you toss them in when you drain your mash the hops go in the kettle and are boiled as long as the, um, boil.

The 20 minute addition equivalent IMHO is rubbish! There is a certain change in the flavor since the hops sit in sub boiling temps for a while before boiling but in my experience it is not equivalent to a 20 minute addition. It is just different. Try it!

FWIW and YMMV and WYF,

Steve da sleeve

In my experience, and that of most tasters in an experiment I did, it was much more like a 20 min., addition than a 60 min, addition.

 

[Denny]

Some data:

http://www.brewery.org/library/1stwort.html

-d

More here, starting on pg. 29.

http://www.ahaconference.org/wp-content/uploads/presentations/2008/DennyConn.pdf

 

[Denny]

so you guys do FWH,and a 60 min. addition? I have been doing it as my bittering addition. and it works well. I really need to go get some grain and try it that way.

thanks alot,now I wont be able to sleep tonight.

I do both FWH and a 60 addition usually. Sometimes I'll just add a huge amount of FWH and skip the 60, but it's a very different quality of bittering.

 

[Kugster]

I do both FWH and a 60 addition usually. Sometimes I'll just add a huge amount of FWH and skip the 60, but it's a very different quality of bittering.

I have been doing this for the last 4 or 5 brews and really like the outcome...I think I will continue to do this...I have yet to try eliminating the 60 min addition but that is next on the list.

 

[jturie]

I do EITHER a FWH OR a 60 min for my bittering...haven't brewed an IIPA yet, but when I do I will likely do both.

In my completely subjective and amateur opinion, it seems like the FWH bitterness is more infused and subtle throughout the beer. In terms of IBU, I would assume that FWH imparts at least as much IBU value to the wort as a 60min addition.

Might be an interesting experiment to split a batch and do a side-by-side, although I'm sure that's been done a ton of times by others.