madchemist83
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Extracts help when you don't have room for 25 lbs of grain. And yes brew whatever the hell you want.
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I just bought everything I need to get my first batch fermenting. I also found a pound of lactose to add in.
The guys at my brew shop were very helpful.
They helped me pick a white labs liquid "cream ale yeast blend".
The guys at my brew shop were very helpful.
They helped me pick a white labs liquid "cream ale yeast blend".
petey_c
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mugen, Keep us informed about this goes. Good luck. Pete
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JohnTheBrewist
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Did your LHBS tell you about making a starter for that yeast? (starters should always be used with liquid yeast, unless your using more than one vial).
Why the lactose? Lactose is unfermentable and only serves to add sweetness to your beer. It won't add any alcohol content. Doesn't make much sense in a cream ale. Also have to ask, why the flaked corn? This really looks like you're just throwing ingredients together without much thought or knowledge as to how they will affect the end product. Care to share your recipe?
I understand wanting to jump in to all grain, in fact I'm one of the very few brewers here who think its a good idea. I also understand wanting to brew something out of the ordinary. But... wouldn't you want to be sure your beer is going to be drinkable after you've spent that kind of time and money to brew it?
Why the lactose? Lactose is unfermentable and only serves to add sweetness to your beer. It won't add any alcohol content. Doesn't make much sense in a cream ale. Also have to ask, why the flaked corn? This really looks like you're just throwing ingredients together without much thought or knowledge as to how they will affect the end product. Care to share your recipe?
I understand wanting to jump in to all grain, in fact I'm one of the very few brewers here who think its a good idea. I also understand wanting to brew something out of the ordinary. But... wouldn't you want to be sure your beer is going to be drinkable after you've spent that kind of time and money to brew it?
Cream Ale
6.00 lb Pale Malt (2 Row)
1.00 lb Corn, Flaked
1.00 lb Biscuit Malt
1.00 lb Vienna Malt
0.50 lb Carapils Malt
1.00 lb Lactose
1.00 oz Crystal Hops (60 min)
1.00 oz Liberty Leaf Hops (30 min)
1.00 oz Liberty Leaf Hops (15 min)
1.00 Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15 min)
1.00 Liquid Cream Ale Yeast
6.00 lb Pale Malt (2 Row)
1.00 lb Corn, Flaked
1.00 lb Biscuit Malt
1.00 lb Vienna Malt
0.50 lb Carapils Malt
1.00 lb Lactose
1.00 oz Crystal Hops (60 min)
1.00 oz Liberty Leaf Hops (30 min)
1.00 oz Liberty Leaf Hops (15 min)
1.00 Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15 min)
1.00 Liquid Cream Ale Yeast
SittingDuck
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mugen112 said:
Cream ale does not refer to the fact that it has lactose in it, like cream stout might. Cream ale generally does not contain lactose, and generally is not sweet and heavier bodied, as lactose beers tend to be.
It is your recipe and as I have said a few times now, do what makes you happy, but I just want to make sure you knew that in case you were confused by the name.
SittingDuck
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Well, I like stouts, but I wouldn't drop some black patent in my cream ale, and if I did I would expect a very different beer. An amber is a pretty distinct style from a cream ale, and I would not expect lactose to be exactly the same in one as the other.
You've already got a pretty dramatic departure in your jalepenos or fruit. That's a good tweak on a cream ale. Lactose nay be a good tweak. Jalepeno and lactose? Maybe good, maybe not.
Point is, deviating from a style is cool, and no reason not to do it. But the further you vary, the more likely something goes bad.
I am glad you are excited and experimenting, but don't get too crazy. You might find yourself making a strawberry jalepeno black milk coffee chocolate pumpkin India cream ale.
This is your first batch, not your last. There will be other beers and other experiments. You don't necessarily need to try everything at once.
But, true to theme, your beer and your brewery, so throw in the kitchen sink. I wouldn't, but I'm not you. Hey, you can pee in the kettle and it won't bother me any.
If you do decide to do both, I would suggest the lactose would go better with the fruit. Make a strawberry shortcake cream ale.
You've already got a pretty dramatic departure in your jalepenos or fruit. That's a good tweak on a cream ale. Lactose nay be a good tweak. Jalepeno and lactose? Maybe good, maybe not.
Point is, deviating from a style is cool, and no reason not to do it. But the further you vary, the more likely something goes bad.
I am glad you are excited and experimenting, but don't get too crazy. You might find yourself making a strawberry jalepeno black milk coffee chocolate pumpkin India cream ale.
This is your first batch, not your last. There will be other beers and other experiments. You don't necessarily need to try everything at once.
But, true to theme, your beer and your brewery, so throw in the kitchen sink. I wouldn't, but I'm not you. Hey, you can pee in the kettle and it won't bother me any.
If you do decide to do both, I would suggest the lactose would go better with the fruit. Make a strawberry shortcake cream ale.
If you look at Cheesefood's Caramel Cream Ale recipe, you'll notice he used lactose. It may not be common, but it's been done.
SittingDuck
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No doubt. And I encouraged OP to experiment with lactose in a cream ale. I'm just suggesting lactose experiment combined with jalepeno experiment might be a bit much for a first beer.
And again, the lactose on a caramel flavored, sweeter beer makes sense, which is why I suggest using fruit with lactose if he was going whole hog.
And again, the lactose on a caramel flavored, sweeter beer makes sense, which is why I suggest using fruit with lactose if he was going whole hog.
That makes sense, and I would agree. I've actually considered trying a beer with jalapenos or other spicy peppers to add a bit of heat. I could see it working well in a lighter beer, but there are a couple of darker, malty, sweet brews that could take a little heat, too. Sweet 'n spicy! I love it! But I'll give that a shot after I get my brewing technique down first.
Let us know how it goes, mugen! I'm curious to see how the beer turns out. From what I can tell, it'll be a medium-alcohol light-to-golden beer with plenty of hoppy flavor and aroma. I wonder how the lactose will affect it, too. I hear it's not so much to add sweetness, as it is for adding mouthfeel to a brew. Either way, you'll end up with beer. Hopefully the AG brewing goes well for you on your first run.
Let us know how it goes, mugen! I'm curious to see how the beer turns out. From what I can tell, it'll be a medium-alcohol light-to-golden beer with plenty of hoppy flavor and aroma. I wonder how the lactose will affect it, too. I hear it's not so much to add sweetness, as it is for adding mouthfeel to a brew. Either way, you'll end up with beer. Hopefully the AG brewing goes well for you on your first run.
JohnTheBrewist
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The corn is going to give you a lighter, dryer beer and is usually added when you don't necessarily want that malty sweetness. The lactose, on the other hand, is going to make it sweeter. That's why it seems to me that these two items are working against each other.
Its going to be an interesting brew for sure.
Yes, you will need to make a starter or buy another vial or two of yeast. Do a search for yeast starters, its not that hard to do, but you will need some DME for it.
Its going to be an interesting brew for sure.
Yes, you will need to make a starter or buy another vial or two of yeast. Do a search for yeast starters, its not that hard to do, but you will need some DME for it.
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A pilgrim brewing corn and milk beer to see how it works. Without knowing how a simple recipe beer works. You put on the roof, before building the foundation. I hope it works out. Good luck on your endeavor.
tektonjp
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Are you truly asking for advice or looking for affirmation of the decisions you have already made? I see a lot of heavy weight brew lore being given to you and you don't seem to be listening. Go,
brew your own special beer, come back, and tell us how you did. Just that simple.
brew your own special beer, come back, and tell us how you did. Just that simple.
Beardedterror
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My calculations say it will be a bit on the hoppy side, but nothing extreme. Would you rather kick down the bitterness, hop flavor, both, or neither?
ChaosStout
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You should still make a starter or use 2 of those vials. Shipping and handleing take their toll on yeast. If you pitch one vial direct will it make beer? Yes, but it might not attenuate properly, you may get off flavors etc. Not saying you will but why take the chance. Make a starter
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madchemist83
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I think Liberty hops will give you nice aroma just don't put too much. You want enough bitterness to balance out alcohol level and sweetness of your beer. So maybe skip Liberty at 15 min.
madchemist83 said:
How about skip the 30min liberty and keep the 15? Thoughts?
Also:
Decided against jalapenis and strawberries and everything else. Time is short and I need to get this started. At least I have lactose
