First All grain BIAB gone wrong? Picture inside

[Mx750ktm]

Thanks for the reply again, You know this is the first time that I have ever added Irish Moss to one of my batches. I did it with about 15 mins left in the boil. And I did do a whirlpool or what I think may be a whirlpool. After cooling the wort I set the kettle up on my counter and used my spoon to make a whirlpool effect and once it had a few minutes to settle proceeded on. Now my keggle has a spout so thats what I use to transfer so I would almost assume it has a decent amount of vacum and pulls some of the stuff from the center out but who knows. But what everyone is saying makes since about it falling. I mean just in the hydrometer vial it dropped quickly to the bottom and continued to kind of compact. So I would assume the yeast cake will cover this up.

Im not to familar with any hops so to speak, This is my 5th batch and first all grain attempt and although I have used chinook before it was in my first batch which I over carbbed tremendously and the beer wasnt very good.

On a side note my beer is fermenting away in a room with an ambient temp of 64-65. I wanted to check the temp of the actual beer today and it was right about 71 I know this is a tad higher than I would like but I dont think it will hurt it too bad. What I'm getting at though is once I took my temperature I just let the thermometer drip its little drip into my mouth as i pulled it out and it tasted like caramel to me !!!!!
I'm thinking this is all going to work out and be a decent beer thanks to all who helped me feel a little better about all this.
Nothing worse than watching a beer progress you have doubts in haha

 

[Veedo]

I am actually do some experiments on this right now. I have been doing BIAB for a couple years now, and the wort is super cloudy. I have a few beers turn out with a flavor that's hard to describe other than being very grainy. I went to a courser crush on my grain mill and switched to a mash tun for my last couple of brews. we shall see if there are any flavor differences between methods. you would think that boiling all that stuff would have to have some sort of effect on the flavor, even if it does settle out in the fermenter, but who knows.

 

[Mx750ktm]

Yes be sure to check back with what you conclude with your tests as it would be helpful info. This was my first biab and I liked the process and if it makes good beer I would like to continue down the biab route!!! I can tell you I went to a local brewery and bought my grain and they milled it for me and it was super fine some parts of it like dust. But from what I had read everyone said for the biab people typically double crush?

 

[Veedo]

Yes be sure to check back with what you conclude with your tests as it would be helpful info. This was my first biab and I liked the process and if it makes good beer I would like to continue down the biab route!!! I can tell you I went to a local brewery and bought my grain and they milled it for me and it was super fine some parts of it like dust. But from what I had read everyone said for the biab people typically double crush?

I will be sure to post my findings. I should be tapping my first mash tun batch over the next few days. it seems a lot of people do not have problems with biab trub, so maybe it is a non issue. just seems illogical to me that all that extra stuff can go into the boil and not have an effect on flavor. I don't have a lot of brewers around me to compare notes, so I have to figure it out myself. I have cranked out a lot of great biab brews, but some have the grain thing more than others.

heres a thread where I described some of the flavors. https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f36/what-does-tannin-extraction-taste-smell-like-336213/

 

[seabass07]

If you're getting off flavors from grain material, then maybe you should look at the type of bag you're using. How fine is the mesh? The grain bags that they sell at home brew shops is generally very course and will allow a lot of grain material through. Voile works much better. Still drains quickly, but does a good job filtering out most of the crap. Increased trub is ok. Excessive grain making it to the boil is a very different issue.

 

[Veedo]

If you're getting off flavors from grain material, then maybe you should look at the type of bag you're using. How fine is the mesh? The grain bags that they sell at home brew shops is generally very course and will allow a lot of grain material through. Voile works much better. Still drains quickly, but does a good job filtering out most of the crap. Increased trub is ok. Excessive grain making it to the boil is a very different issue.

I am using voile. Never any visible husks or anything like that slipping through. Just the ultra fines.

 

[seabass07]

Then I'd be very surprised if that was the cause of off flavors. I didn't notice any difference flavor-wise when I switched from BIAB with voile to a cooler mash tun. But I'm curious about other's experiences.

 

[Mx750ktm]

I purchased what I felt was a very well built bag from http://www.bagbrewer.com
It's very durable looking and fits my keggle perfect and is pretty fine.

 

[Veedo]

Then I'd be very surprised if that was the cause of off flavors. I didn't notice any difference flavor-wise when I switched from BIAB with voile to a cooler mash tun. But I'm curious about other's experiences.

You are probably right, but its one of those things I'll have to find out myself. My extract batches don't have this flavor, and I pay attention to water chemistry, mash pH, fermentation temp, yeast pitching, etc etc.

 

[Yooper]

I've tried some of veedo's beers, and only in one- a kolsch- did I pick up on that flavor described. I didn't even know the beers were biab vs traditional mashing. Just thought I'd throw that out there because I thought they were all very good to excellent by bjcp scoring!



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[Veedo]

Hey yooper! I have been meaning to send some more beers off to you, but the sub zero winter puts a damper on things. When it warms up, or maybe one of these days we can meet up! BTW, you have my vote!

 

[Yooper]

Hey yooper! I have been meaning to send some more beers off to you, but the sub zero winter puts a damper on things. When it warms up, or maybe one of these days we can meet up! BTW, you have my vote!

Thanks! I appreciate the vote.

When you head a little south, let me know and you can stop by and have a couple of beers with me. We almost never go up your way anymore!

 

[balrog]

First: Aw, Yooper changed profile pic.
Second: How do home improvement store paint strainer bags compare to this "voile" for holding in crud? I'm looking to expand to BIAB partial boils.

 

[Mx750ktm]

First: Aw, Yooper changed profile pic.
Second: How do home improvement store paint strainer bags compare to this "voile" for holding in crud? I'm looking to expand to BIAB partial boils.

If your looking to get a biab check out this site http://www.bagbrewer.com
I just got a custom bag from him for my setup and it's very well constructed and will hold a large amount of grain.

 

[Yooper]

First: Aw, Yooper changed profile pic.
Second: How do home improvement store paint strainer bags compare to this "voile" for holding in crud? I'm looking to expand to BIAB partial boils.

New Jeep, new avatar!

I just bought my first ever Jeep Wrangler on Thursday, and I got it a little dirty today. Combining Beer and Jeep is friggin' brilliant, so this avatar just might stay for a while.

The paint strainer bags are "ok" for smaller amounts of grain, but they are thin and do tear, and don't hold as much as better quality bags. However, for something like 3 pounds of grain or so in each, they'd be fine. They aren't indestructible, like wilserbrewer's seem to be- but at $5 for 2 of them, that's ok. You can get your feet wet with them, and see how it works out for you before buying bigger and better bags.

I now use the paint strainer bags for my hops spider when my Wilserbrewer bags are in the wash. (Yes, turn them outside out, rinse them, and toss them in the laundry!).

 

[balrog]

New Jeep, new avatar!

The paint strainer bags are "ok" for smaller amounts of grain, but they are thin and do tear, and don't hold as much as better quality bags. However, for something like 3 pounds of grain or so in each, they'd be fine. They aren't indestructible, like wilserbrewer's seem to be- but at $5 for 2 of them, that's ok. You can get your feet wet with them, and see how it works out for you before buying bigger and better bags.

I now use the paint strainer bags for my hops spider when my Wilserbrewer bags are in the wash. (Yes, turn them outside out, rinse them, and toss them in the laundry!).

Aha, point I'd not considered, as my batches have used <= 5# at this point with extract. Thanks. I can see the issue with doubling (or more) the grain bill and having paint strainer bags hold up.