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Birdshot is for birds. Penetration is inadequate to give an acceptable chance of eliminating a threat. Please do not load your home defense gun with birdshot unless your main concern is a flock of marauding quail. =)

If you have ever read any of Peter Hathaway Capsticks books (he was one of the last great african hunters/guides) he used to go in heavy brush after wounded leopards and lions with a leather jacket, a leather neck cover, #4 buck and a M12 shotgun. He claimed to be the ultimate close quarters round due to the density of the shot. Judging from the guns that man has used to kill basically every animal that lives in Africa I think it says a lot. Not trying to rag on ya, just wanted to put that out there.

:off:Plus depending on where you live and the silly things people get sued for today, it's easier to defend yourself legally. To some people (i.e. jurors) having a gun loaded with slugs and 000 buck makes you appear prepared and malicious (i.e; wanting to shoot someone), rather than "well i was just lucky to have some hunting loads around when that guy busted into my house."

That being said. Personally my Winchester 1300 Defender is usually loaded with 000 buck and side saddled with slugs. :rockin:

Cheers!:mug:
 
Is a high standard model k 1200 riot anygood? I found one for $200 today. I want a mossberg 500 how do they compare¿
 
Just went with the mossberg. I know its not a 500. its a mavrick 88 field version. Barrel is to long for me so a 18.5 is in order as well as a pistol grip. Mossberg has barrels for $88

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troubled dog I have a kahr cw 9 too, what a nice shooting compact 9mm auto. great carry gun its light, accurate, reliable and so easy and comfortable to shoot for its light weight.
 
Wife and I just picked up our first guns. She has the Ruger SR22 pistol and I picked up the Ruger SR9. Plan on shooting this weekend.
 
Cleaning out and organizing some ammo just now I found 5 M9 Beretta 15 round magazines from when I was in the Army. Does anyone know if these are legal to sell? I'll never own an M9 so I don't need them.
 
Not if they're stamped US Gov't. NRA instructor I know says it's not a good idea to sell if they're not stamped or serial numbered.

If you want to get rid of them, make friends with a local cop.

B
 
Cleaning out and organizing some ammo just now I found 5 M9 Beretta 15 round magazines from when I was in the Army. Does anyone know if these are legal to sell? I'll never own an M9 so I don't need them.

If those mama-jamies were made after Sep 14, 1994, they are verbotten for all but LEO in the state of NY.

Best thing is to send them to me ASAP. ;)

AATW!
 
Hmmmm. Guns & Beer.....Hmmmmm

Any AR-15 owners out there. (besides Copperhed :D)

Not a AR 15 but I got the 50 and 338 lapua. Cant afford to reload them or shoot them any more though

Other than shooting rock chucks I do not hunt any more. I do love using the 50 and 338 though with my mile clanger.

I am lucky though that I have a range that I can shoot everything from 100 yrd to a mile away :)

Lately I have been using a .204 and trying to extend its range. With 40 grain hornady v max bullets I can hit a clanger at 700 yards pretty regular with it
 
bad coffee said:
If you want to get rid of them, make friends with a local cop.

B

Airborne tries to minimize law enforcement contact. He has a couple warrants out.
 
Not if they're stamped US Gov't.

Damn, they are stamped.

If you want to get rid of them, make friends with a local cop.

B

Airborne tries to minimize law enforcement contact. He has a couple warrants out.

Yeah, I'm already too well-known by the NYPD. Somehow, they know everything about me, including every paycheck I've gotten in the last 10 years. ;)

All joking aside, I know they're illegal for all but LEO's in NY, but I'm not very big on Federal or out of state gun laws. Ever since HR 218 went into effect, and especially after the revisions, unless I'm looking for a machine gun I can pretty much not worry about local laws since only California might have laws more strict than NY's.
 
To answer Tx's original question, as a former Civil War Reenactor (bet you all didnt see THAT one coming), I have an 1861 Springfield .58 reproduction rifle at my father's place. When I was still hooting and shooting I could do the compulsory 3 shots a minute.

Take that sessesh! hehehehehe
 
I did some quick research and apparently two of them are DEFINITELY pre-ban. The other 3 might be, but they are stamped from a different manufacturer and I cannot find any info on them.
 
Airborneguy said:
I did some quick research and apparently two of them are DEFINITELY pre-ban. The other 3 might be, but they are stamped from a different manufacturer and I cannot find any info on them.

Check-Mate perhaps?
 
If you have ever read any of Peter Hathaway Capsticks books (he was one of the last great african hunters/guides) he used to go in heavy brush after wounded leopards and lions with a leather jacket, a leather neck cover, #4 buck and a M12 shotgun. He claimed to be the ultimate close quarters round due to the density of the shot. Judging from the guns that man has used to kill basically every animal that lives in Africa I think it says a lot. Not trying to rag on ya, just wanted to put that out there.

I'd feel safe with #4 buck - It's birdshot I'm railing against. #4 buck was the FBI issue load for a while, and while their decisions were questionable if not downright stupid prior to the Miami shootout, they seem to have gotten their act together after that with extensive ballistics testing. I prefer 00, but after reading a lot of test materials I wouldn't lose sleep if I got #4 or 000 by accident.

:off:Plus depending on where you live and the silly things people get sued for today, it's easier to defend yourself legally. To some people (i.e. jurors) having a gun loaded with slugs and 000 buck makes you appear prepared and malicious (i.e; wanting to shoot someone), rather than "well i was just lucky to have some hunting loads around when that guy busted into my house."

That being said. Personally my Winchester 1300 Defender is usually loaded with 000 buck and side saddled with slugs. :rockin:

Cheers!:mug:

Sounds as though you have the same attitude I do regarding juries. Unless they're in the hallway with battle rifles ready to fend off the bad guys on my behalf, I am far more concerned with living through the encounter than with what they happen to think of me after the fact. :)
 
My great grandpa traded a weaner pig for a 1898 Browning Auto 5.

It is now the highlight of my collection.
 
Is there any correlation between steel and brass cases and corrosive powder charges?

No.

FWIW, it's the primer, I believe, that is the difference between corrosive and non-corrosive.

There is a lot of information on the Internet about ammo head stamps and packaging. If you poke around a bit with that information you'll probably find out beyond a reasonable doubt if it's corrosive or not.

For example, I recently picked up a 1/2 dozen boxes of 308/7.62x51 ammo in light green boxes and the cartridges have head stamp .308W OO 82. A couple minutes browsing around with that head stamp info suggests the ammo is most likely corrosive.
 
Way too many pages to go back...

Can anyone offer insight into the various M1A .30 Carbine manufacturers? I'm looking to get one of these rifles really soon. I've been watching Gunbroker pretty closely and it seems like the difference in prices between the manufacturers is fairly wide. I'm not looking for authenticity or resale value, just functionality. Specifically, Plainfield and Universal seem to be the best values. Is there any reason not to go with them, considering that this gun will likely see less than 100 rds per year?

My backup plan is the Citadel M1A .22 version. Any advice on that one? I'm considering setting myself up with a .22 semi-auto rifle and a handgun then stocking up on that one round.
 
Way too many pages to go back...

Can anyone offer insight into the various M1A .30 Carbine manufacturers? I'm looking to get one of these rifles really soon. I've been watching Gunbroker pretty closely and it seems like the difference in prices between the manufacturers is fairly wide. I'm not looking for authenticity or resale value, just functionality. Specifically, Plainfield and Universal seem to be the best values. Is there any reason not to go with them, considering that this gun will likely see less than 100 rds per year?

My backup plan is the Citadel M1A .22 version. Any advice on that one? I'm considering setting myself up with a .22 semi-auto rifle and a handgun then stocking up on that one round.

Good luck getting .22 bullets. They are as rare as hens teeth around here:mad:
 
Yeah I can't find them anywhere online! Thankfully I have a little over 500 rds on hand. Current conditions not-withstanding, .22 will always be the cheapest round though. I'm leaning towards the .30 carbine anyway. The reason I'm purchasing this firearm calls for a larger round.
 
bottlebomber said:
I didn't know there was a shortage of .22LR. That sucks.. The ammo grab of 2013

It's all in who you know. I didn't ask about .22lr. I've got a few boxes of 9mm on the way. Not hoarding, just picking up some to shoot here soon.
 
9mm can be found, but it's expensive. I get most of my 9MM from work so I'm not worried about that. I don't have a ton, but definitely enough. If I pick up this .30 carbine I'm going to probably make a bulk purchase of that.
 
Airborneguy said:
9mm can be found, but it's expensive. I get most of my 9MM from work so I'm not worried about that. I don't have a ton, but definitely enough. If I pick up this .30 carbine I'm going to probably make a bulk purchase of that.

I got lucky and a wholesale source found me.
 
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