Equally Obnoxious Hockey Trash Talk Thread, eh?

[emjay]

Gotta give it to Boston though, they really know how to get under a team's skin...

 

[Bulls Beers]

2 down.....

 

[emjay]

2 down.....

Yeah it was 2 down a week ago

 

[arturo7]

somebody upped their game

 

[Bulls Beers]

Yeah it was 2 down a week ago

Was..........BWHhahahhahahahah!!!!

 

[paulthenurse]

Crap! 5 am is gonna come awful fast

 

[Boleslaus]

I'm not seeing the analogy...a better one would be...

"Would you rather get smoked in the head by a brick wrapped in plastic, or by a brick wrapped in cloth?"

And the answer is...either way will hurt just as much.

In my opinion its less about protecting the player getting hit and more about not protecting the player doing the hitting. Would you rather run full speed into a wall wearing football pads or wearing a sweatshirt? No problem with big open ice hits, but the guys need to be willing to take it. Crushing someone at full speed with their head down is easy when you're wearing armor.

 

[MeatyPortion]

The Canucks played like absolute ****.

 

[Bulls Beers]

Hey Meat...

 

[Boleslaus]

Hockey will always be a secondary sport as long as the violence is allowed to continue. I quit going to games because everyone in the stands "sat on their hands" till a fight broke out and then they would stand and cheer. WTF I was enjoying the game and now players are ripping off jerseys and slugging each other and this is a sport? Looks like the Pro wrestling drama. The Rome Horton hit was like.... switch to baseball mode here.... Let's say we have runners at 1st and 2nd and the shortstop fields the ball throws to 2nd to start a double play.... the runner from second going to third decides to take out the shortstop, Is that just a part of the sport?

You can't generalize and say that every game of hockey is too violent. Just because one series is rough doesn't mean the game is too violent. Some series just end up that way. You try playing the same team 7 times.

 

[Bulls Beers]

Hockey will always be a secondary sport as long as the violence is allowed to continue. I quit going to games because everyone in the stands "sat on their hands" till a fight broke out and then they would stand and cheer. WTF I was enjoying the game and now players are ripping off jerseys and slugging each other and this is a sport? Looks like the Pro wrestling drama. The Rome Horton hit was like.... switch to baseball mode here.... Let's say we have runners at 1st and 2nd and the shortstop fields the ball throws to 2nd to start a double play.... the runner from second going to third decides to take out the shortstop, Is that just a part of the sport?

What the hell are you talking about...It's a very violent game even with out the fighting...The fighting is a part of the game. If you don't like don't watch. I go to a bunch of games every year and I don't see people "sitting on there hands" waiting for a fight... The fighting used to be 10 times worse back in the day..Remember Mike Milbury climbing over the glass beating up a fan with a shoe...It's a tough sport..Get over it...

 

[Boleslaus]

What the hell are you talking about...It's a very violent game even with out the fighting...The fighting is a part of the game. If you don't like don't watch. I go to a bunch of games every year and I don't see people "sitting on there hands" waiting for a fight... The fighting used to be 10 times worse back in the day..Remember Mike Milbury climbing over the glass beating up a fan with a shoe...It's a tough sport..Get over it...

+1 thank you

Since when did the hockey trash talk thread turn into the hockey is too rough thread?

 

[arturo7]

Hockey will always be a secondary sport as long as the violence is allowed to continue.

Who gives a shvt if it is a "secondary" sport?


Seriously, why do so many hockey fans worry so much over this status?

 

[Bulls Beers]

Who gives a shvt if it is a "secondary" sport?


Seriously, why do so many hockey fans worry so much over this status?

+1000..." Get rid of the violence"???? The hitting is more violent than the fighting. Does he want to get rid of the hitting?? C'mon, this is Hockey for Christ sake...

 

[Cape Brewing]

What happened in the B's game? I was busy brewing. I missed it. Did they win!?!?

 

[Bulls Beers]

What happened in the B's game? I was busy brewing. I missed it. Did they win!?!?

Is this **** ing awesome or what??

 

[arturo7]

good lord, cape

 

[paulthenurse]

Good grief! Another soccer mom chiming in on hockey. Hockey is hitting, hitting is hockey. If you don't like the way the sport is played go watch badmitten. This has been a tremendous series of back and forth hockey.

 

[Cape Brewing]

Is this **** ing awesome or what??

I TOLD you!

 

[SurlyBastard]

Good lord is right...they spanked the Canucks and made them look stupid for 60 mins. You missed a really good game. Although, brewing and hockey are on the same level for me, so I would have either brewed where there was a TV, or brought the TVto my brew spot : D

 

[Cape Brewing]

Is this **** ing awesome or what??

I TOLD you! Play physical against this team!


(I think Arturo actually thought I was serious)

 

[Cape Brewing]

You guys make me laugh.

 

[arturo7]

(I think Arturo actually thought I was serious)

hell man, for all I know you're out in your garage brewing away on some high alcohol concoction that will kill flowers and clean up nuclear waste

 

[emjay]

I dunno, but the actual "fighting", even in this series, is much less than I remember even a decade ago. Although I DO know people who think a game is boring until there's a fight, and I think they're idiots.

However, you got big guys, playing close quarters in a small rink, at very high speeds. Pair those facts with human nature, and things are going to get physical, and sometimes even violent. For the VERY SAME REASON that it's such a fast and exciting sport, there's going to be an element of violence in the game whether you like it or not, so you can enjoy the game knowing that's how it is, or just don't enjoy it. Complaining about how physical hockey is, and that it can even turn violent, is like complaining that there's too much violence in the UFC. I don't mean to say that violence is an objective or should even be part of the draw of hockey, but unless you make the rink the size of a soccer field, and/or take away the skates (slowing down the pace), it's going to be an inherent part of the game that can't be removed without changing the sport to such a degree, you might as well stop calling it hockey. It's not about saying "F you" to potential fans who might watch the game if it were somehow less physical - it's just that it's simply not possible, if you want to keep the elements that make hockey "one of the fastest and most exciting sports on TV".

With that being said... these past few games have featured a lot sneaky, underhanded, and dirty playing, by both sides. Obviously some are going to disagree with me because nobody wants to think their team won any way but fairly, but Boston has really been piling it on with a bunch of dirty moves, too small to get much attention from the refs, but frequent enough to make Vancouver play frustrated and angry, rather than calm and collected. Don't get me wrong, Vancouver is hardly innocent, but it seems to be almost central to Boston's game plan. Marchand is probably the worst offender, and I'm not even talking about that stack of penalties he managed to earn himself all at once. He's especially been targeting Vancouver's key players in the Sedin twins, and despite the fact he's a tiny guy, the Sedins have a reputation of being pushovers, and they're certainly allowing him to continue to get away with that crap. Funny thing people keep bringing up the counterproductiveness of the instigator rule - if players were able to police themselves a bit more, that little **** would be too injured by now to keep playing.

Ultimately though, despite the massive amount of penalties being handed out, the refs are giving players FAR too much leeway, and allowing the games to get way too emotional. They need to start calling every little thing and regain control of the games - only then do we have a chance of seeing some good, and fairly balanced hockey, rather than these mindgames (and eventual explosion of tempers) that have dominated the last few games.

 

[arturo7]

dvmn mj, you got a cliff notes version of that post?

 

[emjay]

dvmn mj, you got a cliff notes version of that post?

It's impossible to separate violence from hockey, and the Bruins play exceptionally dirty.

How was that?

 

[neko]

+1000..." Get rid of the violence"???? The hitting is more violent than the fighting. Does he want to get rid of the hitting?? C'mon, this is Hockey for Christ sake...

Yeah, I agree with that. Most of the serious injuries come from the hits and not the two punch, sweater around the shoulders, high school wrestling match fights.

Hockey isn't second tier because of the violence. Someone gets a concussion every Sunday in the NFL and the crowd goes crazy for huge hits.

Hockey is second tier because it's not American and most Americans can't go to the local park and shoot the puck around. They lack the connection.

 

[jpc]

I dunno, but the actual "fighting", even in this series, is much less than I remember even a decade ago. Although I DO know people who think a game is boring until there's a fight, and I think they're idiots.

However, you got big guys, playing close quarters in a small rink, at very high speeds. Pair those facts with human nature, and things are going to get physical, and sometimes even violent. For the VERY SAME REASON that it's such a fast and exciting sport, there's going to be an element of violence in the game whether you like it or not, so you can enjoy the game knowing that's how it is, or just don't enjoy it. Complaining about how physical hockey is, and that it can even turn violent, is like complaining that there's too much violence in the UFC. I don't mean to say that violence is an objective or should even be part of the draw of hockey, but unless you make the rink the size of a soccer field, and/or take away the skates (slowing down the pace), it's going to be an inherent part of the game that can't be removed without changing the sport to such a degree, you might as well stop calling it hockey. It's not about saying "F you" to potential fans who might watch the game if it were somehow less physical - it's just that it's simply not possible, if you want to keep the elements that make hockey "one of the fastest and most exciting sports on TV".

With that being said... these past few games have featured a lot sneaky, underhanded, and dirty playing, by both sides. Obviously some are going to disagree with me because nobody wants to think their team won any way but fairly, but Boston has really been piling it on with a bunch of dirty moves, too small to get much attention from the refs, but frequent enough to make Vancouver play frustrated and angry, rather than calm and collected. Don't get me wrong, Vancouver is hardly innocent, but it seems to be almost central to Boston's game plan. Marchand is probably the worst offender, and I'm not even talking about that stack of penalties he managed to earn himself all at once. He's especially been targeting Vancouver's key players in the Sedin twins, and despite the fact he's a tiny guy, the Sedins have a reputation of being pushovers, and they're certainly allowing him to continue to get away with that crap. Funny thing people keep bringing up the counterproductiveness of the instigator rule - if players were able to police themselves a bit more, that little **** would be too injured by now to keep playing.

Ultimately though, despite the massive amount of penalties being handed out, the refs are giving players FAR too much leeway, and allowing the games to get way too emotional. They need to start calling every little thing and regain control of the games - only then do we have a chance of seeing some good, and fairly balanced hockey, rather than these mindgames (and eventual explosion of tempers) that have dominated the last few games.

Really?

I beg to differ. The real "cheap stuff" hasn't started until the past couple games were WELL out of hand. Surely there is a bit of marginal stuff that goes on in the game, but that is present in every single game of the season and playoffs. If a team isn't pushing the envelope a bit, trying to get any slight advantage that they can, then they aren't engaged in the game.

I wouldn't single out Marchand for this-- Burrows is a complete ******, and Kesler can be as well. Their antics are at least as bad as Marchand.

About the only thing I'll agree with you on is the fact that I don't give a rat's ass about "attracting new fans" to the game. I've seen what San Jose considers "fans", and they don't know **** about the game, despite having a team for 20 years. The "warm weather" stuff has failed miserably, as evidenced by a second franchise failure in Atlanta. Bettman is a moron, and should have been removed YEARS ago.

 

[paulthenurse]

Marchand is playing a brilliant series. He has totally taken the best players on the Canucks and marginalized them. It reminds me of how Stevie Kasper used to climb inside Gretzky's sweater and take him out of the game.

If a top player let's himself get flustered because a lesser player is smacking him around all night that's not an indictment of the lesser player. Should Marchand stop harassing the twins? That exchange they kept showing over and over from the beginning of the game was outstanding. Marchand had Sedin not knowing if he was an orange or a banana. Brilliant! If Vancouver doesn't like it they should do something (i.e. score) to make him stop.

 

[wildwest450]

What happened in the B's game? I was busy brewing 80 proof cough syrup so I can try to one up my portly hero.