dry hoppimg vs using extract

[fluketamer]

i havent got dry hopping down yet. i have had decvent results using hop teas but its inconsistant.

has anyone had any luck with abstrax hop extract for adding aroma/ flavor instead of dryhopping

 

[NiwotBrew]

I’ve been having good results with an oil, Oast House oils, probably a similar product. Easy to use and taste very much like dry hopped beer to me. It’s fluid at refrigerated temp, I add it to about an ounce of vodka in a very small jar, shake that up, then add it to a keg. It’s basically Instant, but I feel like it really settles in after about 2 days.

 

[fluketamer]

thanks i am seeing a lot of aroma extracts that i didnt know existed. i dont see many reviews at all for them. i am wondering if this is a new technology/ product or an older one that didnt turn out too successful. i have never seen threads on here about aroma extracts.

 

[BrewnWKopperKat]

i have never seen threads on here about aroma extracts.

Have you seen any podcasts, pro web site, or pro magazine articles on these products? Once you see a couple of resources, it may be 3 to 6 months before the early adapters open discussions in forums.

These hop aroma extract products are expensive. Maybe they are not a product in every home brewers inventory.

In the recent past, I have found that these products have been hard to find - especially in packaging that works for 5 gal batches. MoreBeer is starting to show some "non pro" SKUs that may work with smaller batch sizes. Last I read (over in /r/homebrewing) their CA warehouse moved about a week ago. So maybe I'll check product availability in about a month.

There are also cost considerations and a "pile it on" factor (usually negative) when it comes discussion on certain topics. After too many replies of "it's too expensive" or "it's like baking a cake", the best choice is almost always to 'walk away' from the topic.

 

[fluketamer]

Have you seen any podcasts, pro web site, or pro magazine articles on these products? Once you see a couple of resources, it may be 3 to 6 months before the early adapters open discussions in forums.

These hop aroma extract products are expensive. Maybe they are not a product in every home brewers inventory.

In the recent past, I have found that these products have been hard to find - especially in packaging that works for 5 gal batches. MoreBeer is starting to show some "non pro" SKUs that may work with smaller batch sizes. Last I read (over in /r/homebrewing) their CA warehouse moved about a week ago. So maybe I'll check product availability in about a month.

There are also cost considerations and a "pile it on" factor (usually negative) when it comes discussion on certain topics. After too many replies of "it's too expensive" or "it's like baking a cake", the best choice is almost always to 'walk away' from the topic.

thanks for the reply. i ask becasue i noticed over at morebeer they are available in homebrewer size.

https://www.morebeer.com/products/abstrax-quantum-series-hop-extract-mos.html

and not that expensive .

i was going to pull the trigger but i saw some reviews on reddit that didnt sound too appealing.

also there website doesnt explain the difference between there terpene extract and quantum series extract that well. maybe the terpenes are more aroma and the quantum more flavor?

from the little i have read it seems like these aroma extracts are more for adding than substituting for dry hop flavor/ aroma.

 

[BrewnWKopperKat]

i was going to pull the trigger but i saw some reviews on reddit that didnt sound too appealing.

Suggestion: wait 6 (or 12) months and then review products available.

My lurking/saving/filtering process for /r/homebrewing has resulted (so far) in one topic (link) that was (IMO) optimistic. But that opinion is based on the personas in /r/homebrewing that I 'pay attention to'.

Hop and Brew School (link) is an annual event that occurs around hop harvest. Information from that event often takes 6 to 9 months to filter into home brewing forum discussion. The Experimental Brewing podcast (link) had an episode that may be worth a listen. Over tiime, I have found that BeerSmith podcast (link) is a good source of products and processes that can 'scale down' from professionals to home brewers (CB&B podcasts may be another source).

For me, and at the moment, the aroma hop extract products appear to be an interesting "kit hack" for the MoreBeer "Flash Brewing" kits.

 

[Bramling Cross]

With the price of aroma hops becoming ever more dear, I could certainly see an effective extract alternative becoming feasible. Being willing to try most anything once in my brewery, I did try the original bittering hop extracts and found them to be awkward to work with in a world awash with 15%+AA hops. Bluntly, they answered a problem that I didn't have in my home brewery, but I can see where they'd be useful in production environment.

By contrast, the aroma stuff could be really interesting by solving actual problems: 1) whirlpool and dry hops suck up a lot of very expensive beer; 2) effectively dry hopping in an oxygen free environment is a lot more difficult than simply installing a ball lock port on your fermenter or utilizing the same port on your keg to inject oxygen free extract; 3) Perhaps extract could be used to tame the crop-to-crop differences of the more mercurial varieties? A stable, reliable SIMCOE? Sounds good to me! 4) T-90s, vacuum packed and frozen, are pretty stable, but I'd imagine extract could be even more stable--that would be great for hops that I enjoy but don't use in large quantities. Sorachi Ace extract? I'll have some of that, especially if it can be made to be its old reliable Lemon Pine-Sol self.

I would eagerly try some of the new extracts...but it's been decades since I last saw the back of my freezer, if you know what I mean.

 

[fluketamer]

With the price of aroma hops becoming ever more dear, I could certainly see an effective extract alternative becoming feasible. Being willing to try most anything once in my brewery, I did try the original bittering hop extracts and found them to be awkward to work with in a world awash with 15%+AA hops. Bluntly, they answered a problem that I didn't have in my home brewery, but I can see where they'd be useful in production environment.

By contrast, the aroma stuff could be really interesting by solving actual problems: 1) whirlpool and dry hops suck up a lot of very expensive beer; 2) effectively dry hopping in an oxygen free environment is a lot more difficult than simply installing a ball lock port on your fermenter or utilizing the same port on your keg to inject oxygen free extract; 3) Perhaps extract could be used to tame the crop-to-crop differences of the more mercurial varieties? A stable, reliable SIMCOE? Sounds good to me! 4) T-90s, vacuum packed and frozen, are pretty stable, but I'd imagine extract could be even more stable--that would be great for hops that I enjoy but don't use in large quantities. Sorachi Ace extract? I'll have some of that, especially if it can be made to be its old reliable Lemon Pine-Sol self.

I would eagerly try some of the new extracts...but it's been decades since I last saw the back of my freezer, if you know what I mean.

i happened across them in morebeer by clicking the new product link. it interests me because like you said it would be so much easier than dry hopping. and i often find my beers lacking only in aroma . and i felt this could be a potential post fermentation fix.