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How am I encouraging? I am just questioning the idea that it is illegal. I do wish somebody had encouraged me to go to brewing school when I was college age, it would have been a better use of all the money I spent on my undergraduate degree. I also can't worry too much about somebody's age because I have no way of knowing it. The average age of students at the University of New Mexico is over 21. I could say I am 14 or 84 and no one would know which was correct.

Reckless and irresponsible, I don't think so.
 
Brewpastor said:
I also can't worry too much about somebody's age because I have no way of knowing it. The average age of students at the University of New Mexico is over 21. I could say I am 14 or 84 and no one would know which was correct.

Reckless and irresponsible, I don't think so.


Check out his profile.

Brewpastor said:
If somebody wants to take information and use it in an illegal manner that is not my fault as the author.

Not exactly discouraging a minor from making/drinking beer, are you?
 
What I want to know is do you mean "in the closet" as in someday you will come out of the closet or as in the place you keep your smelly old shoes and unwashed clothes.
 
My take - This forum is here to exchange info and ideas. How that info is used is out of our control once it's in the public domain. Having said that, I too have an issue with supplying someone with the means and knowledge to make beer if they are not of legal age to do so. Yes, you can go out and kill/be killed for your country at 18 and I certainly believe that the disparity in that age and drinking age is an issue, though I hardly think that 18 year olds are responsible enough to drink in a manner that would not cause them or someone else harm. Hell, 18 year olds can't be responsible behind the wheel and I was certainly included in that class. Did I drink in college? Absolutely, though at the time, the drinking age in NJ was 18. Should kids in college these days drink? That's up to them. Saying they should or shouldn't isn't going to change their actions. As far as being able to legally brew, I doubt it. I was in a store in Florida one time and brought beer up to the register. The girl there had to call someone over to ring it up because she was not old enough and could not even touch the beer.
 
Not exactly discouraging a minor from making/drinking beer, are you?

He's not a minor, he's 19, he is just "under age". I think Brewpastor is taking a very libertarian (note not LIBERAL) approach to this and I dont see it as encouraging this kid to brew or not. Even though he is "under age" he is still an adult who needs to make adult decisions. If he takes the risk and gets caught he will pay the consequences and thats a decision he will have to make

The whole reason I started brewing was to learn how to make a mash and do some illegal distilling. I'm an adult and if I choose to distill and am willing to deal with the possible consequnces then so be it, but i wont be asking for anyones advice in the US on the subject unless they are willing to volenteer it

I'm with Bird on this one too. If he want to search feel free but i'm not saying anything directly to him
 
I think everyone needs to relax and have a home brew. One way or another, this guy is going to pull it off, just like that kid everyone heard about who walked all the way from the liquor store across campus, past the police station, to his dorm with a 30 of beast. Might as well save is soul and tell him how to do it right. My first post on this forum was in April of last year. I turned 21 in August. We need to be realistic here. Home brewing is a fun, sound hobby. That's the impression I got last April, and I wish I learned about home brewing sooner. It would be a lot of fun to brew in a dorm. Sure there is a risk: a write-up. Four and a half gallons of a stout from extract is not going to get someone's stomach pumped... unless it sucks. Sure, the guy lacked bad forum manners and common sense with regard hiding dorm contraband, but, whatever.

Listen, just tell your RA (or CA as they call them here at UConn) that the smell is your bed sheets that you haven't changed all semester. At most schools, RA's can't look in your closet or drawer unless it's open already. And read the rules and policy for your residence hall.
 
I refuse to get into this debate, and I also refuse to provide any info on hiding your brew project.

However, quit UTEP, move to California, and go to UC Davis. They have a brewing program that is supposedly quite good!
 
Genghis77 said:
Prisoners in some of the finest high security prisons are making home brews. Doing so in a college dorm shouldn't present much challenge.
Some of them make wine in their toilets with moldy bread.
 
Brewpastor said:
Is it really against the law to brew under 21. I find that hard to believe. I know somebody under 21 can be employed as a brewer and take course work in brewing.
no, it is not illegal to brew under 21, but it is illegal to DRINK or POSSESS under 21, so as long I don't "possess" "beer".... just some nasty water I never threw out (what do ya know!) then Im good. And I'm not here to look for info on how to brew, I already have ordered all the equipment, I only got on here to ask if there were any terrible odors that came with brewing.
 
and I am not asking for info on how to hide my brew, My RA has helped me build a beeramid before, I was simply asking about the smell.
You guys are so opinionated.
 
tmabbotutep said:
no, it is not illegal to brew under 21, but it is illegal to DRINK or POSSESS under 21, so as long I don't "possess" "beer".... just some nasty water I never threw out (what do ya know!) then Im good. And I'm not here to look for info on how to brew, I already have ordered all the equipment, I only got on here to ask if there were any terrible odors that came with brewing.

Ok, well once you pitch the yeast and fermentation starts, you have beer... So as long as you don't ferment it you can brew... Just nasty water you never threw out that is in a carboy with an airlock in it, which you then bottled or kegged. Right and that tube with the burnt cilantro is a cooking accident???

To answer your question, Yes, you get a smell when you boil the wort and while it's fermenting, but since you're not going to possess alcohol i guess you don't have to worry about the fermentation smell... And yes it IS illegal to brew under 21...

Excerpt from Papazian's "Joy of Home Brewing"
"Now it is legal (homebrewing). By Federal Law an adult TWENTY-ONE (21, that's 2 and 1) years or OLDER (not younger) is permitted to brew... Not more than 100 gallons of beer in a year...and so on

Wow, i guess that blows your argument out of the water... I can see it now, I get into homebrewing and all of a sudden 1 case of an under 21 college student brewing brings prohibition back... I waited why can't you?
 
tmabbotutep said:
I was simply asking about the smell.

You guys are so opinionated.

It will smell terrible. Drink Kool-Aid, kid.

Opinionated...maybe. But the law is fact. And what you are making is illegal for another two years in the US. Period.

I vowed not to get into this debate here, but now you pissed me off.

Don't jeopardize my legal hobby just because you want cheap hooch and/or beer that you don't have to buy at the store you can't get into.
 
olllllo said:
1. We didn't have the internet. We figured it out on our own.
2. I don't feel obliged to help him.
3. Obviously he lacks the skills to pull it off since he posted his age and he identified it as a dorm.

damn....seriously you need to relax and have a brew.
 
Yuri makes a good point, though. While most instances would illicit a "RDWHAHB" from me---some kid putting the legality of my homebrewing in jeopardy isn't one of them. Today's overreactionary ******* politicians would love to make this some kind of pet issue, and the overreactionary media would love to aid and abet. I can just see it now...one kid gets caught making "bathtub brew" in his dorm room, and suddenly, all the idiot talking heads on the morning shows are blathering about how it's the worst scourge since oxycontin. Said ******* politician swings into action and demands that we must ban the hobby altogether, because as long as people are legally allowed to obtain malt, hops water and yeast, there's no way to control this "scourge". I mean, good god, ANY kid could make "bathtub brew" in his/her dorm room, and then they could share it with their friends, and they could all DIE! DIE, I tell you!

And the sheeple would all fall into line and support the ban. And then I'd be forced to buy malt and hops and yeast from a dealer in a back alley at 10X the cost, and I'd have to hide my homebrew operation in a shed in the woods and guard it with dogs and a gun.

F*ck that, dude. In an ideal world, this "kid", who is old enough to go kill and be killed by "insurgents" would be able to legally combine yeast, hops, water and malt and drink the resulting liquid. But we don't live in that world. We live in the world where some kid finds a glitch in a video game which shows a pixellated sex scene, and suddenly all of the US Congress swings into action to demonize video games and call for their destruction.

[/soapbox]
 
HE's in college. As far as I'm concerned, he's old enough and mature enough. If he hadn't made it out of his paretns house by this age, then he definitely has more important things to worry about, but since he's in college, I'll give him the thumbs up.

Welcome to the board, dorm-brewer. Forgive those who denigrade based on age instead of maturity level. Please just be kind and don't ask to do a swap with anyone. That's the only rule.
 
Cheesefood said:
HE's in college. As far as I'm concerned, he's old enough and mature enough. If he hadn't made it out of his paretns house by this age, then he definitely has more important things to worry about, but since he's in college, I'll give him the thumbs up.

Welcome to the board, dorm-brewer. Forgive those who denigrade based on age instead of maturity level. Please just be kind and don't ask to do a swap with anyone. That's the only rule.

Now see, this is the kind of answer I expected to see from a bunch of beer drinkers. Cheers to you Cheese!

We all drank in college, this is fact. And I think its safe to say we all drank mega swill while in college. And with that said, I raise a glass to you sir for wanting to raise the bar on what you put in your pint glass. And make sure you share the fuits of your labors with your friends and their friends.

Above all, just be responsible. And it is a better idea to brew off campus for the simple fact that as a starving college student, getting your **** confiscated would be a major setback.


seriously, some of you are acting like hes making meth in his dormroom, not beer
 
Chimone said:
seriously, some of you are acting like hes making meth in his dormroom, not beer

When it comes to "The Children!", many politicians wouldn't see the difference, and many puritan-traditionalist-redstaters wouldn't either. All they would see was "underage kids manufacture alcohol by legally obtaining ingredients from the internet". Prohibition wasn't that long ago...and as for whether he's making meth, I'll say this: marijuana is no more dangerous than homebrew, and just see what happens if you get caught trying to make THAT in your closet.

As I said, in a perfect, just world, this guy would be free to make what he pleased so long as it didn't harm anyone else. But the unfortunate reality of our modern culture is that politicians like to ban stuff, especially when it's "for the children".
 
Cheesefood said:
HE's in college. As far as I'm concerned, he's old enough and mature enough.

Same here. As far as I'm concerned, he's old and mature enough. If you're old enough to go fight and kill and die for your country, and old enough to drive a deadly weapon (car) around every day, and old enough to determine the political future of this country by voting...then you're sure as hell old enough to have a drink.

Unfortunately, "as far as we're concerned" doesn't carry too much weight with politicians who like to exploit people's fears regarding the safety of their children. :(
 
well for those who think that becasue of him brewing beer in his dorm would result in the rest of us loosing our priveledge to brew....... well sorry you feel that way. I don't think that would ever happen though.
 
The way I see it, if you're underage AND dumb enough to enter your real birthday into your profile AND dumb enough to start threads about making beer while you're underage, we shouldn't be assisting.

At least show us the courtesy of lying about your age.
 
Chimone said:
well for those who think that becasue of him brewing beer in his dorm would result in the rest of us loosing our priveledge to brew....... well sorry you feel that way. I don't think that would ever happen though.

I know, probably won't happen...but...I don't put anything past our government, especially when it comes to their favorite bogeymen, drugs and alcohol. Prohibition wasn't THAT long ago...and there are actually still "dry" parts of this great nation. Personally, I don't think it's that farfetched for a few kids to get caught homebrewing and the resulting government action is to put heavy restrictions on the hobby and supporting industry. Perhaps it would not be banned altogether, but increased government restrictions would mean higher prices for us, without a doubt. Imagine if an adult had to sign for each one of your homebrew supply packages? Ever tried to ship wine or beer via FedEx? That little signature requirement thing costs money. Just sayin...it's not as farfetched as you think.
 
rdwj said:
The way I see it, if you're underage AND dumb enough to enter your real birthday into your profile AND dumb enough to start threads about making beer while you're underage, we shouldn't be assisting.

At least show us the courtesy of lying about your age.

My feelings exactly. C'mon, LIE TO ME!

How tough is it to drop your year of birth by two or three years? Phrase the question as "My g/f is concerned that the fermenting beer will smell rank." After the obligitory remark about the g/f needing to concern herself with her own odor, we'd answer the question and none would be the wiser.

And, when I was in high school, I would have never expected to be able to walk into a liquor store and ask the guy there the best way for me to get some booze. The only "adult" I would expect to help me get drunk was the creepy dude we paid $3 to buy us a case of Bud (and who wanted to be our friend). Any question that a kid trying to get started in this hobby would ask has been asked and answered countless times; I don't feel compelled to hold his hand.
 
This is an interesting topic, and one that has inspired a greater strength of opinion than usualy seen here. We all have our opinions but I think that the law is clear. It is illegal to hommebrew if you are under 21.

Given the "blame everybody but the moron" state of parenting and police/politicial PC/PR these days, I do not think it would be too far fetched for a 19 year old college student to ask a bunch of questions on the a'here board, brew up some hooch, drink it all, pass out, get his stomach pumped out, get suspended from school, and have Mommy and Daddy find out he got the info from some *evil* adults out on homebrewtalk.com. Scapegoat found!!!!!

In the end, why risk the safety of this amazing board by exposing the community to the risk of ending up on the wrong end of some over-zealous parent, lawyer or politician......or even the law. Assisting someone in breaking the law is, in fact, breaking the law.

That being said, I started dabbling in brewing when I was 18. I read books and bought ingredients locally. I wasn't about to expose the LHBS to risk by telling them I was 18.
 
Listen. I don't care that he drinks. I don't care that he brews.
Yes, most of us did.

I think its just like the kid that hangs around the liquor store and asks if people will buy for him. Everyone has the individual right to say yes or no so there's no problem on that level. Is Evan's scenario probable or possible? I think it possible, but all of that is debatable.

Here's the problem. In the above scenario, all of the members in this forum are partial owners/ stakeholders of the liquor store and quite frankly it seems more probable than not that one concerned parent could make it financially unfeasable for TXBrewer to keep it open.

So Chimone. I drank underage and I don't care that this UTEP student does, but I am not willing to lose this forum over it. That's something I won't relax about because this has been one of the best things about brewing.
 
rdwj said:
The way I see it, if you're underage AND dumb enough to enter your real birthday into your profile AND dumb enough to start threads about making beer while you're underage, we shouldn't be assisting.

At least show us the courtesy of lying about your age.

Yes! And in some small measure THAT is how we help this guy.

the_bird said:
And, when I was in high school, I would have never expected to be able to walk into a liquor store and ask the guy there the best way for me to get some booze.

Exactly. Nor would you do anything to get someone you know in trouble.
 
Yeah...losing this forum as a scapegoat in some underage booze witchhunt is another dire possibility that could arise from us aiding and abetting this guy.

Makes me think...maybe, when you sign up, there should be one of those "I verify that I am 21 years of age" buttons. It wouldn't actually require proof, but it would immunize TXBrew and all of us should some witchhunt go down. They do this on, say, Miller Lite's website.
 
olllllo said:
So Chimone. I drank underage and I don't care that this UTEP student does, but I am not willing to lose this forum over it. That's something I won't relax about because this has been one of the best things about brewing.

You seriously think that could possibly happen? That homebrewing is so borderline acceptable, that it could be snatched up by the man forever?

Especially over one guy who wants to learn how to brew here? I think you are overthinking this just a bit.....Ok granted....lie to us, you are under 21 and that is law, I can accept that. But to think that one person getting caught brewing at college would bring this all the a screecthing stop is just beyond me
 
Chimone said:
Especially over one guy who wants to learn how to brew here? I think you are overthinking this just a bit.....Ok granted....lie to us, you are under 21 and that is law, I can accept that. But to think that one person getting caught brewing at college would bring this all the a screecthing stop is just beyond me

This is one case, but this issue comes up at least once a month, a lot more than that when school's out. So while this one kid isn't likely going to be the end of homebrewtalk, is your answer the same when it's fifteen or twenty kids a year? If word gets out and it's more like thirty or forty?

How many underage kids do you think lurk here? I bet it's a lot more that you'd imagine. Most aren't posting, and most are smart enough to put in a fake address and fake DOB. So, think about this not in terms of this one kid in particular (whose fundamental question is pretty minor), but in terms of how you would approach this issue in more general terms.

If your answer is the same, I'll respect that - but I'll respectfully disagree. I won't knowingly respond to someone that I know is underage, if I suspect someone is underage I'll probably grill them a little, and if I know someone is underage because of their profile I'll make sure that others are aware of that fact before they respond.
 
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