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Airborneguy said:
Whenever someone says "slippery slope" and they aren't skiing or mountaineering, I throw up in my mouth.

Indeed. You'd think that a bunch of brewers would be more wary of the argument, since it's the heart and soul of every prohibition-era law in this country. Part of believing that individuals can make rational decisions is acknowledging that he or she can distinguish shades other than black and white.
 
I have four kids. The oldest is 6 and the youngest is still brewing. They've all sampled "grown up" drinks, and they all know the difference between quality and swill. Even my 17 month old has to be reminded "SMALL sip! SMALL sip!" She would drain the glass if you let her. And I'm perfectly comfortable drinking up to about a 4 oz. pour while pregnant a couple of times a week, or tasting generously from the sample tube when testing the gravity.

Besides exposing them to responsible alcohol consumption, I think the home brewing process really teaches them that alcoholic beverages are about so much more than just getting drunk. They see how much work we put into a batch of beer to make it taste right. They even get to help as much as they can. Honestly the only limitations on helping are more for sanitation reasons than anything else. Kids are germ monkeys.
 
Otterella said:
I have four kids. The oldest is 6 and the youngest is still brewing. They've all sampled "grown up" drinks, and they all know the difference between quality and swill. Even my 17 month old has to be reminded "SMALL sip! SMALL sip!" She would drain the glass if you let her. And I'm perfectly comfortable drinking up to about a 4 oz. pour while pregnant a couple of times a week, or tasting generously from the sample tube when testing the gravity.

Besides exposing them to responsible alcohol consumption, I think the home brewing process really teaches them that alcoholic beverages are about so much more than just getting drunk. They see how much work we put into a batch of beer to make it taste right. They even get to help as much as they can. Honestly the only limitations on helping are more for sanitation reasons than anything else. Kids are germ monkeys.

Sounds like we need you in this debate too!!
https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f96/drinking-whilst-pregnant-360396/
 
My sons are 15 and 12, I don't really care what others do, but these two are too young at this point IMO to be drinking alcohol.
 
Airborneguy said:
Whew, that one got judgmental real fast!

I'm not judging!! I'm all for personal rights especially with this since pregnant women have been drinking alcohol for thousands of years!! I just thought since she's doing what "most of american society" deems unsafe and what laws state that her experiences would be appreciated in that thread..
 
I've read through a large number of these posts and i've got a different perspective to share.

I've just gotten into the brewing hobby and love it. I have only been legally allowed to drink for a few years now (<5) and grew up in a family where there was no alcohol in the house. I wish i had been educated before i got to college and didnt know what to expect. Instead of it being something I respected, it was something new and exciting and that makes it much easier to become a problem. I've had my share of "those nights" and wish my dad would have educated me more of what to expect, rather than just completely ignoring the topic. I can also say that IF i have kids one day you better bet the first time they drink is with me. I would much rather be there to explain what beer can do and how easy you can get hurt before they go out and find out on their own with people who can't take care of them or have little experience.

I have always loved to cook, and with homebrewing i can experiment with tastes and aromas to create my own brews and I find that awesome. I think brewing is a great hobby for those who enjoy cooking and DIY, which is me in a nutshell.
 
Really? Baptists are a small group compared to say, those of Islamic belief where drinking is forbidden. There is plenty of trouble in regions where the Islamic faith is predominant.
 
MalFet said:
I dunno about that. There aren't too many Baptists in Bangladesh, Laos, or Sierra Leone. Not sure I'd identify any of those places as exactly problem-free.

Heh... Syria, Egypt, and Libya are wall-to-wall Baptists. Triad of contentment right there!
 
Really? Baptists are a small group compared to say, those of Islamic belief where drinking is forbidden. There is plenty of trouble in regions where the Islamic faith is predominant.

And where Buddhism is predominant. And where Hinduism is predominant. And where shamanism is predominant. And where people aren't particularly religious...
 
I'm not judging!! I'm all for personal rights especially with this since pregnant women have been drinking alcohol for thousands of years!! I just thought since she's doing what "most of american society" deems unsafe and what laws state that her experiences would be appreciated in that thread..

I knew what you meant, its some other people in that thread that did enough judging for all of us!
 
Not to continually beat a dead horse, but I think part of this is also about knowing your kids, and what they're likely to be OK with vs. what could be a problem for them. Two admittedly anecdotal pieces of evidence from my life:

Story 1: When I turned 18 years old, my older brother bought me a corncob pipe and some tobacco and we had a smoke together, a sort of coming-of-age ritual. At the time he gave me a very sensible speech, something along the lines of, "This thing is fun to do sometimes, but it can be dangerous if you do it too much, and it can be addictive. Don't be stupid with it." I'm now 31, and I smoke occasionally (pipes and cigars), but I've never had anything like a habit--I'll smoke maybe once every 1-2 months, and I don't miss it or even think much about it in between.

When our younger brother (ten years younger than me) turned 18, I bought him a pipe and some tobacco, and gave him the same speech our older brother had given me. However, my little brother, to my dismay, really got into smoking quite heavily, and is now smoking cigarettes regularly and dipping as well. He swears up and down that he's not addicted and can quit whenever he feels like it, but it's pretty clear that to me that he's got an issue. I feel pretty sh*tty about this since I'm the one who "initiated" him in the habit, even though I stressed to him (several times now) the dangers inherent in abusing tobacco and the risk of becoming dependent on it.

Story 2: I have two sons, ages 6 (almost 7) and 8. I'm sure I could give my older son alcohol and he would have no problem with it. He helps out with brewing and is interested in the process, but doesn't like the smell of the results. With my younger son, on the other hand, I am concerned about giving him a sample of my beers. He is fascinated with growing up and being an adult, doing the things that adults do. He gets upset because he can't stay up as late as we do, he doesn't understand why Daddy can say some words that he can't say (like "stupid"--I try to minimize the cursing around the little guys), and he really wants to drink alcohol. And he's very interested in the idea of what it's like to be "drunk". This is probably because we just finished reading Treasure Island where many of the characters have, ahem, a negative relationship with alcohol. He jokes about feeling drunk and talks about how he wants to get drunk, in spite of his mom's and my attempts to explain that when people get drunk they (a) usually do stupid stuff that they regret later and (b) end up getting horribly sick afterwards. And it's not just with alcohol where I can see these tendencies in my younger son--he is always wanting to take medicine, even to the point of making his mom and I think that he's sick so we'll give him some.

If I only had my older son I wouldn't hesitate to give him an occasional taste of my drinks. As it is, I don't allow either of them to try it, because I don't want to have a double standard, but I also don't want my younger son to get the idea that it's fun and exciting to drink whenever you can get your hands on the stuff, like the way he apparently feels about cough medicine. I will probably allow them to drink limited quantities under my supervision at home when they're older (like 14 or 15), but for now it's off limits.

But my point with both of these stories is that much depends on you children's personalities. I could give my younger son alcohol right now and maybe it would remove the mystery, but maybe it would just make him like it more and make him more prone to drinking more of it in the future when he's out with friends, since "it's no big deal, I drink at home all the time." Maybe my little brother would have taken up smoking all by himself, but my attempt to share some brotherly bonding the way that our older brother did with me didn't work out that way. What had worked for me (it taught me that tobacco was something to be enjoyed but also respected for the potential harm that it could cause) didn't work for him. And I think the same is probably true with kids and alcohol. For some, being introduced to it at a young age might be the way to keep them from fetishizing it when they're older. For others, doing so might make them more prone to abusing it later on in life.

I should also mention that there's a pretty serious history of alcoholism in my family, as my grandfather and uncle on my mom's side and grandfather, grandmother, father and two uncles on my dad's side were all (or are now) legendary drunks. It's something I've always been VERY aware of with respect to my own consumption, but thankfully I think that gene skipped me. But with regard to my kids, I'm also very aware that either or both of them may have some degree of predisposition, which makes the whole issue more complex as well.

Anyway, those are my thoughts on the subject.
 
For those saying they don't let their kids drink at home because it's against the law: it's never too late to start thinking for yourself. Laws don't change people, they change consequences, and profit opportunities.

Let say that one week you and your 21 year old son are watching a football game at home drinking a beer, then the next week they raise the legal age to 22 (assume no grandfather clause). You're actually going to tell your son that you two can't watch the game and drink beer like you did last week? Weak.

If childhood obesity causes sugar or pizza to become illegal for kids, you would ban them from your kids that do sports all year? Weak.
 
For those saying they don't let their kids drink at home because it's against the law: it's never too late to start thinking for yourself.

And for you, it's never too late to start thinking about someone other than yourself. ;)

Some people value and support the rule of law. No need to treat them as sheep.
 
m_stodd's example sounds oh so witty until you read back and realize most of the people saying that their decision is based on the law are referring to children in their early teens, or even younger. We're not arguing over the righteousness of giving beer to a 20 years, 364 day old kid as far as I can tell.

There are plenty of people who agree with the 21 to drink law. Honestly, I tend to agree that it is a good measure, mainly because it gives most teenagers a few years to learn how to drive properly before alcohol comes into the equation. What someone allows in their own home though is a different matter. I'm not going to play the "out of my cold dead hands" nonsense over something no authority will ever find out about anyway.
 
MalFet said:
And for you, it's never too late to start thinking about someone other than yourself. ;)

Some people value and support the rule of law. No need to treat them as sheep.

This country was founded by people who followed the rule of law....wait....no it wasn't.
 
This country was founded by people who followed the rule of law....wait....no it wasn't.

I think you'll find that the founders of this country were very committed to the rule of law. The American revolution was a carefully considered response to injustice. It wasn't a bunch of dudes sitting around leeching the latest Ke$ha torrents, feeling empowered by what they could get away with.
 
MalFet said:
I think you'll find that the founders of this country were very committed to the rule of law. The American revolution was a carefully considered response to injustice. It wasn't a bunch of dudes sitting around leeching the latest Ke$ha torrents, feeling empowered by what they could get away with.

I would imagine the British would have a different point of view,but maybe not (about the injustice, not Ke$ha). Of course I've often been accused of a little treason now and then. I have yet to meet a person who has obeyed every law, of course we all make mistakes, but the "I always obey the rules" guy will speed when he's late or not claim the $25 bucks a week he gets for mowing the neighbors lawn. People should purposely read the banned book (yes there are still banned books), question rule of law and teach their children about responsible alcohol use. Not let them be in college for 2 or 3 years and have their first drink at a frat party. The kid down the street who is adult enough to chose to join the army, train to kill and risk being killed is adult enough to have a beer.
 
I would imagine the British would have a different point of view,but maybe not (about the injustice, not Ke$ha). Of course I've often been accused of a little treason now and then. I have yet to meet a person who has obeyed every law, of course we all make mistakes, but the "I always obey the rules" guy will speed when he's late or not claim the $25 bucks a week he gets for mowing the neighbors lawn. People should purposely read the banned book (yes there are still banned books), question rule of law and teach their children about responsible alcohol use. Not let them be in college for 2 or 3 years and have their first drink at a frat party. The kid down the street who is adult enough to chose to join the army, train to kill and risk being killed is adult enough to have a beer.

If you read my posts in this thread, you'll find I'm not arguing against any of that. My point is simply that ridiculing people who respect the law for the law's sake is kind of juvenile.
 
MalFet said:
If you read my posts in this thread, you'll find I'm not arguing against any of that. My point is simply that ridiculing people who respect the law for the law's sake is kind of juvenile.

Very true...I misunderstood what you were getting at. Viva la revolution!
 
That's a hell of a word fort.

Oh sorry--didn't realize we weren't looking for an actual thoughtful conversation here. Maybe some easy, trite, quasi-ideological pap is more your style, like the following:

Dadgum guvment cain't tell me what to do with my kin! Don't tread on me!

There, is that better?
 
Much bettar! Damn right. Fck da police! <---------------see, it gets the point across pretty well.
 
And for you, it's never too late to start thinking about someone other than yourself. ;)

Some people value and support the rule of law. No need to treat them as sheep.

I think he was just stating that one should not follow a law because it is law. We all as American's respect our laws, but I highly doubt everyone thinks EVERY law is legit. Basically it sounds like you are willing to do whatever the law states, regardless of how ridiculous. Like I said before, scary man....
 
jakenbacon said:
I think he was just stating that one should not follow a law because it is law. We all as American's respect our laws, but I highly doubt everyone thinks EVERY law is legit. Basically it sounds like you are willing to do whatever the law states, regardless of how ridiculous. Like I said before, scary man....

Please take a moment to read my posts in this thread before you start calling me names.
 
I guess there is always the converse opinion...if it's not necessary wrong to do something the law forbids then it's not necessarily right to do something just because the law allows it.
 
Whew, that one got judgmental real fast!

Otterella, what have people said about your little tastes while pregnant? My wife's doctor told her he preferred she drink a couple of glasses of wine a week rather than a single cup of coffee. No issues with either pregnancy or the girls afterwards, so his advice is solid by us!

When I was pregnant with my first was the only time I ever actually ordered a beer while visibly pregnant, and I mostly did it for the reaction. Sitting at the table, she couldn't see my belly, but when we were done and I stood up, she was horrified. It was pretty funny. And when I was pregnant with my second, my midwife said something similar. She said it was better to sit in a hot tub with a glass of red wine and sushi than to eat a bunch of processed crap.

But then, I'm a bit of a rebel in a lot of ways.
 
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