saluki_brewer
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Well I just hope that your $50 keg of DFH90 is worth spending eternity being scorched by white-hot flames of infinite sadness.
well i just hope that your $50 keg of dfh90 is worth spending eternity being scorched by white-hot flames of infinite sadness.
Option A - Kill 5 gallons of DF90 by next Friday
Option B - Get another corny keg
mixedbrewer said:An apartment is a container for a person, owned by someone else... the deposit is to encourage you to return it in the same shape as when you received it.
A keg is a container for beer, owned by someone else... the deposit is to encourage you to return it in the same shape as when you received it.
Its the same concept.
Option A - Kill 5 gallons of DF90 by next Friday
Option B - Get another corny keg
Option C - Send it to whutever
whiskey_pickle said:I am not going to read all of these posts again, but I think someone mentioned this..... My local grocery store sells BMC kegs and asks for a $35 deposit. After 4 months I take the keg back to the grocery store and I am told that the deposit is only good for 90 days and I can't get my deposit back. Next day I go to the distributor and ask if I can return the "empty" and get my deposit back and get asked "do you have a receipt?".....well, NO i don't have my receipt is my answer, to which I get the answer of " we will be glad to take back the keg, but the deposit has to be taken up with the "seller" of said keg.... By this time I don't give a shat, I will add this to my
you would think they'd buy any keg back if they're so expensive, even if you didn't get it from them
Well, in the State of NY, I can 100% guarantee you that this isn't stealing, by any definition. You can keep debating it, but you are wrong.
emjay said:If the damage to the apartment exceeds your deposit, you are legally responsible for the difference. Taking the keg and forfeiting the deposit is still theft of the difference in value.
The fact of the matter is, most breweries would LOVE to charge the full value of the keg as a deposit, and let you decide whether or not to return it. The only reason they charge significantly less is because it is not economically viable to do so... they simply wouldn't be able to sell many kegs if they charged way more for the deposit than the price of the beer itself. Hell, kegs can be worth around three times the deposit IN SCRAP in some places. Paying the deposit does not make it your property, and at no point does it actually become your property. It remains the property of the brewery at all times, until they either sell it or forfeit ownership of it.
Butain said:The difference between your apartment deposit and your keg deposit is this: you sign a contract when you rent an apartment. A consumer purchasing a keg of beer signs no contracts whatsoever with the brewery. At least not where I live and buy mine. Not only are no contracts signed with the brewery, none were signed with the distributor. It's true it may not be feasible for breweries to charge full price for kegs, but that doesn't stop them from being able to hold the distributors responsible for collecting them. They get the majority of their kegs back from businesses anyways, so again, they dont care about a few missing ones from individual consumers. Hence your paying a deposit on the keg; not renting the keg. That's the major difference. Rent means you have to return it. Deposit is in case you don't. Obviously they make more money on losing a few kegs than they would charging a full price deposit fee/ a flat out rental fee. If they charged a rental fee that you didn't get back, and required a cc to hold the rental for their insurance, they'd get all their kegs back I'm sure. Instead of being moral police on an internet forum, send letters to all your local breweries informing them of their bad business decisions and how they can ensure all kegs to be returned.. Oh wait.. You really dont care? That's what I thought...
Flomaster said:eh we all know its wrong on some level. whether or not we take the high road is another story.
I too like my cake and like to eat it too.
a small brewery like DFH I would not use for a keggle. but BMC you bet you @$S I would.
-=Jason=-
On Brewmasters, they showed Sam's first brew rig. It was a keggle system.
robtotten said:On Brewmasters, they showed Sam's first brew rig. It was a keggle system.
Butain said:My only issue with you statement emjay is this: there IS a difference between entering somebody elses property and removing items without permission. Yes that is theft.
If a business says: I'll sell you this beer for 100 bucks and charge you a DEPOSIT of 20 bucks for the keg in case you don't return it.
To me, that's not stealing. That just means I don't get my deposit back. Now if they said it was a rental, and took down my personal information than you would be correct. So from a legal standpoint you are completely wrong. It is not illegal to keep a keg. There are no legal agreements made at keg/beer purchase.
Maybe you live somewhere that does. I know I don't.
I've had in depth discussions with the owner of one of my local beer distributors. He has a pretty large operation. He said distributors and breweries are fine with people thinking it's illegal, even though it's really not. You were given the keg with no real defined terms, only that you pay a deposit to keep them.
Again, maybe the places you get your kegs from define your agreement more. I don't know. But I do know that they don't here where i live.
I pay a 5 cent deposit on my Coke cans....
On Brewmasters, they showed Sam's first brew rig. It was a keggle system.
You're 100% wrong.
If you don't believe me, walk down to the station and tell them that you've kept a keg and hack.
JRems said:I'm from ny too, you know the crap with the keg identification they do now, after a certain amount of time they forfeit your money for deposit and you can't return the keg. They have your name and address , why doesn't anyone ever investigate these "stolen" kegs. How are they stolen if they are unwilling to take it back?
UHHH...
I'm the guy at the "station" who reads every single report (I mentioned this previously) to ensure that it is properly classified as a crime. I actually get paid to make sure that crimes are properly classified. To sum it up, I either know every criminal law, or I have books to look it up at my fingertips.
So guess what?
You're 100% wrong.
EDIT: Everything I am saying applies only in the State of New York, as I have been saying all along. The person I am quoting lives in VA, and should be smarter than to tell someone in another state that they are 100% wrong about laws in their state...
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