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Related, 3 Stars is no longer an LD Carlson customer (after closing the LHBS) so there will be fewer products available. Waiting on an updated product and price list which obviously may affect your participation.
From what I remember all Product Codes starting with a number are LD Carlson.

Those starting with letters, being an abbreviation of the maltster, are supplied by BSG.
 

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I feel sort of silly sliding in here and asking for just 1 sack of base malt, but that's about my level - I'd also need to sign up with @mclardass since I'm new, but I figured I'd wait until things are moving along.
 

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I feel sort of silly sliding in here and asking for just 1 sack of base malt, but that's about my level - I'd also need to sign up with @mclardass since I'm new, but I figured I'd wait until things are moving along.
There's nothing silly about only needing 1 sack of grain.
 
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Finalizing details with 3 Stars but unsure when we'll start accepting orders. I plan to clear out the existing order, since it's so old and includes splits, and then open for a short period and get the order placed quickly. If I had to guess, I'd say we're looking at November but if 3 Stars gets back soon then we could get an order placed this month for October delivery.
 

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Brand new to the area (moved to Arlington in July) and have an 8 week old so I'm interested in keeping brew day short and using DME. Are 50 pound (or other bulk sizes) bags of DME available as part of this order? If so, I'll PM my name, cell, email to join the ordering site.
 
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Welcome to the area and welcome to parenthood/no sleep. We used to order DME (and many other items) but with 3 Stars closing their homebrew store and dissolving the relationship with LD Carlson it's likely removed from the order list. I'm waiting on a final product sheet but will check and see if DME can be ordered through one of their other providers.
 

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Appreciate it (on all counts)! I'll keep checking in on this thread for an update if you wouldn't mind posting an update once you get the final product sheet, thanks again!
 

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NOVA, anyone?
Yup, about 10 miles from 3 Stars, in Arlington.

Appreciate it (on all counts)! I'll keep checking in on this thread for an update if you wouldn't mind posting an update once you get the final product sheet, thanks again!
Welcome! In case you don't already know them, you can order supplies and do curbside pickup from The Brew Shop on Clarendon Blvd between Courhouse and Rosslyn. There's also My Local Home Brew Shop over in 7 corners, near the Sears, sort of across from the Dogfish Head.
 
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bhamdhamDC - 3 Stars reported that they can get DME so they'll include that in the product list. Crossing fingers that I should have something ready soon to either post here or on the order site. Thanks everyone for being patient!
 

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bhamdhamDC - 3 Stars reported that they can get DME so they'll include that in the product list. Crossing fingers that I should have something ready soon to either post here or on the order site. Thanks everyone for being patient!
Great news! I'll PM my info

Edit- I cannot figure out how to PM (forum search shows a few threads that state to click on the user name and/or avatar and there should be a "send private message" or similar button. However, I don't see anything like that and I've logged out/back in to confirm). Would you mind sending me a PM and I'll respond to it? Sorry for the hassle)
 
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Thanks everyone for your continued patience, we're getting close to restarting the group buy albeit in a limited fashion. The new product list is up but you can't yet order until I finalize a few things with 3 Stars. I have purged the original #25 group buy on the website so if you had something in the list you'll need to re-add it. I have a copy if you don't recall but thanks to all the changes I assume you'll want to review the new product list anyway.

So, something that's been discussed for years but (thanks to 2020 being what is) will be implemented this buy: 3 Stars will be adding a $5 service charge to each full sack of grain ordered. Most items are still cheaper with the added charge, some by a couple of dollars and some by $30-40, when compared to the major online retailers and my LHBS. You're going to have to do your own research on pricing and see if the group buy is your best deal.

Note: None of this money goes to Peter or me, we still cover the operational costs (website and development) out-of-pocket, and this does help cover the brewery's cost of ordering, storing, and staging the pickup. They're good people and have always helped us out, but they are a business struggling like so many, and they have to watch expenses. I'm not going to lecture you, you run the numbers and make your own personal decisions.

Next, slightly better news. Although many products are no longer available (due to 3 Stars dissolving their relationship with LD Carlson) the new product list has more LME/DME as well as bulk hops. I've asked for clarification on additional charges, if any, for hops but would assume extract sacks would include a service charge due to their size.

Finally, as many of you know the 3 Stars HBS closed earlier this year and thanks to the pandemic they were unable to have a liquidation sale. They have equipment, books, and a few other things they'd like to clear out. They also have retail hop inventory discounted by 50% as shown below. Please contact Harmony Dale at 3 Stars if you'd like more details or to place an order. This is outside of the Group Buy order so you'll have to arrange payment and pickup with the brewery.

ManufacturerDescriptionQty AvailableOriginal PriceLiquidation Price
LallemandAbbaye Belgian Style Yeast1$4.25$2.13
BSGAzacca4$3.00$1.50
LDBravo2$2.40$1.20
YCHBravo2$2.40$1.20
YCHUS Brewer's Gold8$2.40$1.20
BSGCluster6$2.40$1.20
BSGChallenger1$3.00$1.50
Artisan HopsColumbia Whole1$3.99$2.00
YCHUK Challenger1$3.00$1.50
LDDenali4$2.90$1.45
YCHEkuanot (LupuLN2)1$3.60$1.80
YCHFrench Strisselspalt1$2.25$1.13
BSGGalena10$2.50$1.25
BSGGalaxy1$2.95$1.48
BSGHersbrucker3$3.00$1.50
YCHGerman Hersbrucker1$2.95$1.48
BSGHuell Melon6$2.95$1.48
YCHLiberty4$3.15$1.58
BSGMagnum1$2.40$1.20
LDGerman Mandarina Bavaria2$2.95$1.48
BSGMandarina Bavaria9$2.95$1.48
BSGMotueka3$3.00$1.50
BSGPacific Jade1$2.75$1.38
BSGNZ Pacific Jade6$2.75$1.38
YCHPalisade4$3.00$1.50
BSGSorachi Ace25$4.30$2.15
LDSterling4$2.95$1.48
BSGSummit4$2.50$1.25
BSGTraditional3$2.50$1.25
BSGWai-iti4$2.75$1.38
BSGWarrior4$2.40$1.20
BSGW.G.V.18$3.85$1.93

So that's a lot of changes but we live in interesting times. For the new guys, things usually aren't this chaotic but we're definitely in a transition period with the buy. For the regulars, I know this isn't the way it used to be when Tony ran the show and I certainly hate that things are now so messy. I too miss the simpler times when the only problem was a missing sack or some spilled PBW.

Looking forward to better times but until then: Relax. Don't worry. And have a homebrew.
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So, something that's been discussed for years but (thanks to 2020 being what is) will be implemented this buy: 3 Stars will be adding a $5 service charge to each full sack of grain ordered.
FWIW, when Tony negotiated terms with 3 Stars, when we started to buy grain from/through them, he mentioned there is a decent markup included in their pricing to us. Not sure how much that was, he never conveyed it.

For peace of mind, when I looked at the new offerings, their pricing seems a little lower than we had before. Around $5 per sack?

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*** BUY IS REOPENED ***

Some prices went up slightly, some down a bit, it's all a wash IMO unless people are counting nickels and dimes (in which case, brewing may not be the right hobby for you). I figure 3 Stars isn't losing money but I doubt they're making payroll based on our (roughly) bi-annual purchases. I've been unable to get better selection or pricing from my local breweries or LHBS so I'm still in, YMMV of course.

Still waiting on answers to a few questions, and finalizing the pickup ground rules, but the sooner we get started the sooner we can get back to brewing. Estimated pickup date is going to be some Saturday from late October to late-November. Too many unknowns at this point to nail down a date but i'd like to wrap this buy up quickly. Once we have a solid date and pickup details I'll immediately post.

For new buyers, please familiarize yourself with the rules and recall that we're in unfamiliar territory this time around. If you have any questions or concerns feel free to PM me or drop an email to the group buy address.
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Sorry, I should have been more clear in the post, it's $5 additional per sack and not reflected in the price on the order site. I just emailed 3 Stars to verify but that's how I read their last email.

Grabbing the first thing in the order form, Briess Pale 2-row, I get web prices ranging from $39.99 to $79.50:

$39.99 @ MoreBeer (free S/H with orders over $59)​
$59.89 @ Label Peelers ($23.21 S/H to my area + #36.68 for the grains)​
$68.99 @ NorthernBrewer (free S/H with orders over $40)​
$70.39 @ AIH (free S/H with orders over $55)​
$79.50 @ Great Fermentations (free S/H)​

My LHBS has $90 on their site but I recall a lower friends price (upper $60's) when I was last in the store.

So for one base malt, MoreBeer (who I really like) is cheaper but they also carry a more limited selection of grains. This is where the service charge, and especially not doing splits, will require each person to make a judgement call.

Sorry for the rambling, just the frustration setting in when I start to run numbers.
 

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Grabbing the first thing in the order form, Briess Pale 2-row, I get web prices ranging from $39.99 to $79.50:

$39.99 @ MoreBeer (free S/H with orders over $59)​
So for one base malt, MoreBeer (who I really like) is cheaper but they also carry a more limited selection of grains. This is where the service charge, and especially not doing splits, will require each person to make a judgement call.
For what its worth, you can't actually get the free S/H from MoreBeer if you buy a 50lb sack (with $20-30 S/H), but you CAN buy (5) 10lb sacks which will work towards that free shipping.
 
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For what its worth, you can't actually get the free S/H from MoreBeer if you buy a 50lb sack (with $20-30 S/H), but you CAN buy (5) 10lb sacks which will work towards that free shipping.
Thanks for clarifying, I've never actually used them for grains so good information to help brewers make informed decisions.

All: Just heard back from Harmony, she confirmed that we need to add $5 per sack (whole grains or extracts) to the posted price.
 
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