American Pale Ale Citra Pale Ale- Oddsides Clone

[davekippen]

Thanks for the reply! I have a bunch of saved 05 that I was planning to use. I want to enter this into the local homebrew comp this spring. Hope you dont mind me stealing it! It will need to be clear-ish so I dont lose any points.

I have been going to Grand Haven for YEARS and have never checked out Oddsides. WTF! Will be a regular there this summer. I hear they fill growlers and let you "bring your own food" is that correct?

 

[FATC1TY]

It will clear, no worries. I have some pretty clear stuff here. Can see through the glass and see the logo on the other side easily.

If you haven't had Oddsides, you are missing something. I'm from GA, and had it while up there for work. It's super good stuff there. Their Citra Pale Ale is widely loved, amongst places like BeerAdvocate and such. It's a good, good easy drinking beer that showcases a good hop.

 

[davekippen]

If those BA snobs like it, it must be the real deal

 

[MoeIPA]

hey fatc1ty, just tried mine last night, been in the keg for 10 days and it doesnt seen to have much body to it.. I know it's a PA, but it's a little on the watery side with a great hop smell and initial taste. I had it in primary for 10 days, secondary for 10 days and now in the fridge on gas for 10 days.. How long before you felt the beer fully " matured " ?

 

[Rossputin]

If you want to make a good pale, Centennial and Chinook would work nicely. It won't taste anything like this beer, but it will make a very good beer anyways.

Thanks man!
Last question(s) about water; how much did you mash with and what was your pre-boil volume?

 

[FATC1TY]

hey fatc1ty, just tried mine last night, been in the keg for 10 days and it doesnt seen to have much body to it.. I know it's a PA, but it's a little on the watery side with a great hop smell and initial taste. I had it in primary for 10 days, secondary for 10 days and now in the fridge on gas for 10 days.. How long before you felt the beer fully " matured " ?

It's gonna be light bodied for sure. I felt that after 2.5 weeks in the keg, it really hit the sweetspot. I think you are only a few days off. What volumes are you carbing to?

What was your finished gravity? This beer needs to finish around 1.012 or 1.013. I mashed at 152*, and felt that I easily could have done 154 and not get it too heavy.

I set mine to 10psi and leave it.

 

[FATC1TY]

Thanks man!
Last question(s) about water; how much did you mash with and what was your pre-boil volume?

I mashed in with around 4.8 gallons of water, and mashed at 152*. Sparge with just shy of 5 gal. Preboil is normally around 7.25 gallons to get to my 5.5 gal in the fermenter.

Your volumes may vary, along with kettle size, and boil off rate.

 

[MoeIPA]

I mashed in with around 4.8 gallons of water, and mashed at 152*. Sparge with just shy of 5 gal. Preboil is normally around 7.25 gallons to get to my 5.5 gal in the fermenter.

Your volumes may vary, along with kettle size, and boil off rate.

I have mine set at 10 psi for 10 days in a 38 degree fridge.. FG was about 1.013 also mashed about 152 - 154 5.5 gallon boil

 

[FATC1TY]

I have mine set at 10 psi for 10 days in a 38 degree fridge.. FG was about 1.013 also mashed about 152 - 154 5.5 gallon boil

Give it another week, and see then. I felt this beer was "ready" to drink taste wise after a week on the gas myself. I thought it really hit the high point a week or two after that in the keg. It cleared out, and the aroma and flavor really got concentrated and it was exactly what I was looking for.

Body wise, mine felt just like the original from what I could remember. If it's not where you want it, then perhaps the beer might be too light bodied for your tastes. Could attempt to mash higher next time, and alter the recipe to give you a fuller body. I tend to like my Pales and IPA's on the light to light-medium body myself, so this fit the bill.

 

[motorneuron]

Just bottled this on Saturday. I followed the recipe quite closely, but as I mentioned, accidentally only bought 5 oz of Citra and so had to eliminate the 1min and end-of-boil additions. I also used White Labs WLP001. The flat beer tasted delicious, and the aroma was amazing. I also really liked the body the wheat gave it. I will hold off on a full evaluation until I have some carbonated, but I think some more flavor additions would have been useful--though of course, I already under did it relative to the recipe myself!

 

[FATC1TY]

Hope it turns out well. I updated my changes in the original recipe I posted. I'm going to rebrew this soon and have it on tap for the spring to roll around.

 

[davekippen]

I always chuckle at some of the posts in a "clone" thread. Im not trying to hate, but the purpose of the OP is to share a clone recipe of an existing beer. Its purpose is not to tweak, modify, change, revise, or alter the recipe. The purpose is not to give advice on how other combinations of ingredients would work LOL. It just makes me laugh sometimes. OK Im done being an a**

 

[FATC1TY]

I always chuckle at some of the posts in a "clone" thread. Im not trying to hate, but the purpose of the OP is to share a clone recipe of an existing beer. Its purpose is not to tweak, modify, change, revise, or alter the recipe. The purpose is not to give advice on how other combinations of ingredients would work LOL. It just makes me laugh sometimes. OK Im done being an a**

I agree to a degree, but I think the great thing about brewing is the core point that you can change it so YOU like it.

But you are right. This is a direct clone of OS Citra Pale Ale, and changing obviously isn't going to make the intended beer. It'll surely make a great beer if you change the hop schedule around, but it's not the clone that you came looking for.

Oh yeah.. speaking of the beer.

Enjoying the above mentioned beer right now.. Oh so tasty, it's really good, but I'm pretty sure there are only about 2-3 more pulls of this from the keg! Need to do a double brew day this weekend now that I'm moved into my new pad.

 

[kodyind]

Here's a really close clone of the Citra Pale Ale from Oddsides, in Grand Haven, Michigan. Very close to what I remember it tasting like.

It's a fantastically, easy drinking, ultra flavorful Pale Ale. These guys make one of the best Pale's I've ever had, and the Brewer, and the Brewery are TOP NOTCH. The Headbrewer gave me some "direction" in designing/guessing the recipe, and it helped me greatly. I believe this one is very close to the original, and if anything makes a fantastic, easy drinking beer that is good to the last drop!

Mash @ 152* for 60 minutes.

11 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 88.0 %
12.0 oz Wheat, Flaked (1.6 SRM) Grain 2 6.0 %
8.0 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (40.0 SRM) Grain 3 4.0 %
4.0 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 4 2.0 %
0.40 oz Citra [13.40 %] - First Wort 60.0 min Hop 5 18.9 IBUs
0.50 oz Citra [13.40 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 6 10.7 IBUs
0.28 tsp Irish Moss (Boil 10.0 mins) Fining 7 -
0.50 oz Citra [13.40 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 8 7.8 IBUs
0.50 oz Citra [13.40 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 9 4.3 IBUs
0.50 oz Citra [13.40 %] - Boil 1.0 min Hop 10 0.9 IBUs
2.00 oz Citra [13.40 %] - Flameout 0.0 min Hop 11 0.0 IBUs
2.0 pkg Safale American (DCL/Fermentis #US-05) [50.28 ml] Yeast 12 -
1.10 tsp Yeast Nutrient (Boil 10 min) Other 13 -
2.00 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Dry Hop 0.0 Days Hop 14 0.0 IBUs

Ferment it out cool, around 66-67*F.

It's a great tasting, balanced, and fruity Pale Ale. If you hate Citra, you are in the wrong place. The wheat is what gives this beer the slightly creamier, heavier mouthfeel that makes you love it. The lacing and head on the beer are perfect. So refreshing!

I am new to brewing and i am still bottling my beer, my question is how do i dry hop. i have never done it

thanks
jim

 

[MoeIPA]

I agree to a degree, but I think the great thing about brewing is the core point that you can change it so YOU like it.

But you are right. This is a direct clone of OS Citra Pale Ale, and changing obviously isn't going to make the intended beer. It'll surely make a great beer if you change the hop schedule around, but it's not the clone that you came looking for.

Oh yeah.. speaking of the beer.

Enjoying the above mentioned beer right now.. Oh so tasty, it's really good, but I'm pretty sure there are only about 2-3 more pulls of this from the keg! Need to do a double brew day this weekend now that I'm moved into my new pad.

I agree that the OP is for the clone, but some of us that change the recipe around to get a different flavor shouldnt be called out. It just adds our .02 instead of creating a new thread as " OS Citra Pale ale with a different hop schedule " perhaps someone who likes hops, like me, would love this beer more with a slightly modified hop schedule. I'm glad i read a post on here that said to add more at the 60 and double the 15 and 10 as it made the beer more enjoyable for me. I'm happy i did that rather than brewing a 5 gallon batch that had a slightly less hop character than what i remembered that the OS Citra pale ale had whtn i tried it 2 months ago..

great beer by the way and look forward to taking this recipe and modifying it a little more to play with the flavors. Like dry hop with citra and pasturized pineapple.

 

[MoeIPA]

I am new to brewing and i am still bottling my beer, my question is how do i dry hop. i have never done it

thanks
jim

dry hopping is adding additional hops after the primary fermentation is complete. I like to transfer my beer from the fermenter to a glass carboy to dry hop my beer from anywhere from 7 - 10 days. Dry hopping doesnt add to the bitterness of the beer, it adds to the aroma.

 

[sherma]

How do you think this would be if you eliminated the FWH and only did the hop bursting?

 

[mkringii]

How do you think this would be if you eliminated the FWH and only did the hop bursting?

Would lose 3/4 of the bitterness.. jus wouldnt be balanced i would think

 

[sherma]

I guess I ask because I am planning to make this. I found this which is based on AleSmith Evil Dead Red and doesn't add any hops until the last 20 minutes of a 90 minute boil. It also mashes at 154, which should produce a lot of sweetness, but this beer only has 24 IBU. I would think it be unbalanced as well, but people rave over the Evil Dead Red.

 

[mkringii]

I guess I ask because I am planning to make this. I found this which is based on AleSmith Evil Dead Red and doesn't add any hops until the last 20 minutes of a 90 minute boil. It also mashes at 154, which should produce a lot of sweetness, but this beer only has 24 IBU. I would think it be unbalanced as well, but people rave over the Evil Dead Red.

.. cant really compare a beer with 23 ibus to a completly different beer with 60ibus.. plus red ale vs apa completly different

 

[FATC1TY]

Yeah, if you remove the FHW, or even a 60min addition, you'd lose most of the bittering.

This beer is a clone, and it is to be at 40-41 IBU's. So keep that in mind when you all want to change it around. It'll make good beer, I'm sure. But it won't be the recipe stated.

23 IBU's in a beer is weak.. unless it's a saison or a blonde.

 

[kodyind]

Here's a really close clone of the Citra Pale Ale from Oddsides, in Grand Haven, Michigan. Very close to what I remember it tasting like.

It's a fantastically, easy drinking, ultra flavorful Pale Ale. These guys make one of the best Pale's I've ever had, and the Brewer, and the Brewery are TOP NOTCH. The Headbrewer gave me some "direction" in designing/guessing the recipe, and it helped me greatly. I believe this one is very close to the original, and if anything makes a fantastic, easy drinking beer that is good to the last drop!

Mash @ 152* for 60 minutes.

11 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 88.0 %
12.0 oz Wheat, Flaked (1.6 SRM) Grain 2 6.0 %
8.0 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (40.0 SRM) Grain 3 4.0 %
4.0 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 4 2.0 %
0.40 oz Citra [13.40 %] - First Wort 60.0 min Hop 5 18.9 IBUs
0.50 oz Citra [13.40 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 6 10.7 IBUs
0.28 tsp Irish Moss (Boil 10.0 mins) Fining 7 -
0.50 oz Citra [13.40 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 8 7.8 IBUs
0.50 oz Citra [13.40 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 9 4.3 IBUs
0.50 oz Citra [13.40 %] - Boil 1.0 min Hop 10 0.9 IBUs
2.00 oz Citra [13.40 %] - Flameout 0.0 min Hop 11 0.0 IBUs
2.0 pkg Safale American (DCL/Fermentis #US-05) [50.28 ml] Yeast 12 -
1.10 tsp Yeast Nutrient (Boil 10 min) Other 13 -
2.00 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Dry Hop 0.0 Days Hop 14 0.0 IBUs

Ferment it out cool, around 66-67*F.

It's a great tasting, balanced, and fruity Pale Ale. If you hate Citra, you are in the wrong place. The wheat is what gives this beer the slightly creamier, heavier mouthfeel that makes you love it. The lacing and head on the beer are perfect. So refreshing!

First off i am new to all grain and have never dry hoped before sotoday i bought everything to do this recipe and they gave me 2 oz of raw hops not pellets so is this ok to use for dry hopping and if so do i still use 2 oz. this sounds like a great beer

thanks
Jim

 

[FATC1TY]

Yes.. Use the whole leaf hops for dry hopping. Use every bit that you bought!

Good luck with it.

 

[motorneuron]

I must say, this was a truly delicious beer, and dangerously drinkable. I have tried to get the original (in fact, I have never tasted it!), but they don't seem to distribute in NY state. So I can't judge how good it is at replicating the real thing, but it's great.

That said, I do think a few more flavor hop additions are a good idea. I will definitely brew this again with your newly posted recipe. Thanks!

 

[mkringii]

I must say, this was a truly delicious beer, and dangerously drinkable. I have tried to get the original (in fact, I have never tasted it!), but they don't seem to distribute in NY state. So I can't judge how good it is at replicating the real thing, but it's great.

That said, I do think a few more flavor hop additions are a good idea. I will definitely brew this again with your newly posted recipe. Thanks!

Yea its not bottled and can only be found 3 places outside the brewery on a regular basis.. more sometimes.. but 90% time its limited to jus three local beer bars..

They are talkin about bottling soon!

 

[FATC1TY]

I must say, this was a truly delicious beer, and dangerously drinkable. I have tried to get the original (in fact, I have never tasted it!), but they don't seem to distribute in NY state. So I can't judge how good it is at replicating the real thing, but it's great.

That said, I do think a few more flavor hop additions are a good idea. I will definitely brew this again with your newly posted recipe. Thanks!

Thank you very much. I can't take credit for the idea of this beer, as I'm trying to clone Oddsides CPA, but, I will agree that this beer is so dang good, and soooo easy to drink, you'll find yourself wondering where the hell it all went, and so fast..

Infact.. my keg kicked last night... Need to brew this again.

BTW, the recipe on page one is the original one I came up with.

The suggestions going foward, would be to add another half ounce at 10 and 5 minutes, or even split the difference and do an ounce at 7minutes. Use Beersmith, to balance it back to roughly 41 IBU's, and I'd suggest no higher than 45. Might drop back the bittering addition to even it all out if need be.

I will update the recipe this week, and get all the numbers lined up to keep the beer where it should be.

Enjoy.

 

[MoeIPA]

Cheers

 

[FATC1TY]

Nice.. That looks really tasty!

 

[Japanda]

Results from my attempt of Citra Pale Ale

 

[wyant20]

Just brewed this a few days ago. Looking forward to the final producy