American Pale Ale Citra Pale Ale- Oddsides Clone

[sjohnv3]

Must be a eastern and southern thing. But crap, California does the same thing with Sierra Nevada pale ale. More bitter then Alaskan IPA; at least to my taste buds. A beer does not need to be a hop bomb to be a IPA. What do I know?? I only have a microbrew every other block here in the Great North West! Peace. Out!!!

 

[mkringii]

Must be a eastern and southern thing. But crap, California does the same thing with Sierra Nevada pale ale. More bitter then Alaskan IPA; at least to my taste buds. A beer does not need to be a hop bomb to be a IPA. What do I know?? I only have a microbrew every other block here in the Great North West! Peace. Out!!!

Yes IPA's can be 80 ibu and have perfectly balanced body so you dont even notice the hops.. but seriously if ur just gunna keep arguing find something better to do with your time (go clean your equipment) talking like "what do i know" seriously... dude i live in GRAND RAPIDS we have finished in to top 10 for beer city usa for last 5 years and won it last year... were hosting AHA conference in 2014 and ranked 22nd best city in the world for beer... the worlds 2nd best beer bar (HOPCAT) is less than a mile from my door.. i have a brewery 525ft from my front door... within a mile of my home there are 5 breweries (including FOUNDERS) within 15 miles we have 12 more to add.. but you dont see me raging on about knowing this and that (til now cuz u pissed me off)

 

[FATC1TY]

A beer must certainly be a hop bomb to be an IPA. Thats the point of an IPA. A slightly more bitter pale, more flavor and aroma, essentially a hop bomb.

There is west coast style and east coast. One is unbalanced and more hops, and the other is balanced with more malty sweetness.

But this isn't an IPA, so again.. Whats your point? Have you brewed my clone recipe here? It's a wonderful beer. You can call it an IPA to all your friends and trick them.

 

[FATC1TY]

Yes IPA's can be 80 ibu and have perfectly balanced body so you dont even notice the hops.. but seriously if ur just gunna keep arguing find something better to do with your time (go clean your equipment) talking like "what do i know" seriously... dude i live in GRAND RAPIDS we have finished in to top 10 for beer city usa for last 5 years and won it last year... were hosting AHA conference in 2014 and ranked 22nd best city in the world for beer... the worlds 2nd best beer bar (HOPCAT) is less than a mile from my door.. i have a brewery 525ft from my front door... within a mile of my home there are 5 breweries (including FOUNDERS) within 15 miles we have 12 more to add.. but you dont see me raging on about knowing this and that (til now cuz u pissed me off)

MMmm.. HopCats. I really enjoyed that place for dinner when I was up there for business. Thats where I had the glorious Oddsides Citra Pale, and was served by a really cute chick there too.

 

[thadius856]

Yes IPA's can be 80 ibu and have perfectly balanced body so you dont even notice the hops.. but seriously if ur just gunna keep arguing find something better to do with your time (go clean your equipment) talking like "what do i know" seriously... dude i live in GRAND RAPIDS we have finished in to top 10 for beer city usa for last 5 years and won it last year... were hosting AHA conference in 2014 and ranked 22nd best city in the world for beer... the worlds 2nd best beer bar (HOPCAT) is less than a mile from my door.. i have a brewery 525ft from my front door... within a mile of my home there are 5 breweries (including FOUNDERS) within 15 miles we have 12 more to add.. but you dont see me raging on about knowing this and that (til now cuz u pissed me off)

Location means nothing. There's plenty of ****ty brewers in the top 10 brewing cities, and plenty of amazing brewers in the bottom 10 brewing cities. Location has absolutely nothing to do with skill. The fact that you live in Grand Rapids is pure coincidence to the fact that it's a top brewing city... unless you moved there out of jealousy of famous brewers, in which case you likely have a problem.

OP, this recipe sounds remarkably like Knee Deep's Citra Extra Pale Ale, though a little ramped up. I'm looking to order hops for now until the fall harvest and I'm pretty interested in your recipe. How would you say it compares to Knee Deep's Citra Extra Pale Ale, or if you haven't tried it, where can I send a bottle for your opinion?

 

[thadius856]

A beer must certainly be a hop bomb to be an IPA. Thats the point of an IPA. A slightly more bitter pale, more flavor and aroma, essentially a hop bomb.

There is west coast style and east coast. One is unbalanced and more hops, and the other is balanced with more malty sweetness.

But this isn't an IPA, so again.. Whats your point? Have you brewed my clone recipe here? It's a wonderful beer. You can call it an IPA to all your friends and trick them.

Does it necessarily have to be a "hop bomb"? I feel like early IPAs weren't necessarily so, as long as they were able to withstand the voyage to India. Though this does bring up an interesting historical point, of which I'd love to hear if the knowledge is out there.

 

[FATC1TY]

OP, this recipe sounds remarkably like Knee Deep's Citra Extra Pale Ale, though a little ramped up. I'm looking to order hops for now until the fall harvest and I'm pretty interested in your recipe. How would you say it compares to Knee Deep's Citra Extra Pale Ale, or if you haven't tried it, where can I send a bottle for your opinion?

I have never had Knee Deep's Citra PA.. I swear I've heard of it though.

This beer has a nice malty backbone to it, very clean profile, with a medium to light body. The bitterness really stays back upon the first sip and then comes out to clean the taste up from being too cloying. The Citra is in the nose, and in the taste the whole way down, and the aftertaste is very clean and citrusy. A nice easy drinking beer at 5.8%.

 

[FATC1TY]

Does it necessarily have to be a "hop bomb"? I feel like early IPAs weren't necessarily so, as long as they were able to withstand the voyage to India. Though this does bring up an interesting historical point, of which I'd love to hear if the knowledge is out there.

Historical IPA and "Todays" IPA are probably not close, I agree.

Today's IPA's are all pretty much just overloaded with hops. Some brewhouses do it different, but for the most part, it's what most craft drinkers what, so they by nature have to make what the masses demand. It's a trend right now, I think. I love very hoppy beers, but I also at times have found that I have a lupulin shift, and nothing is bitter or hoppy enough for me. So I have to back off for a while and go at it again.

It's really just a regional/brewery preference/ what people like right now/ type of thing. Bigger beers, hops out the top of the bottle beers.. Barrel aged.. It's all just trends that come and go.

 

[thadius856]

I have never had Knee Deep's Citra PA.. I swear I've heard of it though.

This beer has a nice malty backbone to it, very clean profile, with a medium to light body. The bitterness really stays back upon the first sip and then comes out to clean the taste up from being too cloying. The Citra is in the nose, and in the taste the whole way down, and the aftertaste is very clean and citrusy. A nice easy drinking beer at 5.8%.

Awesome description. Would you say it has a strong characteristic grapefruit "bite" at the tip of the tongue I'd expect with Citra, or is it a big mellower than that?

 

[FATC1TY]

Awesome description. Would you say it has a strong characteristic grapefruit "bite" at the tip of the tongue I'd expect with Citra, or is it a big mellower than that?

I would actually say the wheat grist, with the layered crystal tosses off the shaper lychee fruit- grapefruit bite back a bit. It's much mellowed, a very smooth Citra flavor. I think it highlights the aroma, and the flavor of Citra very well, without being so wildly hoppy and intense, yet still has the intense flavor of Citra that everyone so much loves.

 

[mkringii]

Location means nothing. There's plenty of ****ty brewers in the top 10 brewing cities, and plenty of amazing brewers in the bottom 10 brewing cities. Location has absolutely nothing to do with skill. The fact that you live in Grand Rapids is pure coincidence to the fact that it's a top brewing city... unless you moved there out of jealousy of famous brewers, in which case you likely have a problem.

OP, this recipe sounds remarkably like Knee Deep's Citra Extra Pale Ale, though a little ramped up. I'm looking to order hops for now until the fall harvest and I'm pretty interested in your recipe. How would you say it compares to Knee Deep's Citra Extra Pale Ale, or if you haven't tried it, where can I send a bottle for your opinion?

IDK the purpose your digs in my direction, everything i stated was an annoyed remark to sjohnv3 because of the constant arguing when hes never had the original and probably never made this recipe.. he had nothing to do with the recipe nor any useful input, but felt the need to continue to annoy us. My response was to prove a point that just cause he has a few local breweries dosent make him an expert on a product hes never had.. and i know there are plenty of good breweries that make good/bad beer and vice versa and same goes for other cities.. and i sure as hell wasnt claiming to be an expert just because where i live (though it does help very strong brewing community) he sure as hell made it seem that way in his last post that pushed me over the edge.. and working in the industry does give myself a little more insight in-regards to the breweries in my backyard(such as the original reason for this thread).

btw born and raised here

 

[mkringii]

Research my friend, it's for the children!! ( or children at heart... )

I'm planning on brewing this again in a couple of weeks when I get settled in at the new digs. I'm thinking about upping the 5 and 1 min additions. Shouldn't be enough to raise the IBU's past where they are in the original.

Oh, and I will update with a pic. This beer has cleared so well, it's like you don't even know their flaked wheat in the beer until you get a taste of it!

so i got ur pics compare and adjust let me know what you tweak im talking SWMBO into a pound of citra cuz she just had this and loved it... funny zombie dust was too much but this was perfect.

 

[Evan_L]

Educate me. Why would you add two different crystal malts?

8.0 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (40.0 SRM) Grain 3 4.0 %
4.0 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 4 2.0 %

This looks delicious

http://beerlovers.com/news-reference/homebrewing/featured-articles/2012/07/12/crystal-malts/

here ya go.
Different levels give different flavor profiles, blending them gives you tons of control over the final product.

 

[thadius856]

Thanks for the clarification, OP. Think I might put this one on the list for a few months out. It's becoming a longer list than I expected. :S

IDK the purpose your digs in my direction, everything i stated was an annoyed remark to sjohnv3 because of the constant arguing when hes never had the original and probably never made this recipe.. he had nothing to do with the recipe nor any useful input, but felt the need to continue to annoy us. My response was to prove a point that just cause he has a few local breweries dosent make him an expert on a product hes never had.. and i know there are plenty of good breweries that make good/bad beer and vice versa and same goes for other cities..

Didn't bother read his. Was pretty obviously troll bait. Don't feed the trolls.

and i sure as hell wasnt claiming to be an expert just because where i live (though it does help very strong brewing community) he sure as hell made it seem that way in his last post that pushed me over the edge.. and working in the industry does give myself a little more insight in-regards to the breweries in my backyard(such as the original reason for this thread).

Well, that's how it came across in text. My apologies for misreading.

btw born and raised here

Cool?

 

[FATC1TY]

so i got ur pics compare and adjust let me know what you tweak im talking SWMBO into a pound of citra cuz she just had this and loved it... funny zombie dust was too much but this was perfect.

I'm not going to tweak it. The color and clarity are spot on from your pictures, and from what I remembered it to be.

I think my only change would be to add roughly another half ounce at 10 and 5, and maybe take back the 2 ounce at flame out to 1.5, as I felt it was lost a bit and could be used for dry hopping.

2oz min for dry hopping to get the blast you in the olfactory goodness of Citra is a must in this recipe.

 

[motorneuron]

My brew buddy and I just brewed up a batch of this over the past weekend. We mistakenly bought only 5 oz of citra instead of 6, so we decided to eliminate the 1 min addition and reduce the flameout to 1 oz. That still leaves 2 oz for dry hopping, though, which I thought would be key. Very excited to try it. It's not quite a SMaSH, but since I'm still pretty new to all this, I am into single-hop beers at the moment to really get a sense of the differences.

 

[FATC1TY]

Awesome, great to hear.

Yeah, it's not a smash because it's got crystal ( 2 kinds ) and wheat in it, but it's a single hop beer.

Let us know how your changes in the late hopping came out?

I'm planning on kicking back the flame out steep a bit, and adding more at 10 for flavor next time. It's on deck to rebrew, in hopes that spring will hurry up and come on.. It's good on a hot day, thats for sure.

 

[MoeIPA]

Id add a little more in the beginning and a little less toward the end.. Maybe .75 oz at boil and drop a half off the flame out.

 

[FATC1TY]

Id add a little more in the beginning and a little less toward the end.. Maybe .75 oz at boil and drop a half off the flame out.

What would that fix that you feel us wrong about this clone ?

That would raise the ibus and reduce the aroma and flavor.

Keep in mind this is a clone. It's 41 ibus. That's the number I'm working with here. I felt it needed just a little more flavor and aroma. Personal preference I'm sure. It's a super close clone I think.

 

[MoeIPA]

oh it is a great clone! I had it when i was up at Hop Cat a couple weeks ago in Grand Rapids.. I just felt that with the fantastic aroma, the beer itself lacked a little on the hop flavor.. I added a little more hops in the beginning and liked how it tasted.. Just personal taste

this is a fantastic recipe and just drips of pineapple smell, i'm going to try this recipe again and add about 3 pounts of pasturized pineapple to the secondary while dry hopping.

 

[FATC1TY]

Good to hear!

Did you brew the recipe I posted, or take a stab at it on your own?

I agree that I myself, would have liked a little more hop flavor, which is why I too think that it would be closer if I added some from the flame out and whirlpool/stand addition and put them in around 10-7 minutes. I'd have to tinker with it to keep the IBU's and the balance there, but I think it'll be easy enough.

 

[Japanda]

Brewed this on Saturday, can't wait to try it! Pretty much stuck to the original recipe you posted but bumped up the 10 addition to 1 oz.

 

[MoeIPA]

i did .50 oz at FW 60min and did 1 oz at each 10 and 5 min point.

Smells fantastic and it's currently carbing for superbowl sunday.. I'll post pics sunday/monday.

 

[Rossputin]

Hello from Canada (New Westminster BC specifically)!
We're going to brew your recipe this Sunday. We've been looking for a slightly more hoppy Pale Ale to make and this seems to fit the bill exactly. I've never tried the 'Oddsides' original.
However, I haven't been able to find Citra hops at local homebrewing suppliers. So my choices are:
1. substitute Willamette for Citra at $X and hope for the best.
2. substitute Centennial for Citra (free in my freezer) and hope for the best.

Both these choices will obviously affect the final product & therefore be different than this clone. I'm just looking for some opinion to make the best of my situation. Cheers!

 

[mkringii]

Hello from Canada (New Westminster BC specifically)!
We're going to brew your recipe this Sunday. We've been looking for a slightly more hoppy Pale Ale to make and this seems to fit the bill exactly. I've never tried the 'Oddsides' original.
However, I haven't been able to find Citra hops at local homebrewing suppliers. So my choices are:
1. substitute Willamette for Citra at $X and hope for the best.
2. substitute Centennial for Citra (free in my freezer) and hope for the best.

Both these choices will obviously affect the final product & therefore be different than this clone. I'm just looking for some opinion to make the best of my situation. Cheers!

Sorry to say there is NO sub for citra.. but if u wanna follow this recipe and sub hops i would suggest belma and cascade williamette is to low and clean to really see any benefits of hop bursting.. and i think centinnal would be to resiny/floral.. not enough fruit behind either of the two

 

[davekippen]

How well does this clear up? I actually have not used wheat in a PA yet so I was wondering if it remains cloudy longer than a non wheat beer?

I think I am going to follow the OP recipe, with maybe the addition of a little Galaxy in there somewhere

 

[Rossputin]

Sorry to say there is NO sub for citra.. but if u wanna follow this recipe and sub hops i would suggest belma and cascade williamette is to low and clean to really see any benefits of hop bursting.. and i think centinnal would be to resiny/floral.. not enough fruit behind either of the two

Thanks for the input. I can get my hands on some Chinook; would that be closer to Citra? Gonna have to talk to my LHBS about ordering more hops varieties and get some Citra for a future batch of this.

 

[FATC1TY]

Hello from Canada (New Westminster BC specifically)!
We're going to brew your recipe this Sunday. We've been looking for a slightly more hoppy Pale Ale to make and this seems to fit the bill exactly. I've never tried the 'Oddsides' original.
However, I haven't been able to find Citra hops at local homebrewing suppliers. So my choices are:
1. substitute Willamette for Citra at $X and hope for the best.
2. substitute Centennial for Citra (free in my freezer) and hope for the best.

Both these choices will obviously affect the final product & therefore be different than this clone. I'm just looking for some opinion to make the best of my situation. Cheers!

No real sub for Citra, but if you want to use the grist I have, it'll work fantastic for a simple Pale. Centennial would work great in a pale, willamette, ehh.. not so much, but it wouldn't be bad.

 

[FATC1TY]

How well does this clear up? I actually have not used wheat in a PA yet so I was wondering if it remains cloudy longer than a non wheat beer?

I think I am going to follow the OP recipe, with maybe the addition of a little Galaxy in there somewhere

It clear up nicely if you use a good flocc. yeast. I used US05, I think that or 1056 would work nicely.

Down the road, I'd try some 1272 perhaps to get even more of the citrusy notes, but I think a nice clean profile fits better.

BRY97 would work, but might take a bit to clear over US05. It does remain slightly cloudy longer, but if I had to guess... maybe a week longer? I like it slightly cloudy myself, but with the amount of wheat in there, you don't see it, but you feel it in your sip, and you see it in the head retention and lacing.

Someone else in the thread, did it with some Galaxy. I think it would be good, and if you didn't care to clone the original. I'd toss the Galaxy in with the Citra at 10min, and save some for dry hop myself. That would be good.

 

[FATC1TY]

Thanks for the input. I can get my hands on some Chinook; would that be closer to Citra? Gonna have to talk to my LHBS about ordering more hops varieties and get some Citra for a future batch of this.

If you want to make a good pale, Centennial and Chinook would work nicely. It won't taste anything like this beer, but it will make a very good beer anyways.