CDA... Still a debate? Let's find out...

[headbanger]

Just watched an old episode of Brewing TV (#10) where some guy from "cascadia" was complaining about the Pacific Northwest getting no recognition for inventing the black/dark IPA style. Do these "cascadians" really believe they were the first ones to ever brew a dark colored IPA with domestic hops?

Seriously????

Apparently they (the "cascadians") actually think the style should be called "cascadia dark ale" instead of whatever the BJCP is calling it... As if there's even actually a place called "cascadia".

 

[bwomp313]

Overall, I think the argument is silly. I call it black IPA personally but maybe that's my northeastocentricism.

http://www.alestreetnews.com/beer-styles/435-black-and-bitter--true-origins-of-black-ipa.html

 

[j1laskey]

Here's the real deal about the Black IPA

http://smuttynose.blogspot.com/2011/07/smuttynose-short-batch-12-noonan.html

 

[scottland]

It's a Black IPA. If you call it a Black IPA people know what you are talking about. Everyone can figure that out. Cascadian Dark Ale? What the hell does that even mean? Keep it simple. Black IPA

http://www.craftbeer.com/pages/stor...i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-black-ipa

 

[Homercidal]

I don't think the debate about "Cascadian" is so much the origin of the style, but that it uses so many of the hops grown in that region. Add the fact that people in that region really dig hoppy beer, and they have an argument.

I personally like India Black Ale, or even better, Black IPA.

The opinion article in the latest magazine puts it out there very simply, and I tend to agree with the author. The fact is, hoppy beers are very common now, and in another 10 years there is a possibility that other states, like Michigan, will rival the PNW for the amount of hops used in Michigan beers.

 

[MonkeyWrench]

I vote CDA....for obvious reasons.












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[ThickHead]

As if there's even actually a place called "cascadia".

I don't have a dog in the hunt here. However, I think it is safe to say that there is a place (region) that is called "Cascadia" by many people. Because it does not exist on a map (by common name) does not mean that it does not exist. I don't think "southie" exists as a common name on most maps but you try telling folks from South Boston that the place doesn't exist. I'll go ahead and call the ambulance now....

 

[Mongrel]

I don't have a dog in the hunt here. However, I think it is safe to say that there is a place (region) that is called "Cascadia" by many people. Because it does not exist on a map (by common name) does not mean that it does not exist. I don't think "southie" exists as a common name on most maps but you try telling folks from South Boston that the place doesn't exist. I'll go ahead and call the ambulance now....

Pick up a bottle of HUB's Secession, the map of Cascadia is on it.

The Cascadian Flag

 

[makomachine]

Black IPA vs Cascadian Dark Ale doesn't matter - still haven't had one that was worth the price on the bomber. Hop bitterness meets malt bitterness and frankly doesn't work for me. Carry on...

 

[noodledancer77]

"I don't think the debate about "Cascadian" is so much the origin of the style, but that it uses so many of the hops grown in that region. Add the fact that people in that region really dig hoppy beer, and they have an argument."

If your stance is based on the fact that many of the hops are grown in that region, why don't we call American IPA's Cascadian Pale ales? Personally I don't care, and I think that the folks that get upset about it on either side of the debate need to chillax. I just like looking for fallacies in logic...that's why i even chimed in. I like a good debate, just don't understand people getting bent out of shape.

 

[Whippy]

I like what Homercidal just called it...India Black Ale. Black IPA is a contradiction in terms, isn't it?

I don't like the Cascadia Dark Ale name at all.

 

[WildGingerBrewing]

Has the BJCP even recognized it yet? Last time I checked it, there was not a category for it. AHA recognzed it but I haven't seen anything from BJCP. Of course I haven't been looking either. I just know that I make one that excellent and don't really care what it's called. Mine is Nightcaller Black IPA.

 

[headbanger]

"I don't think the debate about "Cascadian" is so much the origin of the style, but that it uses so many of the hops grown in that region. Add the fact that people in that region really dig hoppy beer, and they have an argument."

If your stance is based on the fact that many of the hops are grown in that region, why don't we call American IPA's Cascadian Pale ales? Personally I don't care, and I think that the folks that get upset about it on either side of the debate need to chillax. I just like looking for fallacies in logic...that's why i even chimed in. I like a good debate, just don't understand people getting bent out of shape.

Agreed, far from bent out of shape over it... Just thought it funny that not only have the northwesterners invented their own nation called "cascadia" but they want a beer style named after it as well. Now I see that they have even gone and created their own flag... LMAO

 

[headbanger]

Has the BJCP even recognized it yet? Last time I checked it, there was not a category for it. AHA recognzed it but I haven't seen anything from BJCP. Of course I haven't been looking either. I just know that I make one that excellent and don't really care what it's called. Mine is Nightcaller Black IPA.

Yes, the brewer's association has named the style "American-style India black ale".

 

[headbanger]

Yes, the brewer's association has named the style "American-style India black ale".

Much to the "cascadian's" chagrin I might add.

 

[Whippy]

Yes, the brewer's association has named the style "American-style India black ale".

I like that one the best

Heh, Cascadia sounds like one of those countries in Orwell's "1984."

 

[dantheman13]

I am no north westerner, but I kind of feel for those hippies. I mean, they do have the biggest, broadest, most influential beer culture in the US. If it wasn't for Cascadia, the US wouldn't have the craft or homebrew culture that it has now throughout the country. Maybe California would have carried that flag, hypothetically speaking. But we all have a lot to owe to the "Cascadia".

 

[makomachine]

I have a great love of the Pacific NW. May they never secede the union and take their hops with them!!

 

[Whippy]

I have a great love of the Pacific NW. May they never secede the union and take their hops with them!!

I'd enlist to go fight for hop emancipation! Union man here!

 

[headbanger]

I have a great love of the Pacific NW. May they never secede the union and take their hops with them!!

Let them secede, I order all my hops from Northern Illinois.

 

[arg]

I think American Style India Black Ale is most fine. However...I saw on an episode of BrewingTV where someone called it like it is:

BHP

Bull**** Hoppy Porter.

 

[Cape Brewing]

it should be called Cape Brewing Black IPA

and if you don't agree, you're stupid.

 

[StokedBrew]

Let them secede, I order all my hops from Northern Illinois.

Go ahead and purchase your hops from Northern Illinois. I guarantee you won't find the quality or the selection as that of the Yakima Valley, WA.
And indeed, the reason we call this style a CDA is because of all the Cascade hop varietals frequently used in a 'BlackIPA.' Would you even consider using Saaz, Hallertau, or god forbid just about any noble hop in said style? It is ALL about the hops, and Cascadian hops dominate the market and have proven to be amongst the worlds best.
Give credit where credit is due, and allow this style to be named for it's rightful home, in the shadows of the Cascade Mountain Range.

This message is in no way a dig against N. Illinois nor speculating upon their diminutive stature as hop growers. Long live the Pacific NW!

 

[makomachine]

I love the Pacific NW but Cape Brewing Black IPA has a ring to it. Almost made me want try yet another.... Nope, not enough....

 

[el_kirk]

Ummm, how about "beer that melds two styles that I like to create one I don't"?

Wait, that name is descriptive but not catchy. Good luck out there.

 

[davefleck]

Not to change the subject but...

Washington St. was to be named "Columbia" (southern border is the river) however they didn't want to confuse it with the District of... which is more commonly referred to as Washington DC. Funny...

For me, the difference between a black IPA and CDA is the former us open to any hop selection vs regional NW hops

 

[ABrewingApe]

The saucy lad at my local brewshop corrected me when I went in to pick up supplies for a black IPA and informed me that it was, in fact, Cascadian. And then he gave me a 10% discount on the hops. Good enough for me!

(the PNW tree octopus occasionally forages in hop fields and actively prefers Cascade-type hops, possibly due to their scent affinity with the conifers the octopus normally calls home. Keep those fields blooming, make more IPA!)

 

[mrgstiffler]

We like to call it Cascadian Dark Ale because breweries in this region are known for experimenting with the style. Sure, there are breweries all over that have brewed it, but almost every brewery here has one. The hops are mainly grown here, in fact, most of them were bred here. The style matches the tastes of the locals and it's something we're proud of.

Also, saying Cascadia is not a real place will cause you serious problems around here..

 

[BBKing]

Not even curious about the "style", at least not enough to buy a 6er.

No dog in this hunt either, but India Black Ale seems plenty descriptive enough to me.

One could say "India Black Ale" and a semi-beer lover might have an idea of what he/she is about to drink. Yet one could say Cascadian Black Ale and a semi-beer lover wouldnt have a damn clue.

Either way, unless one was a beer lover, one wouldnt give a damn where the hops came from/were bred etc., unless it was printed on the bottle.

Yakima Valley/Oregon/Washington types may know where what came from where, but the rest of the country (outside HBT and other sites) isnt bound to give a damn, so lets at least let them have an idea of what their drinking.

What if I came up with a Belgian Imperial Stout? I'd bet most posters here would scream that its out of style. This is how I see it. Sorry Cascadians.

(Yes I fully expect that some poster with 12 posts is going to come out of nowhere and say "Hey I invented the BIS!" and try to pigeonhole my post, but I suspect that most serious posters here get my point)