Can you Brew It recipe for Stone Arrogant Bastard

[docrw]

If you have access to the Mangrove Jacks yeasts, supposedly the M07 is the dry version of WLP007? If your looking for a dry yeast that is.

I think M07 attenuates less than that and a much narrower range.

 

[crusader1612]

I think M07 attenuates less than that and a much narrower range.

Nope it goes further than S-04 so attenuates well.


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[reddskinnfan]

Well, just had a party last night with about 25 people. The AB keg had maybe 4 beers pulled from it before the party. I had two other beers on tap (Lemon Pepper Saison and Belma Blonde). The AB was killed in short order, along with the Blonde. The Lemon Pepper Saison is almost gone, too. I got a lot of "man is this the real Arrogant Bastard" comments. Was happy with result and can't wait to go for my next one, with slightly less CaraAroma and the gypsum addition.

Prost!

 

[reddskinnfan]

The beer has cleared A LOT more. Color is almost spot on. I think the 12% number is the 'magic' one.

This is from a bottle.

 

[ultravista]

That's 12% CaraAroma? Do you have your recent recipe in a Beersmith file to share?

How close is the aroma, bitterness, and hopiness?

 

[reddskinnfan]

the beer has cleared a lot more. Color is almost spot on. I think the 12% number is the 'magic' one.

This is from a bottle.

13.5%

 

[bigbeergeek]

13.5%

I'll agree. 14% SB and all the hop additions increased by 25% have nailed it for me three times in a row.

 

[ultravista]

I'll agree. 14% SB and all the hop additions increased by 25% have nailed it for me three times in a row.

I'm lost, 14% SB what?

Please post your recipe w/the increased hop additions.

 

[fixitoscar]

ok here is my 2nd version of this. I'm really enjoying drinking my version 1. This one should be a lot closer.
upping color by 3 srm by adding more c150, upping bittering for more bite. upping finishing hops for more late hop character. Also slightly higher ferment temps for a little alcohol taste.
I'll brew this this weekend.

1.077 og @ 75% eff.
wlp 007
srm 24.5
111 ibu
84.5% domestic 2 row
11.9% c150
2.7% c75
5 oz hops all chinook

2 oz @ 90 min.
.25 oz @20 min.
.25 oz @ 15 min.
.5 oz @ 10 min.
.5 oz @ 5 min.
1.5 oz @ 0 min.

Ok had my tasting last night. Much Much closer than my v1 attemp.

Color is really close AB has a shade more red mine is a shade more brown.

Hops..initial bitterness is close but AB still edges mine out. finish hops are dead on. Nice lingering hop taste on the tongue after you swallow.

malt character. Mine has more of a dark sweetness in the middle. Not overpowering at all but not AB. AB is much more subdued and in the background.

Overall I very happy with how close it is now just being the second try for me. Its still not cloned but its close. I think the biggest issues I have are getting the color down to that nice shade of red and cutting down on the malt sweetness.

Will dropping a srm point bring it more red? If so this will also help with the
malt problem.

When its time to rebrew I'll adjust color, mash lower, and maybe drop another .25 oz of hops at 90 min.
I don't plan on brewing this again for a while. I have an itch for other styles.

 

[reddskinnfan]

A couple more shots, a few months in and after clearing. Bitterness and flavor are spot on. Hop aroma is still subdued. Will be getting a bottle of AB tomorrow to do side by side color comparison now that beer is clear.

 

[Dog House Brew]

That color looks spot on to me. I had an AB last night and that looks like it. If it is off, won't be by much.

 

[jturkish]

would someone mind posting the most recent/closest clone?

 

[stonebrewer]

would someone mind posting the most recent/closest clone?

See Post #845...

 

[docrw]

Where is your dry-hop addition? I have 2.5 oz for 5 days, it's sweet if I don't.

Ok had my tasting last night. Much Much closer than my v1 attemp.

Color is really close AB has a shade more red mine is a shade more brown.

Hops..initial bitterness is close but AB still edges mine out. finish hops are dead on. Nice lingering hop taste on the tongue after you swallow.

malt character. Mine has more of a dark sweetness in the middle. Not overpowering at all but not AB. AB is much more subdued and in the background.

Overall I very happy with how close it is now just being the second try for me. Its still not cloned but its close. I think the biggest issues I have are getting the color down to that nice shade of red and cutting down on the malt sweetness.

Will dropping a srm point bring it more red? If so this will also help with the
malt problem.

When its time to rebrew I'll adjust color, mash lower, and maybe drop another .25 oz of hops at 90 min.
I don't plan on brewing this again for a while. I have an itch for other styles.

 

[fixitoscar]

no dry hopping on this for me. Pretty much everyone says that stone does not dry hop AB. I notice that with a couple of weeks in the fridge a lot of that sweetness drops out of the way of the initial bitterness. I still think crystal malts are the way to go.

 

[MrSnacks]

So current thinking is to drop CaraAroma to 12% from the 13.5 listed in the recipe in post 845?

 

[reddskinnfan]

I would, perosnnaly, keep it at 13.5%. Color was spot on after the beer cleared.

 

[ultravista]

86.5% 2-row and 13.5% CaraAroma?

 

[MrSnacks]

I would, perosnnaly, keep it at 13.5%. Color was spot on after the beer cleared.

Great, thanks! Planning on brewing this on Sunday.

 

[reddskinnfan]

Great, thanks! Planning on brewing this on Sunday.

Yeah, no problem. Don't forget a healthy dose of gypsum.

 

[MrSnacks]

Yeah, no problem. Don't forget a healthy dose of gypsum.

Yeah, I put it on my shopping list. Just plugged everything into BeerSmith, looks like I'm going to end up at about 100 IBUs. Sound about right?

 

[stonebrewer]

Chinook and IBU are weird because Chinook is a rough tasting hop...which I am in love with. Anyone familiar with Tree House Sap? Fabulous beer, all Chinook.

 

[MrSnacks]

Brewed this up last night, it's gorgeous. Totally botched my gravity. I chalk it up to exhaustion and not paying attention because I was brewing late and my thermometer being an *******. So this'll end up being a session Arrogant Bastard with an OG of 1.060. Pitched a WLP007 starter.
Color is gorgeous, flavor is, well, we'll see. Gravity sample was bitter and delicious but even with 6oz of Chinook in it I'm not getting a ton of Chinook flavor.

I'm excited about this beer though! Should be damn tasty.

 

[cannman]

when you put hops in at flame out, is that considered a dry hop or will they be extracted from the batch prior to primary?

 

[stonebrewer]

when you put hops in at flame out, is that considered a dry hop or will they be extracted from the batch prior to primary?

No. That's a late addition, typically adds a lot of aroma to your finished beer. Dry hop is in general after fermentation is complete, however some (like Russian River!) will put hops in at the end of fermentation as the yeast extract nutrients and add flavors/aromas from them.

 

[Dog House Brew]

Stone generally doesn't use a lot of dry hopping, so I've read. I read that they add their bittering hops and then add all their hops in the whirlpool. Their cast out takes about 90 minutes. I'm not sure what their temp is during this process. Are most of you dry hopping this beer? What temp should one hold this while whirlpooling to replicate what Stone's process?

 

[stonebrewer]

I do not dry hop this and I feel the times I have made it the hop character is identical to Stone's...malt is a bit off though.

 

[reddskinnfan]

Stone, when you want me to drop off 4-5# of CaraAroma so you can try this beer with that malt? 13.5% seems to be the magic number for color/flavor to me.

 

[stonebrewer]

Stone, when you want me to drop off 4-5# of CaraAroma so you can try this beer with that malt? 13.5% seems to be the magic number for color/flavor to me.

Could have used it this past weekend!! Anytime you get a chance and we can hook up will be fine. Probably brewing again in 2 weeks...PM me or email me with your thoughts.

 

[MrSnacks]

Stone, when you want me to drop off 4-5# of CaraAroma so you can try this beer with that malt? 13.5% seems to be the magic number for color/flavor to me.

I used 13.5% CaraAroma in my clone and the color seems right but there's a lot more caramel/toffee in mine than I remember in the original.