Can you Brew It recipe for Stone Arrogant Bastard

[afr0byte]

Maybe Simpsons Extra Dark which is ~ 160L. What about percentages? Still stay with 10% of the total grist for the C-160?

I don't know, I was just commenting on the fact that the special b color varies. I would listen to the episode to find out which they used. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

 

[LVBen]

Maybe Simpsons Extra Dark which is ~ 160L. What about percentages? Still stay with 10% of the total grist for the C-160?

I think just about anything in the 9-10% range would be good.

 

[LVBen]

I kegged my AB over the weekend. I tasted it, and it was very bitter and very dry, but it definitely has some similar characteristics as AB. I'm going to condition for about 1 month. I'm hoping that it mellows out, and then I'll do a side by side comparison.

 

[BrewNow]

I don't know, I was just commenting on the fact that the special b color varies. I would listen to the episode to find out which they used. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Actually, you were clear. That's the problem with the written word when I try to type how I would speak. . . I was trying to hash out the recipe and options with the community rather than asking the question.

Oh well. This will be my 5th attempt at a clone.

 

[LVBen]

I'm going to name my brew "Evil Focker". I've been trying to think of something that is almost synonymous with Arrogant Bastard but could represent something that is more bitter and higher in alcohol percentage. Yesterday, I was watching Little Fockers and the name popped into my head.

 

[EllisTX]

Well.... Thanks to another Sunday Session there is another update. A listener called in and stated that he has unnamed buddies that are assistant brewers at Stone. He claimed a crap load of C175 and just a tad of special B.

 

[DustBow]

I'm going to name my brew "Evil Focker". I've been trying to think of something that is almost synonymous with Arrogant Bastard but could represent something that is more bitter and higher in alcohol percentage. Yesterday, I was watching Little Fockers and the name popped into my head.

My batch came in a little light on the ABV (6%) but the taste seems to be pretty close as it's pretty much fully carbed now. Need to do a side by side....

Tap #3 on the keezer reads: "Cocky Lil' Prick"

 

[LVBen]

My batch came in a little light on the ABV (6%) but the taste seems to be pretty close as it's pretty much fully carbed now. Need to do a side by side....

Tap #3 on the keezer reads: "Cocky Lil' Prick"

Awesome name! I've got a bomber sitting in my fridge waiting for the side-by-side.

 

[LVBen]

Well.... Thanks to another Sunday Session there is another update. A listener called in and stated that he has unnamed buddies that are assistant brewers at Stone. He claimed a crap load of C175 and just a tad of special B.

Oh, geez! What if Stone is just messing with everybody by spreading false claims?

 

[MalFet]

Oh, geez! What if Stone is just messing with everybody by spreading false claims?

That was my first thought. They've done it before. They've had a lot of fun teasing the HB community about this recipe over the years.

 

[Hethen57]

Following this thread. Do people who have brewed this and tasted it feel like all Chinook is the way to go for an AB clone? Would other hops mix with Chinook for flavoring or aroma to give it a better nose and taste? I'm also surprised there is no dry hopping. I brewed the prior recipe with 5-6 different malts and different hops and it was good, but probably not an AB clone.

 

[rowanb]

Last time I had AB was on the train from San Diego to Los Angeles in June. I love that beer. Back in Sydney I followed the cybi version. The result was delicious, with a very pronounced grapefruit character. I liked the grapefruit and had not previously used Chinook. I don't remember AB being big on grapefruit - but its been a while and I can't compare side by side in Australia.

 

[freshhoarse]

Named mine "Humble Bitch", 10% C120. Little too sweet, but my low on attenuation. My fault due to poor ferm schedule. What is C175? Red Herring Malt?

 

[LVBen]

Following this thread. Do people who have brewed this and tasted it feel like all Chinook is the way to go for an AB clone? Would other hops mix with Chinook for flavoring or aroma to give it a better nose and taste? I'm also surprised there is no dry hopping. I brewed the prior recipe with 5-6 different malts and different hops and it was good, but probably not an AB clone.

I tasted a little bit of mine when it was flat. It did seem very close in many ways, but I haven't done the side-by-side comparison yet. I'll report back in a couple of weeks or so.

 

[DustBow]

I think the Chinook gets you pretty close, it's definitely the dominant flavor. There might be a little something else in there for aroma and late-addition flavor, but it mostly gets swallowed up by the Chinook IMO

 

[phished880]

On one of the last Sunday sessions they had pizza port head brewer, who was working for stone when they created it. His quote was " high percentage of high color crystal, not special b." He also mentioned they had the hop variety " figured out"

This leads me to believe it's c150..... But the special b makes a great beer, I've made it twice.

 

[LVBen]

On one of the last Sunday sessions they had pizza port head brewer, who was working for stone when they created it. His quote was " high percentage of high color crystal, not special b." He also mentioned they had the hop variety " figured out"

This leads me to believe it's c150..... But the special b makes a great beer, I've made it twice.

I just listened to it. It definitely sounds like credible information...

Chinook and C150!

I think I'll try that next time.

 

[broadbill]

I just listened to it. It definitely sounds like credible information...

Chinook and C150!

I think I'll try that next time.

Jeff Bagby (Pizza Port brewer that was on the Session) also conceded that it had been years since he worked for Stone, and it was possible that they had changed the recipe since he was there.

Just throwing it out there....

 

[LVBen]

Jeff Bagby (Pizza Port brewer that was on the Session) also conceded that it had been years since he worked for Stone, and it was possible that they had changed the recipe since he was there.

Just throwing it out there....

Yeah, he said they changed it to accommodate their much larger new system, and still get the same beer. I doubt they changed the special malt. It is more likely that they would change the percentage than the malt.

 

[jdubb75]

I know this has been beat to death, but I was playing around in BeerSmith tonight and this is what I came up with for an extract recipe. I might give it a shot next few weeks and see how close it is. I doubt I'll end up with an AB, but it looks like a tasty brew none the less.


Recipe: Arrogant Bastard Clone
TYPE: Extract

Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 3.00 gal
Post Boil Volume: 2.50 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.25 gal
Bottling Volume: 4.75 gal
Estimated OG: 1.064 SG
Estimated Color: 23.3 SRM
Estimated IBU: 99.7 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 72.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 0.0 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
1 lbs 12.0 oz Special B Malt (147.0 SRM) Grain 1 16.1 %
6 lbs Pilsner Liquid Extract (3.5 SRM) Extract 2 55.0 %
2.00 oz Chinook [13.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 3 53.7 IBUs
1.00 oz Chinook [13.00 %] - Boil 25.0 min Hop 4 18.7 IBUs
3 lbs 2.4 oz Pilsner Liquid Extract [Boil for 10 min] Extract 5 28.9 %
1.00 oz Chinook [13.00 %] - Boil 2.0 min Hop 6 2.3 IBUs
1.0 pkg Dry English Ale (White Labs #WLP007) [35 Yeast 7 -

 

[reddskinnfan]

You misheard what he said. He said there was a sweetness present in the homebrew that is not in the commercial beer -- they all discussed how Tasty's beer was (uncharacteristically) slightly under-attenuated.

C15 has no logical place in an Arrogant Bastard Ale recipe. It does not contribute the dark, raisiny fruit flavors present in ABA. C15 is lightly sweet like watered down honey.

I brewed my take on their clone with 14% Special B, the rest 2 row, and color/aroma/taste were on the nose. Period. For my future brews, I'm not changing a thing.

Can you share the recipe you used?

 

[bigbeergeek]

Can you share the recipe you used?

Here it is:

Arrogant Matt-Nerd Ale

 

[Hammy71]

The clone goes from 1.066 to 1.012 to get it's 7.2% abv. The hydro test on the stone sample finishes around 1.018. I'm thinking of upping the OG into the 1.072 range (90% two row, 10% 150C) and mashing a little higher. Maybe 150-152. Any thoughts? There's just got to be a difference in mouth feel from 1.012 and 1.018. But I fear the 80% attenuation of 007 will drop me well below the 1.018 and I'll get a 'hot' beer...and not the clone I want.

Edit: Well, I woke up around 2AM with revelation. I'm going to brew this today using the 1.066 OG, WLP 007 and the 148 Mash temp as per the recipe because that's what I have on hand. But my next brew, probably on black Friday, will be the 1.072 OG and a 150 mash. Here comes the kicker..... I'm going to use the WLP002. Why? Because I'm very familiar with 002 and how well it attenuates. My understanding is the two yeast are very similar, with the exception that 007 will get you lower. Maybe BYO was right all along. Of course it does leave a little sweetness, but I gotta try it.

 

[EricCSU]

The clone goes from 1.066 to 1.012 to get it's 7.2% abv. The hydro test on the stone sample finishes around 1.018. I'm thinking of upping the OG into the 1.072 range (90% two row, 10% 150C) and mashing a little higher. Maybe 150-152. Any thoughts? There's just got to be a difference in mouth feel from 1.012 and 1.018. But I fear the 80% attenuation of 007 will drop me well below the 1.018 and I'll get a 'hot' beer...and not the clone I want.

Edit: Well, I woke up around 2AM with revelation. I'm going to brew this today using the 1.066 OG, WLP 007 and the 148 Mash temp as per the recipe because that's what I have on hand. But my next brew, probably on black Friday, will be the 1.072 OG and a 150 mash. Here comes the kicker..... I'm going to use the WLP002. Why? Because I'm very familiar with 002 and how well it attenuates. My understanding is the two yeast are very similar, with the exception that 007 will get you lower. Maybe BYO was right all along. Of course it does leave a little sweetness, but I gotta try it.

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[EricCSU]

The clone goes from 1.066 to 1.012 to get it's 7.2% abv. The hydro test on the stone sample finishes around 1.018. I'm thinking of upping the OG into the 1.072 range (90% two row, 10% 150C) and mashing a little higher. Maybe 150-152. Any thoughts? There's just got to be a difference in mouth feel from 1.012 and 1.018. But I fear the 80% attenuation of 007 will drop me well below the 1.018 and I'll get a 'hot' beer...and not the clone I want.

Edit: Well, I woke up around 2AM with revelation. I'm going to brew this today using the 1.066 OG, WLP 007 and the 148 Mash temp as per the recipe because that's what I have on hand. But my next brew, probably on black Friday, will be the 1.072 OG and a 150 mash. Here comes the kicker..... I'm going to use the WLP002. Why? Because I'm very familiar with 002 and how well it attenuates. My understanding is the two yeast are very similar, with the exception that 007 will get you lower. Maybe BYO was right all along. Of course it does leave a little sweetness, but I gotta try it.

Gotta love 2am brewing revelations.

Eric

 

[heliumbro]

Brew Type: All Grain Date: 12/13/2011
Style: Old Ale Brewer: ME
Batch Size: 5.50 gal Assistant Brewer:
Boil Volume: 7.19 gal Boil Time: 90 min
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70.0 % Equipment: My Equipment

Ingredients Amount Item Type % or IBU
14lb .75oz Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 87.5 %
2lb .35oz Special B Malt (180.0 SRM) Grain 12.5 %
1.00 oz Chinook [11.00%] (90 min) (First Wort Hop) Hops 37.8 IBU
1.00 oz Chinook [11.00%] (45 min) Hops 29.5 IBU
1.00 oz Chinook [11.00%] (15 min) Hops 16.0 IBU
1.00 oz Chinook [11.00%] (0 min) Hops -
1 Pkgs SafAle S-05

Beer Profile Estimated Original Gravity: 1.072 SG (1.060-1.100 SG) Measured Original Gravity: 1.076 SG
Estimated Color: 27.6 SRM (10.0-25.0 SRM)
Bitterness: 83.3 IBU
Estimated Alcohol by Volume: 7.7 %

Batch Sparge

155F (apparently S-05 ferments out pretty well so I bumped the unfermentables up hopefully preventing this sucker from drying out too much).

I cannot get this beer in Canada unless I want to make border runs every week, so hopefully this will be my go to recipe when I'm looking for some SAB.

 

[EricCSU]

Brew Type: All Grain Date: 12/13/2011
Style: Old Ale Brewer: ME
Batch Size: 5.50 gal Assistant Brewer:
Boil Volume: 7.19 gal Boil Time: 90 min
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70.0 % Equipment: My Equipment

Ingredients Amount Item Type % or IBU
14lb .75oz Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 87.5 %
2lb .35oz Special B Malt (180.0 SRM) Grain 12.5 %
1.00 oz Chinook [11.00%] (90 min) (First Wort Hop) Hops 37.8 IBU
1.00 oz Chinook [11.00%] (45 min) Hops 29.5 IBU
1.00 oz Chinook [11.00%] (15 min) Hops 16.0 IBU
1.00 oz Chinook [11.00%] (0 min) Hops -
1 Pkgs SafAle S-05

Beer Profile Estimated Original Gravity: 1.072 SG (1.060-1.100 SG) Measured Original Gravity: 1.076 SG
Estimated Color: 27.6 SRM (10.0-25.0 SRM)
Bitterness: 83.3 IBU
Estimated Alcohol by Volume: 7.7 %

Batch Sparge

155F (apparently S-05 ferments out pretty well so I bumped the unfermentables up hopefully preventing this sucker from drying out too much).

I cannot get this beer in Canada unless I want to make border runs every week, so hopefully this will be my go to recipe when I'm looking for some SAB.

Personally, I wouldn't change the mash temp. WLP007 dries out like crazy, just as much if not more than S-05.

Eric

 

[runs4beer]

IMO:If I were to brew this again, first thing I'd change is the yeast from S-05 to something different not because it dried it out to much but because of the different in the yeast character, it missed the English character and was to clean. If I only had s-05 I wait to brew it.

 

[dunnright00]

Gonna brew a small batch of this soon, but I can't find Chinook, so I'm going to use Columbus.

Think it will make much of a difference?

 

[Apendecto]

Gonna brew a small batch of this soon, but I can't find Chinook, so I'm going to use Columbus.

Think it will make much of a difference?

Yep. Only Chinnok has that lingering piney taste that I haven't found in other hops.