Bruery Reserve Society 2014 Allocations/Discussion Thread

[jtmartino1]

People say this all the time about forced carbed beers. Even with a high gravity yeast is still alive and active in a beer. The characteristic a beer takes on as it ages has more to do with yeast then it does oxidation, most breweries purge their bottles before filling

No. Yeast dies in high ABV. Feel free to Google it.

Also, Stu is right.

 

[Xul1]

No. Yeast dies in high ABV. Feel free to Google it.

Also, Stu is right.

I'll actually grant him that yeast's presence plays a factor in aging, although I think oxidation is far more important. The yeast does die, both in high ABV and over time, but the trace amounts of dead yeast cells can add to the perception of complexity in the beer. I still think it's silly to worry to about that in the context of not even being able to release bottles, but perhaps re-inoculating with yeast after pasteurization would make that route more appealing.

And yeah, Stu is completely right about oxidation happening regardless of whether there's oxygen in the bottle when it gets capped. Regardless of how well you purge and how good of a seal your caps get, oxygen will get into the bottle over time.

 

[Beerontwowheels]

No. Yeast dies in high ABV. Feel free to Google it.

Also, Stu is right.

Depends on the yeast. Take White Labs Super High Gravity Yeast for example. Good up to 25% ABV. Saying yeast dies in high ABV is not necessarily 'right'. It's more an incomplete statement. Yeast will eventually die in low ABV beers too. Would White Labs SHG yeast die at 19.2%? Maybe, but it's not necessarily due to high ABV.

It's like saying 'water boils at 212°'. That's not always true. 'Water boils at 212° at sea level' is the more accurate statement.

 

[StarRaptor1]

No. Yeast dies in high ABV. Feel free to Google it.

Also, Stu is right.

And curtain beer spoilers can't tolerate ABV above 10%! but **** changes over time, the Bruery has proven that

 

[StarRaptor1]

Oxidation doesn't require molecular oxygen to happen. Budweiser has probably a million times less molecular oxygen in it than most craft beer, but it still gets oxidized.

I think you are overreaching here to prove your arguments but **** it so am I

Agree to disagree (something that we clearly do often when it comes to the Bruery lately)?

 

[Xul1]

And curtain beer spoilers can't tolerate ABV above 10%! but **** changes over time, the Bruery has proven that

That's a tangential argument. Brett, Lacto, and Pedio have things to feed on even in an inhospitable environment (ie, a 12 - 15% ABV beer), which means that they're active, while the Saccharomyces has consumed everything it can consume and is therefore lying dormant until the cells die. If you're trying to argue that the Sacch cells can just live indefinitely, I would love to see the science behold an immortal fungus.

 

[stupac2]

I think you are overreaching here to prove your arguments but **** it so am I

Agree to disagree (something that we clearly do often when it comes to the Bruery lately)?

Uh, you can agree to disagree but you're just wrong. Molecular oxygen is not a good oxidizer and needs other things (like the presence of metal ions) to be converted into one. The amount of oxygen in the headspace of a beer is a determinant of how it will age, but it's far from the only thing (in fact it's likely to be pretty minor).

 

[StarRaptor1]

Uh, you can agree to disagree but you're just wrong. Molecular oxygen is not a good oxidizer and needs other things (like the presence of metal ions) to be converted into one. The amount of oxygen in the headspace of a beer is a determinant of how it will age, but it's far from the only thing (in fact it's likely to be pretty minor).

I'm not saying that oxidizing agents are not present (if that's how I came across it was a long night), I'm saying that they are not the sole contributor to how force carbed beer ages

T

 

[stupac2]

I'm not saying that oxidizing agents are not present (if that's how I came across it was a long night), I'm saying that they are not the sole contributor to how force carbed beer ages

T

Oh, well I would never argue against that. There's lots of **** going on and oxidation is just one factor.

 

[jtmartino1]

Depends on the yeast. Take White Labs Super High Gravity Yeast for example. Good up to 25% ABV. Saying yeast dies in high ABV is not necessarily 'right'. It's more an incomplete statement. Yeast will eventually die in low ABV beers too. Would White Labs SHG yeast die at 19.2%? Maybe, but it's not necessarily due to high ABV.

It's like saying 'water boils at 212°'. That's not always true. 'Water boils at 212° at sea level' is the more accurate statement.

****, I got schooled. True story here ^.

That said, anyone ever find yeast at the bottom of a bottle of Black Tuesday/CR/MW/GM?

 

[3rdto1st1]

****, I got schooled. True story here ^.

That said, anyone ever find yeast at the bottom of a bottle of Black Tuesday/CR/MW/GM?

Not that I can remember, but I've seen a ****-ton at the bottom of a '11 Melange 3

 

[Beerontwowheels]

****, I got schooled. True story here ^.

That said, anyone ever find yeast at the bottom of a bottle of Black Tuesday/CR/MW/GM?

By the time I get to the bottom of a bottle, I don't give a **** about yeast.

 

[Josh2]

I'm drunk, really slow and unimaginative, or quite possibly both.... I'm for the most part completely lost on the 12 days of RS advent calender.

 

[user 304985]

I'm drunk, really slow and unimaginative, or quite possibly both.... I'm for the most part completely lost on the 12 days of RS advent calender.

Me too, or I just don't care?

 

[Josh2]

I like the first one being black Tuesday though.

I was hoping to see a steaming pile of poop.

 

[FBIinformant]

Just realize that the 12 days is typically them clearing house on **** that otherwise wouldn't sell. But oh ****, put it on a special midnight/opening of bar type of release and you got yourself some dust collecting beer sales going.

 

[kscaldef]

I'm puzzled because a couple of the clues seem to suggest beers that I don't think have ever been bottled.

12th - Black Tuesday
13th - Coton?
14th - Salt of the Earth?
15th - Grey Monday
16th - Oude Tart w/ Cherries
17th - Fuzzy Baby Ducks... no, wait... wtf? Is that a goose?
18th - Go Team?
19th - ?
20th - Filthy Blonde?
21st - Dirty Beaver Juice Weekend???!!!
22nd - SitR w/ Pineapple and Coconut? Is there another pineapple beer I'm forgetting?
23rd - ?


Curious to see other people's guesses

 

[user 304985]

22nd - SitR w/ Pineapple and Coconut? Is there another pineapple beer I'm forgetting?

5 golden rings

 

[Xul1]

I'm puzzled because a couple of the clues seem to suggest beers that I don't think have ever been bottled.

12th - Black Tuesday
13th - Coton?
14th - Salt of the Earth?
15th - Grey Monday
16th - Oude Tart w/ Cherries
17th - Fuzzy Baby Ducks... no, wait... wtf? Is that a goose?
18th - Go Team?
19th - ?
20th - Filthy Blonde?
21st - Dirty Beaver Juice Weekend???!!!
22nd - SitR w/ Pineapple and Coconut? Is there another pineapple beer I'm forgetting?
23rd - ?


Curious to see other people's guesses

12th - BT
13th - Probably a Melange but not sure
14th - Sucre (no idea what variant)
15th - Grey Monday
16th - OTwC
17th - BA 6 Geese
18th - SitR
19th - A Melange, not sure which one
20th - Rueuze '13
21st - Wanderer
22nd - BA 5GR
23rd - Chocolate Rain

 

[Josh2]

I'm puzzled because a couple of the clues seem to suggest beers that I don't think have ever been bottled.

12th - Black Tuesday
13th - Coton?
14th - Salt of the Earth?
15th - Grey Monday
16th - Oude Tart w/ Cherries
17th - Fuzzy Baby Ducks... no, wait... wtf? Is that a goose?
18th - Go Team?
19th - ?
20th - filmishmish/rueuze?
21st - Dirty Beaver Juice Weekend???!!!
22nd - SitR w/ Pineapple and Coconut? Is there another pineapple beer I'm forgetting?
23rd - ?


Curious to see other people's guesses

 

[kscaldef]

18th - SitR
19th - A Melange, not sure which one
20th - Rueuze '13
21st - Wanderer

20th - filmishmish/rueuze?

Not sure I'm getting the logic on these. Explain?

Catcher -> Catcher in the Rye -> Sour in the Rye, I guess maybe. Makes more sense than anything else I can come up with. But the others?

 

[Xul1]

Not sure I'm getting the logic on these. Explain?

Catcher -> Catcher in the Rye -> Sour in the Rye, I guess maybe. Makes more sense than anything else I can come up with. But the others?

19th - Google the terminology in the picture and you'll find something about a melange.
20th - Blonde...Rueuze is a sour blonde, not sure what else fits.
21st - There's a Platypus on the Wanderer label, this one I'm quite sure of.

 

[johnnyramirez]

I'm puzzled because a couple of the clues seem to suggest beers that I don't think have ever been bottled.

12th - Black Tuesday
13th - Coton?
14th - Salt of the Earth?
15th - Grey Monday
16th - Oude Tart w/ Cherries
17th - Fuzzy Baby Ducks... no, wait... wtf? Is that a goose?
18th - Go Team?
19th - ?
20th - Filthy Blonde?
21st - Dirty Beaver Juice Weekend???!!!
22nd - SitR w/ Pineapple and Coconut? Is there another pineapple beer I'm forgetting?
23rd - ?


Curious to see other people's guesses

12th - BT
13th - Probably a Melange but not sure
14th - Sucre (no idea what variant)
15th - Grey Monday
16th - OTwC
17th - BA 6 Geese
18th - SitR
19th - A Melange, not sure which one
20th - Rueuze '13
21st - Wanderer
22nd - BA 5GR
23rd - Chocolate Rain

I think the 14th is a bag of rice. Or Xata is my guess there. Confused as hell on 13, 19, 20

 

[Josh2]

Not sure I'm getting the logic on these. Explain?

Catcher -> Catcher in the Rye -> Sour in the Rye, I guess maybe. Makes more sense than anything else I can come up with. But the others?

Sour blondes

The only reason I wouldn't think it's rueuze is because it has been distributed. To my knowledge filmishmish hasn't been.

 

[kscaldef]

21st - There's a Platypus on the Wanderer label, this one I'm quite sure of.

Well so there is. Never noticed that before.

 

[CommanderofAwesome]

Ahh, that's good work boys.

 

[preacher1]

I was late yet able to get a few. phew....I mean one. I'm not mean but one?

 

[Rau711]

Still for sale when I checked around 5am. Didn't buy.

 

[LawIsTheUT]

It is 2013 Black Tuesday for those not paying close attention

 

[theothermatt]

Why would the Pineapple on 22 be BA 5 Golden Rings?