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As for the light vs. dark theory, I don't think it works with beer. The worst hangover homebrew I have made was a very clean cream ale. It had corn and rice in it. It's color was ~2 SRM and the ABV was about 4%. My buddy called it the "hangover beer" because we would drink a couple (not getting hammered) and be hungover the next morning. All I can figure is that the adjuncts contributed to the hangover. It fermented in the low 60's so fusels should have been very low.
 
Most of the hangover is caused by the alcohol. It's the metabolism of the alcohol and the dehydrating affects that contribute almost all of the symptoms you encounter. The dehydration is easy to explain, while the metabolism is harder. Acetaldehyde is an intermediate step in the metabolism of alcohol. It is an incredibly toxic compound to your body. You use a lot of your bodies antioxidants to prevent damage from the compound.

The other compound, fusal alcohols and tannins contribute a small portion of the hangover, mostly in people who have a high sensitivity to them.
 
Big glass of water and some asprin before you go to sleep.Gatorade and a mcdonalds cheese burger when you wake up = no hangover.Sounds stupid,but try it.works everytime.
 
I'm not talking alcohol content. Obviously, the same ratio of wine to vodka is going to cause different effects due to the amount of alcohol. I'm talking about the idea/urban myth that darker alcoholic drinks like red wine, dark rum, rye, etc. have the potential to contribute more intensely to the effects of drinking than lighter drinks - vodka, gin, light rum.

I've heard of this, but don't know whether it's fact or not.

chefmike, we're all old pricks. This is what old pricks do. :)

Well, darker alcohols (ie dark rum, whiskey) contain congeners, which are actually toxic chemicals that are a natural by-product of fermentation. Drinking these alcohols will definitely cause worse hangovers than lighter-colored spirits (vodka, etc). Not sure how or if this translates into beer...

Wine contains sulfites, which also causes headaches/hangovers in some people. Sulfites are also a natural by-product of fermentation in wine, but additional sulfites are usually added for preservation purposes.

Dehydration is usually the most likely cause of hangovers, as most have stated. And the amount inbibed clearly will affect hangovers, as I'm learning as I slooowly approach 30 ;)
 
As for darker vs. lighter.Go out and drink 10 guinesses.The next night drink 10 golden anniversarys.Then you will know.
 
I would agree with the sulphides part. I'll tell you this drink the same amount of something like tomato wine or even grape wine,,, then the next day drink the same amount of onion wine. After the onion wine, you will wish you were dead the next day.
 
There are hundreds of compounds produced during the brewing process that, when ingested in a high enough dosage, are going to have adverse effects upon the human body. Aldehydes, phenolics, esters, and fusel alcohols can be byproducts of fermentation. These are the compound that are in too high concentration in 'headache' beers that pound your skull in the morning after drinking just three or four beer. This is especially true of aldehydes.

The main cause of hangovers is ethanol. If you get hangovers it is because you poisoned yourself with ethanol. Here's a cool synopsis of what you are going to be experiencing tomorrow morning.

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Don't drink the last glass of beer. That glass contains the hangover. Stay away from the last glass.

To add to JennieD. Dark alcohols are colored from the oak.

The oak plays a large part or many peoples headaches is my theory. This is why dark alcohols, and red wine mess with people so much. A lot of people think that the sulfites in wine does it (and it does to some) but apple juice has sulfites and you don't hear people talking about having an apple juice hangover. White wine has more sulfites then red most of the time.
 
I would agree with the sulphides part. I'll tell you this drink the same amount of something like tomato wine or even grape wine,,, then the next day drink the same amount of onion wine. After the onion wine, you will wish you were dead the next day.


Are you fecking kidding me! Onion wine! Man, I thought I had it bad with Fig wine. Most god aweful stuff I have ever drank.
 
A lot of people think that the sulfites in wine does it (and it does to some) but apple juice has sulfites and you don't hear people talking about having an apple juice hangover.

True, but most people don't drink as much apple juice as wine! :cross:
 
Sure they do, we here drink an abnormal amount. We just like to let the yeast have their share before we do :mug:
 
For me out of the BMC group I don't touch Bud stuff any more b/c it hurts more the next day than Miller.

I have read that Bud leaves high enough acetaldehyde to exceed the flavor threshold (IIRC, 6 ppm) for a "crispness," not unlike a granny smith apple. But what I read is that it isnt enough to do much; your liver processes ethanol and that is where it comes from.
 
If you skip just one step in the brewing process I promise you'll have a hangover free beer! :ban:

Are you referring to Sparging and the risk of releasing headache causing Tannins into the Wort by doing so?
 
You both are probably right as that is a much funnier answer. Leave it to me to over analyze. Thanks. I'll just get back to RDWHAHB ...
 
Guiness is famously a low alcohol beer. So if you think Guiness doesn't give you a hangover, it might be because you consume less booze per beer than with other beers. Also, Guiness (and stouts in general) tends to be a sippin' beer. So slower intake plus lower ABV = less hangover

There is an old theory about champagne that might factor in. Cheap champagne delivers a far worse headache than the good stuff due to the fact that the cheap stuff is heavily carbonated and it pushes the booze into you faster. Or something along those lines. If there is any truth to it, then high carbonation may give you a worse headache.

So... Brew a session beer (lower alchohol). Brew it cold (no bad booze). Brew it light in color (no tannins). Manage your carbonation levels (no Andre).
 
The problem with this question is there are a great number of brewing substances that cause a hangover, including the fruit of the labor itself (ethanol). Anecdotally, having friends in the medical profession, I've had water added to my blood stream artificially after drinking. This of course predicatbly reduces the experienced hangover, but it does not completely cure it.

Moderation is always going to be the BEST cure. But not always the practical cure.

That being the case, from a drinker's perspective, we want to consume only the amount of ethanol to cause the desired effect and no more. We want to consume a sufficient amount of water (to dilute the after effect of ethanol) and vitamins--particularly B vitamins, to lessen the negative effects.

From a brewer's perspective the obvious is to limit the amount of ethanol. This isn't always desirable as it also limits some of the perceived benefits of drinking. To make drinkable "effective" beer we need to: lessen congeners (found commonly in dark alcohols but not necessarily dark beers), limit fusel alcohols, lessen the carbohydrate content of our beers and maintain an acceptable amount of electrolytes in our beer.

Reasons against limiting ethanol are obvious. Have you ever drank a low ABV beer? Not only does it taste bad, but it also does not cause any sort of pleasant inebriation.

1) Congeners are substances found in dark alcohols (dark rum and whiskey) and not in light alcohols (vodka and gin). The difference between the spirits is obviously the color. Other than that, dark alcohols are commonly aged in Oak barrels. Apparently that is hangover producing (I can't say why). They also tend to have a higher sugar content, which is probably an additive to hangovers. The lesson is to limit free (unfermented) sugar in your brew.

2) Fusel alcohols, along with the "heads" of fermentation are the non-desirable types of alcohol other than ethanol. Many types of alcohol exist (at least 18), the one we desire is known as ethanol. Readers may also be familiar with methanol and isopropol. These area both alcohols, but when metabolized have negative effects on a person. A discussion of the types of alcohol exists here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol. A brewer should aim to minimize the number of fusel alcohols while producing ethanol. A key control to this is a careful watch of fermentation temperatures. Typically a cooler temperature is better, but each yeast strain has a preference.

3)Commercial yeast strains always have an average attenuation advertised with them. In overly simplified terms, this number represents the amount of fermentable sugars that are actually converted to alcohol. The higher the number, the lower sugar content in the final brew. This will obviously have drastic effect on the final brew of the beer if the intent is something sweet. Still, the higher the carbohydrate (read sugar) content of the final brew, the greater the hangover effects.

4) Adding electrolytes, known more commonly as salts, may help the consumer. I don't known of anyone in the brewing community who presently does this, but there are theoretical beers which are hydrating by themselves. http://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/scifi/scientists-create-beer-hydrates-drink-alcoholics-rejoice.html. I have yet to see one of these, but I would love to see the homebrewing community create one!
 
change your liver so it doesnt metabolize alcohol into Acetaldehyde then drink 30 or 40 liters of water and then just realize for every up there is a down really...nothing worth doing doesn't give at least a bit of a hangover
 
Big glass of water and some asprin before you go to sleep.Gatorade and a mcdonalds cheese burger when you wake up = no hangover.Sounds stupid,but try it.works everytime.

That's great advice for destroying your liver. Horrible advice if you don't want to die early.
 
That's great advice for destroying your liver. Horrible advice if you don't want to die early.

I always hold my beer at 150F for an hour after fermentation and before cold crashing......... This drives off the methanol, and makes a big difference...........

Aside from that, B vitamins and lots of water make a huge difference.... and make you piss yellow.


H.W.
 
I always hold my beer at 150F for an hour after fermentation and before cold crashing......... This drives off the methanol, and makes a big difference...........

Aside from that, B vitamins and lots of water make a huge difference.... and make you piss yellow.


H.W.

I was referring to his advice of taking aspirin after binge drinking, which is pretty much the worst possible thing you can do to your liver. If you did that regularly, you could expect to have liver failure in the near future (or cirrhosis of the liver or something similar).
 
worlddivides- It's actually acetaminophen(Tylenol) plus alcohol that can lead to liver damage. Aspirin is OK.
 
worlddivides- It's actually acetaminophen(Tylenol) plus alcohol that can lead to liver damage. Aspirin is OK.

Drinking a SMALL amount of alcohol while taking the prescribed amount of Aspirin shouldn't cause liver damage, but this thread is talking about hangovers, which pretty much don't happen if you're drinking the amount of alcohol that's okay while taking Aspirin (generally written on the label to be three standard drinks).

Besides, a study by the American Medical Association found that aspirin actually slows the rate that your body metabolizes alcohol, making the effects of the alcohol last longer, which would just be another angle for not taking it when drinking.

So, I'll grant you that Aspirin isn't as bad as Tylenol, but it will still cause liver damage with binge drinking.
 

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