Brewcraft Rogue Dead Guy Extract Kit - Brewers Crystals?

[ultravista]

What is a substitute for Brewers Crystals (see below)?

I found the ingredients from a Brewcraft Dead Guy kit. I am converting this to all grain and need to know what to sub.

1lb Munich Malt Steep 20 minutes at 155F
.5 Crystal 40L Steep 20 minutes at 155F
3lbs Pilsen Light DME 60 minute boil
2lbs Amber DME 60 minute boil
1lb Brewers Crystals 60 minute boil

Apparently Brewers Crystals are:
Granulated corn syrup solids with dextrose mostly converted to maltose, ~56%. This sugar mimics the fermentable/unfermentable ratio of sugars of barley malt wort. A good gravity booster when additional alcohol and dextrines are desired but additional malt flavor, aroma and color are not.

Should I add a little more 2 row to get the OG to where it should be?

 

[unionrdr]

Since it's a brown ale,I honestly don't think it'd hurt. Just don't get jiggy wit it. +10 for the dead guy!! I may just try the recipe as is. I was wondering if there was one. What were the hops used,& what schedule? And since we now have to fermenters,& two brewers...

 

[ultravista]

The complete notes are:
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Deep Honey in Color. Hearty malt aroma with a bold hop flavor.

OG: 1.063 - FG: 1.015
Color: 16 SRM
IBU: 40 - ABV: 6.3%

Brew Schedule
1lb Munich Malt Steep 20 minutes at 155F
.5 Crystal 40L Steep 20 minutes at 155F
3lbs Pilsen Light DME 60 minute boil
2lbs Amber DME 60 minute boil
1lb Brewers Crystals 60 minute boil
1oz Rogue Farms Independent hops 60 minute boil
.5oz Czech Saaz hops 15 minute boil
.5oz Czech Saaz hops Steep 10 minutes after boil

Fermentation
Wyeast 1764 or US-05
Ferment at 60F

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[rycov]

Since it's a brown ale,I honestly don't think it'd hurt. Just don't get jiggy wit it. +10 for the dead guy!! I may just try the recipe as is. I was wondering if there was one. What were the hops used,& what schedule? And since we now have to fermenters,& two brewers...

isn't dead guy a maibock style beer but with ale yeast?

 

[Yooper]

That's different, but not incredibly so, from my recipe. the amber extract would be more crystal and base malt.

I have no idea about "brewer's crystals", though!

It's certainly NOT a "brown ale".

 

[unionrdr]

I just had a thought that maybe "brewer's crystal" reacts the same way as cooper's "brewing sugar",which is 80% dextrose,20% maltodextrin. Maybe a good substitute? It comes in 1kg packs.

 

[wyzazz]

I'd substitute it with a 50/50 mix of Maltodextrine and Dextrose. It may not be exact but it'll be really close.

 

[unionrdr]

Thanx for the schedule,ultravista (UV?,lolz). Since 50/50 might be closer (?),how about cooper's brew enhancer1? It's 60% dextrose,40% maltodextrine? You'd have to convert kilograms/grams to US standard dry measurements. I have the formulas somewhere,have to play around with that. 2 easy choices,anyway...
*PS-since the crystal contains dextrose mostly converted to maltose,the cooper's brew enhancer1 seems to be the closest to the crystals 56% maltose. That's if I'm remembering things right. I used ask.com search to look up maltodextrin,& I keep thinking maltose was said to be another name for it?

 

[wyzazz]

Maltose is not Maltodextrine. The Cooper's Brew Enhancer should work just fine.

 

[unionrdr]

I'm finding that they are similar compounds in usage. Maltose is a disaccharide,maltodextrin is a polysaccharide. It is said that maltose is also known as malt sugar. New world encyclopedia says "...maltose is not common in food,but can be formed from the digestion of starch,& is heavy in the sugar in malt,the juice of barley,& other grains.". Maltose,sucrose,& lactose are similar,but differ in structure.
here's a maltose link-http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Maltose
Here's one for maltodextrine-http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-maltodextrin.htm
Just thought y'all might like to read up on both. Veeery interesting...

 

[JRems]

Austin homebrewsupply has this product. I think it's called brew vint alcohol booster.
http://www.austinhomebrew.com/product_info.php?cPath=178_21_73_404&products_id=10137

 

[rockfish42]

There's a Can You Brew It clone recipe that's dead on
https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f12/can-you-brew-recipe-rogue-dead-guy-ale-175382/

 

[ultravista]

I prefer not to use this adjunct by replacing it with a grain.

I guess the recipe calls for it to boost ABV, not impart any flavor. That could be accomplished with a little extra 2-row I presume.

rockfish42 - the Can You Brew It recipe is 49 IBU (Rager). The IBU was discussed with John M. and throughout the broadcast. Dead Guy however is 40 IBU and has been for quite some time.

I am curious why they called it cloned at 49 IBU and made no mention of the higher than posted IBU from Rogue.

 

[ArcaneXor]

I prefer not to use this adjunct by replacing it with a grain.

I guess the recipe calls for it to boost ABV, not impart any flavor. That could be accomplished with a little extra 2-row I presume.

rockfish42 - the Can You Brew It recipe is 49 IBU (Rager). The IBU was discussed with John M. and throughout the broadcast. Dead Guy however is 40 IBU and has been for quite some time.

I am curious why they called it cloned at 49 IBU and made no mention of the higher than posted IBU from Rogue.

Rogue's number is probably either measured or estimated with another formula.
Even Rogue's number were based on Rager, scale and process differences can result in a somewhat different bittering character that they may have adjusted for based on experience.

 

[SpanishCastleAle]

I prefer not to use this adjunct by replacing it with a grain.

I guess the recipe calls for it to boost ABV, not impart any flavor. That could be accomplished with a little extra 2-row I presume.

A mixture of 2-row and Carapils/Carafoam might be closer.