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Just finished brewing this tonight. I've got an OG of 1.114, biggest starting gravity I've ever had.

I'm pitching it directly into a carboy that I just racked a wheat ale out of. That was a 1.040 beer, so essentially a 5gal starter. Never re-used yeast before, here's hoping I see bubbles in my blow-off tube soon. :)

What kind of yeast starters did other folks use?
 
I did one last fall that started at around 1.130. Made a big gallon starter, then hit it twice with O2. Once on brew day, again the next day. It helps the yeast multiply.
 
one month down on mine, going to shoot for 5 more months of aging. i can't wait a full year to drink this :D
 
What was everyone's oak+bourbon schedule? I was thinking 4oz of wood chips + 16oz of bourbon for 4 weeks. I like a big bourbon flavor, and I used 16oz of bourbon in Northern Brewers' Bourbon Barrel Porter. That much bourbon will probably require more aging, I'm thinking if I get this kegged by August, I can be drinking it by late winter (February/March).
 
What was everyone's oak+bourbon schedule? I was thinking 4oz of wood chips + 16oz of bourbon for 4 weeks. I like a big bourbon flavor, and I used 16oz of bourbon in Northern Brewers' Bourbon Barrel Porter. That much bourbon will probably require more aging, I'm thinking if I get this kegged by August, I can be drinking it by late winter (February/March).


1st Batch:
Oak Infusion Spirals - 2 pack - Medium + Toast with Knob Creek

2nd Batch:
Oak Infusion Spirals - 2 pack - Medium + Toast with Gentlemen Jack

Both batch's have been soaking on oak for 4 weeks now




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coming up on 6 months for mine now. gonna bottle some and let them sit until the one year mark and have the rest on keg. pix:

bcbs.jpg


bcbs II.jpg
 
so thoughts on this. bcbs is my second fave beer on earth, behind stones enjoy. they are making more of it so it is pretty easy to get some in season. mine is coming up on 6 months now, I will be bottling and cellaring most of it for a full year. mine came out to 1.130 and 1.034. abv was 12.9% before adding 3/4 bottle of bulleit bourbon (yum). I used 1 oz of oak chips for 6 weeks. as you can see (the real thing on the right), color is spot on (duh, black is black) and the real one has just a shade tanner head. I carbed mine higher than the real thing as you can see. mouthfeel is about the same I would think. so is this a clone, can I make 5 gal of bcbs in my basement? errr... no. differences: the oak is hard to get right. mine is a little heavy on oak aroma and flavor. this mellows in time and isn't at all bad now, just different than the real one. I don't think that bcbs has a very heavy oak profile. however, nailing it will be tricky - if it's good today, it might not be after a year of aging. not a big thing though. as far as the bourbon goes, if you have a bottle of bcbs handy you can keep comparing and adding until you think you are close. for me that was 3/4 bottle. the real bcbs is a lot smoother, again probably aging which you can do if you like. so none of these are a big deal, but one is. it has been mentioned before - some have said this recipe is too "roasty". I knocked down the dark malts as suggested to compensate. and I can understand what people are saying but I think the real problem is not that it is too roasty, I think it isn't sweet enough (maybe that's a different way of saying the same thing). the real bcbs is like boozy pancake syrup, I have always said I am going to pour it on pancakes for breakfast one day and I am completely serious. it even smells like molasses. this one doesn't have that same "it's almost cloying" sweetness. you DO get a hint of it, no doubt about it - when you drink this it's like "nope. but... wait..." you get a flash of it. I will leave it up to the experts here how to bump up the sweetness more, you sure can't do it with higher gravity :) so should you brew this? hell yes, it is an excellent stout, and will get you about 60% of the way to bcbs. and 60% of perfect is pretty damn good.
 
Awesome thread this is my favorite beer of all time thanks for posting this thread
 
Today I brewed 15 gallons of Bourbon county Stout @ 1.112. Ran an additional 10.5 gallons of water thru the used grain and come up with 8 gallons of 1.074 Little County Stout, can't wait to try little county to see what it taste like. If it comes out tasty I will try to make it a 10 gallon Little County stout next time. Hops used for Little county were Centennial and Amarillo.

Any ideas how I would save the second running Little County Stout as a recipe in a brewing app?


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so thoughts on this. bcbs is my second fave beer on earth, behind stones enjoy. they are making more of it so it is pretty easy to get some in season. mine is coming up on 6 months now, I will be bottling and cellaring most of it for a full year. mine came out to 1.130 and 1.034. abv was 12.9% before adding 3/4 bottle of bulleit bourbon (yum). I used 1 oz of oak chips for 6 weeks. as you can see (the real thing on the right), color is spot on (duh, black is black) and the real one has just a shade tanner head. I carbed mine higher than the real thing as you can see. mouthfeel is about the same I would think. so is this a clone, can I make 5 gal of bcbs in my basement? errr... no. differences: the oak is hard to get right. mine is a little heavy on oak aroma and flavor. this mellows in time and isn't at all bad now, just different than the real one. I don't think that bcbs has a very heavy oak profile. however, nailing it will be tricky - if it's good today, it might not be after a year of aging. not a big thing though. as far as the bourbon goes, if you have a bottle of bcbs handy you can keep comparing and adding until you think you are close. for me that was 3/4 bottle. the real bcbs is a lot smoother, again probably aging which you can do if you like. so none of these are a big deal, but one is. it has been mentioned before - some have said this recipe is too "roasty". I knocked down the dark malts as suggested to compensate. and I can understand what people are saying but I think the real problem is not that it is too roasty, I think it isn't sweet enough (maybe that's a different way of saying the same thing). the real bcbs is like boozy pancake syrup, I have always said I am going to pour it on pancakes for breakfast one day and I am completely serious. it even smells like molasses. this one doesn't have that same "it's almost cloying" sweetness. you DO get a hint of it, no doubt about it - when you drink this it's like "nope. but... wait..." you get a flash of it. I will leave it up to the experts here how to bump up the sweetness more, you sure can't do it with higher gravity :) so should you brew this? hell yes, it is an excellent stout, and will get you about 60% of the way to bcbs. and 60% of perfect is pretty damn good.

To make this sweeter, maybe a few pounds of lactose would help? I just bought a barrel so I'll be brewing it shortly.
 
Brewed this for the first time yesterday. I tried going all-grain with it (39 lbs for 6 gallons?!?!?!). I assumed some efficiency problems with the no-sparge situation, so I set my efficiency 5% lower in Beersmith and did a finer crush. My pre-boil gravity was only 1.085 instead of 1.114, quite a bit off. We heated the wort up a bit more to 170 and ran it through the mash tun again, but it barely made a difference, something like 1.088.

I admitted defeat and added 4 lbs of extract to get up to the expected pre-boil gravity. I made a huge starter and it was chugging away like a madman by morning. I'll give it a few weeks then rack it into my used 5 gallon barrel to sit until the flavor gets to where I like it!
 
Brewed this for the first time yesterday. I tried going all-grain with it (39 lbs for 6 gallons?!?!?!). I assumed some efficiency problems with the no-sparge situation, so I set my efficiency 5% lower in Beersmith and did a finer crush. My pre-boil gravity was only 1.085 instead of 1.114, quite a bit off. We heated the wort up a bit more to 170 and ran it through the mash tun again, but it barely made a difference, something like 1.088.

I admitted defeat and added 4 lbs of extract to get up to the expected pre-boil gravity. I made a huge starter and it was chugging away like a madman by morning. I'll give it a few weeks then rack it into my used 5 gallon barrel to sit until the flavor gets to where I like it!

what recipe did you use? mash temp? how's it going so far?
 
I'm very happy with my outcome. Here's how I got there:

5/29/14: Brew day, hit an OG of 1.114 using the recipe on the first post of this thread. Pitched it on a yeast cake from 5 gallons of wheat ale. Pitched it directly in to the wheat ale's carboy after racking the wheat out.

7/12/14: Racked to secondary with a gravity of 1.037. 10.3% already! I soaked 4oz of oak cubes in 16oz bullit bourbon for several days before racking, and threw the whole solution in on 7/12.

8/16/14: Kegged. FG of 1.035. Factoring in the 16oz of bourbon, I'm at around 11.2%. Not as big as BCBS, but the biggest beer I've made to date.

2/14/15: Kegerator has been empty for a while, so I throw this in and force carbed it for 24 hours.

Today: It's thick, sweet and syrupy like BCBS. Mine has more oak flavor than bourbon - I think it could do with another few months of aging. I plan on bottling half and trying some next Winter. It's still delicious, so I'll probably drink the rest of the keg this winter, and then time my next batch of this so it has 9-12 months to age, ending in the winter time. If I were to brew it with a shorter turnaround time in mind, I'd probably go with less oak. I love oak flavors, but for a BCBS clone this has too much oak and not enough bourbon right now.
 
I'm very happy with my outcome. Here's how I got there:

5/29/14: Brew day, hit an OG of 1.114 using the recipe on the first post of this thread. Pitched it on a yeast cake from 5 gallons of wheat ale. Pitched it directly in to the wheat ale's carboy after racking the wheat out.

7/12/14: Racked to secondary with a gravity of 1.037. 10.3% already! I soaked 4oz of oak cubes in 16oz bullit bourbon for several days before racking, and threw the whole solution in on 7/12.

8/16/14: Kegged. FG of 1.035. Factoring in the 16oz of bourbon, I'm at around 11.2%. Not as big as BCBS, but the biggest beer I've made to date.

2/14/15: Kegerator has been empty for a while, so I throw this in and force carbed it for 24 hours.

Today: It's thick, sweet and syrupy like BCBS. Mine has more oak flavor than bourbon - I think it could do with another few months of aging. I plan on bottling half and trying some next Winter. It's still delicious, so I'll probably drink the rest of the keg this winter, and then time my next batch of this so it has 9-12 months to age, ending in the winter time. If I were to brew it with a shorter turnaround time in mind, I'd probably go with less oak. I love oak flavors, but for a BCBS clone this has too much oak and not enough bourbon right now.

So, couple of questions...

1) Was this a 5 gallon batch?
2) What wheat beer strain did you use to ferment this? Any off flavors? What temp?

I've had good results in the past with "bourbon barrel" beers using 2oz oak cubes soaked with enough bourbon to just cover the oak. Then I drain the bourbon, drink it, and add the oak. When bottling, I blend in fresh bourbon to taste. I might try a combo of our methods on this one in the Spring.
 
So, couple of questions...



1) Was this a 5 gallon batch?

2) What wheat beer strain did you use to ferment this? Any off flavors? What temp?



I've had good results in the past with "bourbon barrel" beers using 2oz oak cubes soaked with enough bourbon to just cover the oak. Then I drain the bourbon, drink it, and add the oak. When bottling, I blend in fresh bourbon to taste. I might try a combo of our methods on this one in the Spring.


Yes, this was a 5 gallon batch.

I pitched this on to a yeast cake of 1056, the wheat beer before it was 6.5 lbs US 2 row, 1 lbs Wheat Malt, 0.5lb 40L Crystal Malt. Fermented in my fridge at 65F.

I like your Bourbon + oak method, sounds like it may work better than what I did.
 
I like your Bourbon + oak method, sounds like it may work better than what I did.

We'll see...I probably won't brew it for a while but I'll try to remember to post the results here.

I've found too that putting in a little bit of vanilla bean helps to mimic the effect of long-term barrel aging if you aren't getting that characteristic.
 
OK. I designed this beer based on the following requirements/assumptions:

Assumption #1-- The Ingredients are listed on the GI website from greatest to least, but if two ingredients are used equally, they are placed in alphabetical order. This means I must have the following ingredients in the following order: Pale Malt, Munich, Chocolate, Caramel 60(n1), Roasted Barley, Debittered Black Malt. Now to look for ingredients that might be used equally.. Assuming the common convention is followed where things are listed in alphabetical order when used equally, Pale comes after Munich (alphabetically), so there's more Pale Malt than Munich (Otherwise they'd be listed in reverse order). And Munich comes after Chocolate (So there is probably more munich than chocolate, not equal amounts). And alphabetically, Chocolate comes after Caramel, so since Chocolate is listed first, there should definitely be more Chocolate malt than Caramel malt in this beer. It should be an actual quantitative difference, otherwise the order makes no sense (Caramel would be listed first). But then Caramel comes before Roasted Barley (alphabetically and on the ingredient list) so conceivably, those MIGHT be used at the same quantity. That's just a 50/50 coin flip though. Roasted barley could be quite a bit less. However, since this beer has a ton of sweetness, I have no fear whatsoever about adding too much bitter malt, so equal parts of Roasted Barley and Caramel it is! And then Roasted Barley comes after Debittered so there is a likely quantitative difference there as well. So basically, Roasted barley and caramel are the only two ingredients which might be used in equal parts in this recipe, and everything else follows a definite hierarchy of quantity (assuming the GI brewers know how to put things in alphabetical order and aren't trying to screw with us). So from here, and knowing the OG/FG, and the SRM's, it's just a logic problem to figure out possible percentages. So now off to Beersmith I go!!!!

Requirement #1-- I will not be able to fit 6 gallons of this beer into my 5 gallon MLT, therefore, I will be doing this partigyle-style and creating two 3 gallon batches, mashing twice. Each time, I will take the first runnings for the BCS, and use the second runnings for a session beer of some sort. Maybe even a "Baby Bourbon Stout".

Requirement #2-- Even with the double-batch method, I will still likely need some Extract to increase the SG. I will also have to be watering down my hydrometer sample in order to get a reading.

Assumption #2-- The munich malt must be in there for a reason. It's the second listed ingredient, after 2-row. With all this darkness and maltiness, what's a little munich malt going to do besides take away from diastatic power? In such a complex beer, why not just add a little extra 2 row and some crystal? What's the point? Well, I'm guessing they are using quite a bit of Munich Malt. Otherwise, why not just leave it out? I am hypothesizing that that is the challenge for the brewer... use as much (low diastatic munich) as you can while still getting good conversion.

Requirement #3-- When trying to figure out the recipe, let the grains guide you more than the SRM. This beer will be BLACK. Period. So assuming the Goose Island is brewing All-Grain, I will use the SRM information to help me zone in on the recipe formula. However, since I'm brewing Partial Mash for this (due to the huge grain bill), I'm going let the SRM calculation slide a bit as necessary to get closer to what I think the actual beer recipe should be.

To me, the grain bill seems kind of weird. First you have your base malt (high diastatic, that's normal). But then you have a malt that barely converts itself, followed by everything else that won't convert. Why? What's the purpose of that Munich malt? For a beer that has so much going on already, do you think they would they add "just a handful" of it? "Just for a subtle hint of character"? IMO That doesn't make sense in a beer like this. Especially given that it actually makes it harder to achieve the desired SRM because it adds almost nothing (relatively speaking) to the color. So I suspect that if you want to really nail down this recipe, here's what you need to do: While keeping the ingredients in their proper order, use the maximum amount of Munich and the minimum amount of 2 row. Now, I don't dare push the boundary too closely, after all this beer is going to age for at least 6 months or more! It'd be a shame to screw it up in the brewing process. So I will play it safe with an adequate amount of two row, but based on this theory, I will be using Munich LME.

Remember, this is a 3 gallon recipe. I will make it twice to fill the carboy. And I want to make as much as humanly possible, so I'll be affixing a blow off tube and crossing my fingers.

Ingredients Amount Item Type % or IBU
Batch Size: 3.00 gal
Boil Volume: 3.43 gal Boil Time: 60 min
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.0 %

Ingredients Amount Item Type % or IBU
2.50 lb Munich Liquid Extract (8.0 SRM) Extract 17.2 %
4.50 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 31.0 %
2.25 lb Munich Malt (9.0 SRM) Grain 15.5 %
2.00 lb Chocolate Malt (350.0 SRM) Grain 13.8 %
1.50 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 10.3 %
1.50 lb Roasted Barley (300.0 SRM) Grain 10.3 %
0.25 lb Black (Patent) Malt (500.0 SRM) Grain 1.7 %
4.00 oz Williamette [4.60%] (60 min) Hops 59.9 IBU

Beer Profile
Estimated Original Gravity: 1.129 SG (1.075-1.100 SG) Measured Original Gravity: 1.129 SG
Estimated Final Gravity: 1.032 SG (1.018-1.034 SG) Measured Final Gravity: 1.042 SG
Estimated Color: 101.7 SRM (30.0-45.0 SRM) Color [Color]
Bitterness: 59.9 IBU (50.0-95.0 IBU) Alpha Acid Units: 6.1 AAU
Estimated Alcohol by Volume: 12.9 % (8.0-13.0 %) Actual Alcohol by Volume: 11.5 %
Actual Calories: 635 cal/pint


And I'll probably substitute UK Styrian for the Williamette, since that seems to be what was used earlier in this beer's history.

n1. Currently, the website just states "Crystal" However in previous years they did specify C-60. And frankly, I've had over 10 years of this beer and sometime around 2005 to 2008 was the best, IMO.

For the life of me, I cannot locate Humpalots mash temp and length of time. Others provided there's but his was nowhere to be found. I must have missed it. Can someone chime in...
 
funny to see someone else reading this thread as well ;)
I read through all the threads here and else where and see alot of the same and differnt things tried so i kinda threw alittle of everthing together.
 
funny to see someone else reading this thread as well ;)
I read through all the threads here and else where and see alot of the same and differnt things tried so i kinda threw alittle of everthing together.

What temp did you mash at? For how long?

Last but not least, how did it turn out?
 
I know this is an old thread, but I just brewed an all grain batch (31# of grain!!!) on Sunday. The thing fermented like a BEAST for 2 days, and has now just about completely stopped. I had an OG reading of 1.125. I just checked and I have 1.040.

Here is the question. Should I re yeast it when I put it on the secondary? Because it seems like the yeasts may be all dead with the high alcohol.

Or should I leave it alone?
 
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