Bottle Differences/ Problems

[Volare]

So I searched for an answer on this. Sorry if it has been asked and answered. I see some variations in the "collars" of bottles, and the differences have caused problems with my capping. The difference can be seen here:

I use a black double lever capper. The bottles like the one on the right seal very nicely. The levers go "over center" towards the end of the travel, and the caps are sealed nicely. The ones like on the left with the smaller collar, not so much. The levers don't go over center and the caps are on very loosely. I lose about one bottle in ten to failure to seal.

So I'm wondering if this is a known issue, and if there is anything that can be done to improve the situation. I have a LOT of these types of bottles, and I've been separating them, but if I can't figure out a way to seal them, I might as well send them to the recycler. I have a buddy who has a bench top capper, and he says he has the exact same problem, so he doesn't use the smaller collar.

Any wisdom would be appreciated.

 

[Jaybird]

Interesting. Honestly I would "think" a bench capper would be the ticket since they don't use the collar to grab and cap. But you say a buddy can't cap em either? Very interesting.. I will have to keep a look out for the short neck bottles.

Cheers
Jay

 

[EDF713]

The ones on the left are a pain, I find if I start to close my wing capper with the bottom gripping part higher up, starting with the bell housing higher above the cap, I can cap them, but it's a pain. I've started to get rid of these bottles and just keep the ones that are easier to cap.

 

[MrFoodScientist]

I'm surprised that your buddy would have an issue with them on a bench capper. The only bottles I've ever had an issue with on my bench capper are Sprecher root beer bottles with twist off caps. Other twist offs (usually soda bottles) have mostly been fine. I have a number of bottles with a small collar like Corona and Stella Artois bottles that I've never had an issue with.
I have noticed that the bottles I have with the larger collars are usually higher quality in general like Guinness and some blue Nittany Ale bottles that Midwest was selling for cheap a few years ago. They're usually thicker and heavier.

 

[Volare]

Answered here for posterity:

I went to my local home-brew shop and showed them my situation. I brought my capper along with me and some caps. They showed me how it has been re-designed to have a downward cam-action. Tried it out- worked great. So the old model is black, the new one is very dark grey. Both "Made in Italy" but no branding otherwise.

 

[ChrisRyan]

Interesting. Honestly I would "think" a bench capper would be the ticket since they don't use the collar to grab and cap. But you say a buddy can't cap em either? Very interesting.. I will have to keep a look out for the short neck bottles.

Cheers
Jay

I know this one will - https://www.beer-wine.com/deluxe-bench-capper-super-agata

 

[Hoppy2bmerry]

I use a bench capper and even refill twist top with no issue... At least so far.