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I've been to Russian River 3 times. You are 1/2 of the reason they cut me off the first time. The 2nd time was my fault.........I don't regret either event I suppose.

I mean, you actually have to wear a wig at some places just to get served.

Oh dude... That day was hilarious. I saw you chatting with the bar manager and I told your wife that I was so jealous of how quickly you made friends. Turns out we were getting thrown out.

...Which brings me to another shenanigan (last one, I swear). The final year that Younger was put into growlers, we got there at opening and took over the side room. I was two Youngers in by 11:15 and pretty drunk. We drank all day until I left around 6 pm.

At some point before that, we ran into Tomme Arthur sitting at a table. alfrantzell and largadeer told me to go up and say hi (I was notorious for bagging on Tomme / Lost Abbey on BA at the time). So I went up and introduced myself (real name). I listed a few beers of his that I liked and shook his hand. I then told him my BA handle. He looked a little annoyed and rushed off to the restroom. While he was gone, alfrantzell drank Tomme's beer and largadeer ate Tomme's pizza while his companions looked on incredulously. I think largadeer's parting words were, "Mmfmck moo" at the other people sitting there. I still had the wits about me to feel shame. But I am pretty sure Tomme Arthur hates me.

It's bad that I have so many stories like this, isn't it?
 
Arbitrator I knew that was you that liked to bring up bottle variation in the Eclipse beers. I couldn't remember and then you mentioned something about the eclipse party and I was confused. If it makes you feel better, I talked to Todd once and he admitted to the bottle variation. Obviously, he didn't say some bottles were crap, but basically they didn't, and possibly still don't, have tanks large enough to blend an entire batch at once. That lead to different blends for each bottle. To combat this, they just decided to put batch numbers on the bottles so you at least knew which batch you liked. Haven't bought a bottle to know if this is true, though, since they are stupid expensive here in Philly.
 
Oh dude... That day was hilarious. I saw you chatting with the bar manager and I told your wife that I was so jealous of how quickly you made friends. Turns out we were getting thrown out.

...Which brings me to another shenanigan (last one, I swear). The final year that Younger was put into growlers, we got there at opening and took over the side room. I was two Youngers in by 11:15 and pretty drunk. We drank all day until I left around 6 pm.

At some point before that, we ran into Tomme Arthur sitting at a table. alfrantzell and largadeer told me to go up and say hi (I was notorious for bagging on Tomme / Lost Abbey on BA at the time). So I went up and introduced myself (real name). I listed a few beers of his that I liked and shook his hand. I then told him my BA handle. He looked a little annoyed and rushed off to the restroom. While he was gone, alfrantzell drank Tomme's beer and largadeer ate Tomme's pizza while his companions looked on incredulously. I think largadeer's parting words were, "Mmfmck moo" at the other people sitting there. I still had the wits about me to feel shame. But I am pretty sure Tomme Arthur hates me.

It's bad that I have so many stories like this, isn't it?

Holy **** that is gold. Will demand pint curls whenever I'm in SF again.
 
So you and I will LITERALLY be the only two neck beards there without North Face garb on???


I don't think two such people have ever attended an Indiana event.....
Woah woah woah an Indian event without backfat and his yearlong neck beard? Does this mean he's doing it up Chicago style for the release?
 
How much is Proprietor's going to cost? I need to prepare for the $4$ battle on the trading forums.
 
The South Loop Binnys has announced that they'll see BCBS and all the variants starting at Noon. Anyone remember when folks got in line down there last year? 5am?

I know the Lincoln Park store will get more but that event is going to be the clusterfuckiest of clusterfucks. I suspect many people are heading there expecting to walk out with 1 of each (bottle or 4-pack) -- more likely, it will be 4-packs of the standard version for 90% of those who show up.
 
Arbitrator I knew that was you that liked to bring up bottle variation in the Eclipse beers. I couldn't remember and then you mentioned something about the eclipse party and I was confused.

Yeah, I first brought it up in 2009 and brought my tasting group around to the idea. They confirmed it in 2010 when they opened 2 bottles of Evan Williams side by side and found they tasted different. At that point we took it as a fact.

I don't bring it up to disparage the beers -- but I [used to] work in an engineering function assessing variability of semiconductor memory devices, and so I approached it like an engineering problem. I brought up the variation primarily as a suggestion for improving the packaging, since I knew they were using a mobile bottling operation. Todd didn't admit to any variation, but he indicated that in 2011 they were improving the packaging, so I bought a few cases again in support.

I still encountered variation, though it was less severe than the 2010 bottles. I wrote reviews accordingly. At that point, my relationship with Todd soured, primarily because he told my tasting group that I was off my rocker and/or trying to troll him. He adamantly denied bottle variation and attributed it to storage (never mind that sequential-numbered bottles from the SAME CASE in the SAME CLOSET opened on the SAME DAY tasted different).

At the same time, for 2012, he started brewing multiple batches of Totality and blending them, then blending barrels of different ages, so he knew something was going on and was working to alleviate the problem. He just didn't want to admit it and was kind of throwing me under the bus to do it. He confronted me in person at Eclipse and sent me some rude BMs -- we cleared it up later, but I was annoyed enough that I didn't buy the 2012 Eclipses at all, out of principle.

If it makes you feel better, I talked to Todd once and he admitted to the bottle variation. Obviously, he didn't say some bottles were crap, but basically they didn't, and possibly still don't, have tanks large enough to blend an entire batch at once. That lead to different blends for each bottle. To combat this, they just decided to put batch numbers on the bottles so you at least knew which batch you liked. Haven't bought a bottle to know if this is true, though, since they are stupid expensive here in Philly.

Yeah, he's danced around the idea of admitting crap bottles (which I understand -- financially, it's probably suicide), but the way he took my criticism so personally and argued with me over it has soured me on supporting him the way I used to. I still attend the party because it's a ton of fun, and I bought bottles thinking it would help me get tickets. But I understand I have no cache there anymore, and I've fallen a long way from "We need to get this guy in our blending sessions" to "**** this guy, he's a hater."

I tried to straddle the line between being a genuine, earnest supporter and offering constructive criticism where I could. Unfortunately, that line is either impossible to walk, or I don't have the finesse to do it.

That was the last post on this, I swear. Let's talk about BCBS.
 
I do not work at GI. I am close with someone who does.
I figured it was something like that after being told you don't work there. I was confused by some of your posts as they seemed pretty knowledgeable plus being able to the variants and such early.
 
Taking over Flossmoor Station's production facility in some kind of supervisor role.
Hmm, I wonder who's going to take over Eclipse. I guess I'll just be able to ask Alicia and Andy soon enough.

Also, this has to be in the running for least-on-topic thread on BT.
 

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