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moontea

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It looks like you have this BIAB pretty well figured out. You didn't show the grains and how well they were crushed. A really fine crush would have given you a higher efficiency and you could have cut your mash time too. Most of the 90 minute mash time is to let water seep into the grain particles and to leach the sugar back out. With smaller particles this process doesn't take nearly as long.
 
That was wonderful and I liked the photos and documentation. There's lots to learn and lots of ways to do things. Marvelous job on not wrecking the kitchen. Lol.
 
Awesome pics and process! Gives me more inspiration using my electric stove for biab also. I did an AG on my electric but it was a 1 gallon batch so I could control it a little bit but now I think I can go a little bigger! Couple questions though.

1) what is the aluminum foil for?

2) where did you get those sweet labels made? Yours looks sweet btw.



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very nice job. my only suggestion would be to start with hot water for your mash if possible. my faucet has an extension hose that can reach to the floor to fill my kettle. that will bring it up to temp way faster

edit: unless of course you are using bottled water
 
Cool post, loving the photos.

Looks like you have your setup and process pretty tuned in. It took me about 4-5 batches before I was truly comfortable with it, and now with 19 BIAB batches done it is just a matter of tweaking things and looking for small improvements.

I am surprised you didn't lose a single degree over a 90 minute mash. I typically lose 2 degrees over 60 minutes, and I use a polar fleece blanket that is folded over into 4 layers. I also never open and stir mid mash, as I found it caused my temperatures to drop more (3-4* over 60 minutes), and really once the mash is initially stirred up, I personally feel that it is just a matter of time letting things break down and seep out. One thing you do well that I don't is cover the bottom of the kettle. I just leave it sitting on the stove so I may lose some through the bottom. (I don't batch sparge, so I don't have to worry about turning on any burners while mashing).

One last thing I might recommend trying has to do with your grain bag. I can't tell if that is a custom one you have, or just a typically 5 gallon paint strainer bag. I have started using two of the 5g bags and dividing my mash between them. I had similar problems to yours stretching the top of the bag and having the grain ball-up, and just generally being too crowded in the pot. Splitting between two bags I can spread things out and I feel it does a better job of getting the grain fully exposed to the mash water.

I don't know why the wort stratified the way it did, it does seem a little odd, but I am sure the yeast will know what to do with it all still. I hope it turns out great, it seems like it went according to plan!
 
Awesome pics and process! Gives me more inspiration using my electric stove for biab also. I did an AG on my electric but it was a 1 gallon batch so I could control it a little bit but now I think I can go a little bigger! Couple questions though.

1) what is the aluminum foil for?

2) where did you get those sweet labels made? Yours looks sweet btw.



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1. If I don't put the aluminum foil down under the kettle, it makes an obsene noise and starts rocking back and forth. I've heard other people call this "dancing". The kettle I have is really a turkey fryer, and the bottom is actually convex like a shallow bowl. This makes it do the dancing, so a little aluminum foil around the edge of the pot holds it steady and keeps if from dancing off of the stove (I think it really would go right off the stove).

2. Unfortuantely, the green bullet is not a homebrew but rather a beer I picked up at the store. It is delicous though, one of my favorites.
 
Cool post, loving the photos.

Looks like you have your setup and process pretty tuned in. It took me about 4-5 batches before I was truly comfortable with it, and now with 19 BIAB batches done it is just a matter of tweaking things and looking for small improvements.

I am surprised you didn't lose a single degree over a 90 minute mash. I typically lose 2 degrees over 60 minutes, and I use a polar fleece blanket that is folded over into 4 layers. I also never open and stir mid mash, as I found it caused my temperatures to drop more (3-4* over 60 minutes), and really once the mash is initially stirred up, I personally feel that it is just a matter of time letting things break down and seep out. One thing you do well that I don't is cover the bottom of the kettle. I just leave it sitting on the stove so I may lose some through the bottom. (I don't batch sparge, so I don't have to worry about turning on any burners while mashing).

One last thing I might recommend trying has to do with your grain bag. I can't tell if that is a custom one you have, or just a typically 5 gallon paint strainer bag. I have started using two of the 5g bags and dividing my mash between them. I had similar problems to yours stretching the top of the bag and having the grain ball-up, and just generally being too crowded in the pot. Splitting between two bags I can spread things out and I feel it does a better job of getting the grain fully exposed to the mash water.

I don't know why the wort stratified the way it did, it does seem a little odd, but I am sure the yeast will know what to do with it all still. I hope it turns out great, it seems like it went according to plan!
Thanks for the detailed reply! My bag is definately to small, I was thinking of cutting a slit in it to see if it would go all the way over my kettle but maybe I'll do the second bag like you suggest instead. i don't know if I have to stir the mash every 15 minutes, you are probably right about the intial doughing in being enough. Some people have said that 90 minutes is to long, I just did what beersmith told me to do.
The stratification went away, it all settled on the bottom and looks normal now. I think somehow some of the break material got in there, hopefully it won't any cause off flavors.
 
Thanks for the detailed reply! My bag is definately to small, I was thinking of cutting a slit in it to see if it would go all the way over my kettle but maybe I'll do the second bag like you suggest instead. i don't know if I have to stir the mash every 15 minutes, you are probably right about the intial doughing in being enough. Some people have said that 90 minutes is to long, I just did what beersmith told me to do.
The stratification went away, it all settled on the bottom and looks normal now. I think somehow some of the break material got in there, hopefully it won't any cause off flavors.

May want to consider one of Wilserbrewer's bags. Very affordable and very high quality.

He has a website detailing the options.

Haven't tried the 2 bag approach so I'm no use there.
 
As mentioned above, a larger bag that fully lines your kettle would be a help. While a 9 gallon kettle is a tad small for 5 gallon batches, there are a couple things you could do to not live so close to the top rim.

1. reduce your strike water by around a gallon and conduct your mash. at the conclusion of the mash, top up the kettle with boiling water from your second smaller pot. Remove the bag and start your boil.

2. once your wort is boiling, add your additional wort to top up the kettle slowly over the course of several minutes eliminating the challenge of bringing a full kettle to a boil.

You don't have to live so dangerously mashing and boiling close to the rim, but rather top up as you go. Even a cold water sparge of the bag works if you run out of hot sparge water due to your limited HLT size.
 
Thanks for the detailed reply! My bag is definately to small, I was thinking of cutting a slit in it to see if it would go all the way over my kettle but maybe I'll do the second bag like you suggest instead. i don't know if I have to stir the mash every 15 minutes, you are probably right about the intial doughing in being enough. Some people have said that 90 minutes is to long, I just did what beersmith told me to do.
The stratification went away, it all settled on the bottom and looks normal now. I think somehow some of the break material got in there, hopefully it won't any cause off flavors.

No problemo, I always enjoy learning about other peoples process and photos make everything so much easier to understand.

One other small benefit of using 2 bags instead of 1 large bag is when it comes time to lift the bag, it will weigh half as much. I am a pretty big guy, but holding a hot, wet, sticky bag of heavy grain for more than 30 seconds can be taxing. I much prefer doing a smaller weight twice. That said, there is also some extra work in that there are two bags to squeeze and I need an added vessel to hold the grain from bag #1 while I am squeezing bag #2. The other reason I used two bags is that at my local Lowes the 5 gallon bags come in two packs...so I had this extra bag just sitting around anyways. After a particularly large grain bill I decided to give it a try, and now I do it that way every time. All that said, one thing I wish was easier to do was clean the bags out afterwards. I feel like there will always be little bits of grain stuck to the bags, and they discolor over time. If a custom made bag could be run through the washing machine or dishwasher and come out like-new, I might consider changing things up. But for now I am going by 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it'.

As for the 90 minute mash, I personally don't see any problem with it, especially if you are able to hold temps so steadily. I lose more temperature over the same amount of time, and my grain is pretty loose and spread out, so I just always do 60 minutes. Now, if you want to cut time out of your brew day, it might be a place to cut 30 minutes, but from what I read here everyone has different goals for brew day duration. Some people like it to be quick, compact and efficient with a lot of simultaneous activity, while others tend to be very thorough and exacting and want to enjoy the whole process. And of course everything in between. I tend to aim to shorten my brew day, but never at the cost of quality. I am sure the more batches you get through, you will start to figure out what works best for you and your system as far as timing. I tend to take about 6 hours from pulling the gear off the shelf, to putting it back after cleaning. I am not in a hurry ever, but I try to prep the later steps while waiting for mash and boil times to pass.

Makes sense about the material settling out, and in case you are worriedd about the extra break material, I wouldn't if I were you. I typically just toss in the whole kettle and figure the yeast know what to do with it. When racking from my primary, that is when I try and get only the pure liquid and seperate out any trub/break material.

Man...I didn't mean to write a wall of text...but, too late now. Congrats on the smooth brew day and good luck in the future.

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