Best NEIPA hop combos

[VirginiaHops1]

Sounds cool! I did something similar earlier this year but with all Aussie Hops using Galaxy, Vic Secret and Ella – definitely fun.

How is Cashmere? Would you try it with a different hop combo or on its own in a NEIPA?

I bet that was good. I've only used Vic Secret once in a single hop beer. It was fruity as hell and really good and I want to try it again soon.

I've used Cashmere several times and it's pretty good. One time was a single hop pale ale. It's citrusy but has this limey thing going on. It doesn't seem super potent though.

 

[popquizkid]

You have a nice reserve of hops. I just recently did a TIPA with Riwaka, Nelson, Citra cryo, and Columbus which came out to be in my top 5 combos. Hotside was 3:1:1 Columbus, Citra, Riwaka. Dry hop was 3:2:1 Riwaka, Nelson, Citra. Just one of those combos that are complex. Great fruit notes, earth, and dankness

I made this and just tapped a week ago. This combo is fantastic! Highly recommend it. Lots of dank to balance the fruit,

On a side note -- I also made some water changes based on some past discussion in the NEIPA thread. I think you also mentioned to up chloride by using larger amounts of NaCl vs Calcium Chloride. That made a huge different. When I bumped up chloride using cacl was not a big fan of the results. Really like what NaCl brings to the table.

 

[Dgallo]

I made this and just tapped a week ago. This combo is fantastic! Highly recommend it. Lots of dank to balance the fruit,

On a side note -- I also made some water changes based on some past discussion in the NEIPA thread. I think you also mentioned to up chloride by using larger amounts of NaCl vs Calcium Chloride. That made a huge different. When I bumped up chloride using cacl was not a big fan of the results. Really like what NaCl brings to the table.

I loved that combo. Def one of the best I’ve done. I love that it hits so many flavor profiles in one beer.

 

[Footballandhops]

My favorite so far has been 1:1 CTZ and Citra hands down

 

[skleice]

I made this and just tapped a week ago. This combo is fantastic! Highly recommend it. Lots of dank to balance the fruit,

On a side note -- I also made some water changes based on some past discussion in the NEIPA thread. I think you also mentioned to up chloride by using larger amounts of NaCl vs Calcium Chloride. That made a huge different. When I bumped up chloride using cacl was not a big fan of the results. Really like what NaCl brings to the table.

How high did the Na end up being?

 

[popquizkid]

How high did the Na end up being?

This was the estimated water profile I used:

Ca+2	Mg+2	Na+	Cl-	SO4-2
101	0	50	169	104

 

[Dgallo]

How high did the Na end up being?

I go as high as 77 ppm in ipas and around 85-100 for stouts (depends on the grainbill and ph). Really is a nice profile to elevate flavors

 

[popquizkid]

I go as high as 77 ppm in ipas and around 85-100 for stouts (depends on the grainbill and ph). Really is a nice profile to elevate flavors

I remembered you mentioning Na levels 75-100. Since my levels typically before this batch were around 20 I decide to split the difference for my first attempt at increasing the Na. Probably will keep it that way for a few batches and then eventually try 75.

Thanks again for all the tips.

 

[Noob_Brewer]

had a Grimm Artisanal Ale Hyperfocus beer featuring Eukanot a few months ago. From what I understand about the hyper focus series is that these are truly single hopped DIPA beers. This beer was a beautiful tropical explosion - papaya/passionfruit/etc! But upon looking online, it seems that sensory descriptions for this hop all all over the place. Considering a Columbus/Citra/Eukanot hop combo with Columbus for bittering and a small late boil addition with the whirlpool and dry hop primarily Citra/Eukanot. Has anyone used Eukanot recently? Would love to hear of any recent experiences with this hop. Eukanot has a high total oil content reported to have 2.5-4.5ml/100g for total oil content so it seems pretty potent.

 

[couchsending]

Ekuanot has a really strong green pepper/shrub component to it. Especially the stuff homebrewers get (not close to what Grimm is selecting GM for sure). It doesn’t present itself that bad when used in WP but it’s strong in the DH. However supposedly the Cryo form has much less green pepper character so I’d dry hop with that.

 

[Dgallo]

had a Grimm Artisanal Ale Hyperfocus beer featuring Eukanot a few months ago. From what I understand about the hyper focus series is that these are truly single hopped DIPA beers. This beer was a beautiful tropical explosion - papaya/passionfruit/etc! But upon looking online, it seems that sensory descriptions for this hop all all over the place. Considering a Columbus/Citra/Eukanot hop combo with Columbus for bittering and a small late boil addition with the whirlpool and dry hop primarily Citra/Eukanot. Has anyone used Eukanot recently? Would love to hear of any recent experiences with this hop. Eukanot has a high total oil content reported to have 2.5-4.5ml/100g for total oil content so it seems pretty potent.

That series by Grimm is one of the best single hop series out there. The centennial hyper focus was just fantastic. They got this orange marmalade/orange blossom character that I don’t think anyone tasting it blind would have ever guessed centennial. Equilibrium and Grimm used to share a hop contract and we’re getting hops from the same farm. Idk If that’s still the case with the popularity and the second location Eq just opened.

 

[skleice]

Sipping on a 2:1 Nelson & Enigma combo. Loving the white wine, raspberry, currant, floral thing. Very different and delicious. My wife was blown away by this one...

 

[Noob_Brewer]

That series by Grimm is one of the best single hop series out there. The centennial hyper focus was just fantastic. They got this orange marmalade/orange blossom character that I don’t think anyone tasting it blind would have ever guessed centennial. Equilibrium and Grimm used to share a hop contract and we’re getting hops from the same farm. Idk If that’s still the case with the popularity and the second location Eq just opened.

Yeah I was thinking that myself. I was blown away by this beer by Grimm. I’ve seen lots of reports of green peppers and less tropical fruitiness by home brewers consistent with what @couchsending had mentioned with ekuanot. It seems the hop varies more dramatically by lot than others.

 

[VirginiaHops1]

Yeah I was thinking that myself. I was blown away by this beer by Grimm. I’ve seen lots of reports of green peppers and less tropical fruitiness by home brewers consistent with what @couchsending had mentioned with ekuanot. It seems the hop varies more dramatically by lot than others.

I remember listening to a podcast(forget which brewery) and they commented the cryo Ekuanot was phenomenal. I just did a batch of Azacca, Mosaic, and Simcoe/Simcoe cryo. Probably the best hazy I've done. Huge aroma and hop saturated flavor. I'm a big fan of using cryo on these beers, in both packing more flavor in and losing less beer from the huge hop loads.

 

[jturman35]

I haven’t posted in awhile but thought I would up date on my latest creation.

6lbs two row
6lbs marris otter
1.5 white wheat
1lb Golden makes oats
.65oz CTZ @ 60min
.35oz CTZ @ 20min

3oz Citra WP 30min
3oz Citra WP 20min
Imperial Dryhop 1.5L starter

5oz Citra DH
4oz Idaho-7 DH

1.071- 1.015

First time using Idaho 7 and really blown away how much it punches through the Citra. I get lots of pine citrus/orange with maybe a very hint of mango somewhere back there.I feel like the bitterness is a little on the higher side but leaves me wanting another sip. Very crushable at 7%. Probably my 1st or 2nd best NEIPA!

 

[popquizkid]

I haven’t posted in awhile but thought I would up date on my latest creation.

6lbs two row
6lbs marris otter
1.5 white wheat
1lb Golden makes oats
.65oz CTZ @ 60min
.35oz CTZ @ 20min

3oz Citra WP 30min
3oz Citra WP 20min
Imperial Dryhop 1.5L starter

5oz Citra DH
4oz Idaho-7 DH

1.071- 1.015

First time using Idaho 7 and really blown away how much it punches through the Citra. I get lots of pine citrus/orange with maybe a very hint of mango somewhere back there.I feel like the bitterness is a little on the higher side but leaves me wanting another sip. Very crushable at 7%. Probably my 1st or 2nd best NEIPA!

Nice -- Love this hop and it pairs well with Citra. Definitely try it in the Whirlpool as well!

 

[Frieds]

I remember listening to a podcast(forget which brewery) and they commented the cryo Ekuanot was phenomenal. I just did a batch of Azacca, Mosaic, and Simcoe/Simcoe cryo. Probably the best hazy I've done. Huge aroma and hop saturated flavor. I'm a big fan of using cryo on these beers, in both packing more flavor in and losing less beer from the huge hop loads.

That was Noah Bissell on CB&B podcast.

 

[Rainy]

That was Noah Bissell on CB&B podcast.

Could also be CB&B podcast with Hop Butcher for the World where they discuss how Ekuanot cryo usually doesn't have the green pepper flavor, which regular T90 pellets of Ekuanot often have.

 

[VirginiaHops1]

Could also be CB&B podcast with Hop Butcher for the World where they discuss how Ekuanot cryo usually doesn't have the green pepper flavor, which regular T90 pellets of Ekuanot often have.

Yeah, that was the one I heard it on

 

[VirginiaHops1]

I haven’t posted in awhile but thought I would up date on my latest creation.

6lbs two row
6lbs marris otter
1.5 white wheat
1lb Golden makes oats
.65oz CTZ @ 60min
.35oz CTZ @ 20min

3oz Citra WP 30min
3oz Citra WP 20min
Imperial Dryhop 1.5L starter

5oz Citra DH
4oz Idaho-7 DH

1.071- 1.015

First time using Idaho 7 and really blown away how much it punches through the Citra. I get lots of pine citrus/orange with maybe a very hint of mango somewhere back there.I feel like the bitterness is a little on the higher side but leaves me wanting another sip. Very crushable at 7%. Probably my 1st or 2nd best NEIPA!

I really like Idaho 7 and the piney/earthy/black tea thing it imparts. I just tapped one with Azacca, Chinook and Idaho 7(heavy dry hop) and I'm digging it.

 

[Broothru]

I really like Idaho 7 and the piney/earthy/black tea thing it imparts. I just tapped one with Azacca, Chinook and Idaho 7(heavy dry hop) and I'm digging it.

Simcoe FWH. 19.7 IBU
Simcoe :20 boil 13.3 IBU

Idaho 7 :10 boil 6.9 IBU
Lemondrop :10 boil 2.7 IBU

Idaho 7 :05 boil 3.8 IBU
Lemondrop :05 boil 1.4 IBU

Idaho 7 :20 WP 6.3 IBU
Citra :20 WP 5.4 IBU
Lemondrop :20 WP 4.7 IBU

Total IBUs 64.2

Cracked the keg about a week ago after 2 weeks conditioning. Couldn't stand the wait. The initial taste was really nice, aroma powerful and citrusy. After a week and several 2 pint nights, however, the hop and aroma notes have rapidly faded (sigh). This was a "clean out the stockpile" brew. The combo of hops is VERY nice, but I was trying to use up some 4 oz. of Lemondrop that were left over after a few years in the freezer. Simcoe was a probably the best bittering hop for this mix, given the Idaho 7 and Citra, though I imagine CTZ or Nugget would work reasonably well. Next time I'll focus on only fresh ingredients and sub Citra for all the Lemondrop.

It's a very solid beer as is, but just doesn't seem to have 'staying power.'

Brooo Brother

 

[day_trippr]

Perhaps you are looking in the wrong place for an explanation of rapid character loss.
What is your process getting beer from fermenter(s) into keg(s) - including if you cold-crash first or not?

Cheers!

 

[crusader1612]

Tell you what, I'm just starting to really experiment with hop combo's in this style. My go to has always been Nelson galaxy, mosaic and citra (simcoe in the whirlpool if i want something different).

But there are a couple of breweries here in NZ that are doing absolutely banging Hazies.

Some of the more interesting combo's I've seen in others are:
Jarrylo / Mosaic
Strata / simcoe / centennial
El-dorado / Lemondrop
Galaxy / Motueka
Nelson Sauvin / Rakau (This is a Garage Project / Trillium collab).
Citra / Loral

In my own more recent one I've done the following: now bear with me, as i ususally make my hazies "kitchen sink beers" - i.e. use every last hop you have and throw it in.
most recent with Voss Kveik was:
WP - Amarillo / Azacca / Riwaka / Centennial
DH 1 - Centennial
DH 2 - Centennial
DH 3 - Mandarina Bavaria / Loral
(the idea being to accentuate the citrus nature of Voss Kveik, using bigger citrus hops like centennial & mandarina).


I have some Sorachi Ace, I'm keen to try out in a Hazy too, i use the hop in my Dryhopped Saison, as a small WP addition, so there'll be a little leftover - anyone used it in a hazy?

 

[Broothru]

Perhaps you are looking in the wrong place for an explanation of rapid character loss.
What is your process getting beer from fermenter(s) into keg(s) - including if you cold-crash first or not?

Cheers!

I do practice LoDO techniques cold and hot sides. This batch was done 8 days unpressurized in a conical, temperature controlled low 60s. 5 pts before terminal gravity I soft crashed to 48F to drop the bulk of the yeast, then it was pressure transferred to a keg and spunded to 15 psig. at cellar temp ~65F. At terminal gravity the keg was refrigerated at 38F for 2 weeks.

First pulls were juicy enough, but now the hops are mostly dank. Not a bad thing (dank) but it's mostly just that (not as much citrus). It tastes like a good, solid American IPA, like a single hop Simcoe but 'softer, probably due to the Idaho 7. I like Simcoe and use it frequently, and think that I7 brings many of the same characteristics. That said, late addition I7 should bring more juicy/citrus to the party I'm told. This beer had it, but it seemed to loose it quickly. That's why I think Citra instead of Lemondrop might give me what I'm looking for.

The process should be OK, so it must be ingredients. The only one that I questioned going in was the Lemondrop since they were "leftovers". But like I said it's definitely a 'good' beer, just not as good as it was.

Brooo Brother

 

[day_trippr]

Well the process certainly sounds legit from a distance
I still find it curious how a keg of beer could transform in the short time frame you've related. Regardless of character, to lose it so quickly seems off - I would expect more of a slope than a cliff...

Cheers!

 

[Broothru]

Well the process certainly sounds legit from a distance
I still find it curious how a keg of beer could transform in the short time frame you've related. Regardless of character, to lose it so quickly seems off - I would expect more of a slope than a cliff...

Cheers!

Me too. It sure smelled good during fermentation and was a delight after it was first tapped, but tamed quite quickly. Still, being left with a really nice 'standard' AIPA is a First World problem I'm happy to put up with.

Brooo Brother

 

[Dgallo]

my latest combo came out fantastic.

Cashmere, Amarillo, Citra, & Sabro
At a 3:2:1:1 ratio.

Very tropical with notes of peach ring gummies, orange cream, lime zest, and coconut

 

[couchsending]

There are so many holes in that study I have a hard time taking it too seriously. If those beers were all brewed by one person (team) on one brewhouse and packaged by one person I might have a better time accepting its results. My favorite part is the brewery with 1200+ ppm of So4 in their water.

 

[Northern_Brewer]

My favorite part is the brewery with 1200+ ppm of So4 in their water.

That's typical of the Keuper wells in Burton, see eg Brewing waters (multiply x10 to get ppm)

 

[couchsending]

That's typical of the Keuper wells in Burton, see eg Brewing waters (multiply x10 to get ppm)

Yeah but doubtful there’s a brewery in the US making beer with that water. Means someone added that much gypsum to get probably most of the way there.