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I would daisy chain them. No guesswork, and once the CO2 in the first keg drops, its output is effectively purging the next keg.

As for effectiveness, it depends a lot on the volumes involved, final ABV, spunding, etc. Are you purging two 5 gallon kegs with a 10+ gallon fermentation? If so, that will work fine.

IMO 5 gallons of ~5% ABV un-spunded beer can conservatively purge one 5 gallon keg really well, and a second one adequately for most uses*. 3rd keg iffy, and depends a lot on specifics.

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/thread...cheap-co2-storage-system.728099/post-10341634

*Tubing permiability may play a huge role in final O2 concentration, even for EVA barrier.

YMMV however when I'm doing a 5 gallon batch, it seems to produce enough CO2 to effectively purge it for NEIPA's and I don't have any quality loss while packaging to a keg. With a 10 Gallon batch, I'll daisy chain kegs.

Here's a tread based on purging with CO2 from Fermentation - https://www.homebrewtalk.com/threads/keg-purging-with-active-fermentation.628658/

I guess the CO2 production is linear, so assuming I'm doing 5 gallons it doesn't really matter if I want to purge one 5 gallon keg or five 1 gallon kegs? The same if I'm only doing 1 gallon I assume it would produce sufficient amount of CO2 to purge a 1 gallon keg.

Thanks for the links! I'll check them out
 
I guess the CO2 production is linear, so assuming I'm doing 5 gallons it doesn't really matter if I want to purge one 5 gallon keg or five 1 gallon kegs? The same if I'm only doing 1 gallon I assume it would produce sufficient amount of CO2 to purge a 1 gallon keg.

Thanks for the links! I'll check them out
It matters how it's configured. Per Doug's megapost, the rate of CO2 production is slow enough that it may mix with the vessel's mixed gas, rather than pushing it out in series. Using five 1gal kegs performs much better because mixing is pretty much prevented between kegs.
 
So I've got some serious reading to do it seems. I'm still in the early '90s doing it how Charlie Papazian taught me then... Time to catch up!
 
Exactly this. Temperature control is everything for me, and has radically improved the quality of my beer.
What environment are you in? This sounds like it might be a worthy upgrade for me (my beers taste a little off, IMHO "oily")? Do you run water through a heat exchanger at 74 or do you go colder?
 
What environment are you in? This sounds like it might be a worthy upgrade for me (my beers taste a little off, IMHO "oily")? Do you run water through a heat exchanger at 74 or do you go colder?
Temperature control is critical for two phases of brewing; mashing and fermentation. A chest freezer and oil pan heater both plugged into a temperature controller (Inkbird ITC-308 wifi) with the probe in a thermo well is the only way I'll ferment. Keeps the temperature within a 3° or 4° range of the target regardless of whether I'm fermenting a lager at 50F, an ale at 65F, or a kveik ale at 85F+. For mashing, I use a Brewers Edge Mash&Boil with a recirculation pump. It lets me hold the mash temperature or raise it for step mashing. It's capable of boiling but I don't use it for that step, preferring a gas burner and a pot.
 
Best investment “bang for the buck” is a Craigslist refrigerator. Use a digital temp control. I can dial in any temperature from freezing to ambient. Great for fermentation control.

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Just to be crystal clear, if I buy a fridge that keeps stuff cooler than 60F, then plug it into a temp controller (like Digiten), I can override the built in fridge temperature contol and get 65F or something like that? Right now I have a fridge that would work size-wise, but it keeps everything at 45F and the settings don't change that. Don't know whether I could use this with an external controller (advice please??).
 
Just to be crystal clear, if I buy a fridge that keeps stuff cooler than 60F, then plug it into a temp controller (like Digiten), I can override the built in fridge temperature contol and get 65F or something like that? Right now I have a fridge that would work size-wise, but it keeps everything at 45F and the settings don't change that. Don't know whether I could use this with an external controller (advice please??).
Yes, you just set the fridge on it's coldest setting, and plug the cord into the 308 (or other controller.) The controller then keeps the fridge from getting too cold. If you want to do cold crashing or lagering, you need a box capable of getting closer to freezing. This is why many people use chest freezers, with external controllers, as fermentation chambers.

Brew on :mug:
 
I guess the CO2 production is linear, so assuming I'm doing 5 gallons it doesn't really matter if I want to purge one 5 gallon keg or five 1 gallon kegs? The same if I'm only doing 1 gallon I assume it would produce sufficient amount of CO2 to purge a 1 gallon keg.

Thanks for the links! I'll check them out
The ratio of headspace volume to beer volume is an important variable. The more headspace relative to beer, the worse the purging performance. If you try to ferment a 1 gallon batch in the same FV that you use for 5 gallon batches, the purging will not be as effective.
You should be able to purge and fill 4 kegs from a 23Lt ferment (6 US gallon)
Why would you need to purge 4 kegs if you only have enough beer to fill 1 keg (plus maybe a little more)?

You need to daisy chain the kegs, and the last keg in the chain gets the lowest quality purge. If you try to swap kegs out, you have a timing problem. When fermentation starts, the FV headspace is full of air, and it would need to be completely purged of O2 before swapping out to the second keg. At that point there may not be enough remaining CO2 to be generated to purge even a second keg, much less a third or fourth.

Brew on :mug:
 
Yes, you just set the fridge on it's coldest setting, and plug the cord into the 308 (or other controller.)
Yep, agree! Just set the refrigerator at maximum and let the controller take over. The thermocouple samples the interior refrigerator temperature and the unit cycles the refrigerator on and off based on the temperature you desire. You want 38F you got it. You want 52F, no problem. Set it and forget it! (of course in colder climates you may need to make a warming chamber instead, but that's a different thread.)
 
Here’s my home-made units. Most people use Inkbirds these days.
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Just wanted to update everyone in this thread on my choices and results. I scored a bargain on a Grainfather unit with loads of other stuff. Then I ordered a spunding valve and floating dip tube for my ten gallon corny. My brew day is now simpler and the beer has dramatically improved with the adoption of pressure fermentation and oxygen free transfers. Thanks to all for your input!
 
Yes, you just set the fridge on it's coldest setting, and plug the cord into the 308 (or other controller.) The controller then keeps the fridge from getting too cold. If you want to do cold crashing or lagering, you need a box capable of getting closer to freezing. This is why many people use chest freezers, with external controllers, as fermentation chambers.

Brew on :mug:
Just got a reply from DIgiten about putting the sensor into fermenting beer and don't understand the answer.
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Hello,
Thank you for contacting us.
I am so sorry, all of our temperature controller is sensor with wire.
If you have to put the probe in an airtight jar, probably not.
Because the probe is wired.
If it does not need to be sealed, or you can make a small hole, place the probe, and then plug the cover, this is OK.
These models of DTC101, DTC310 temperature probes are completely waterproof and can be submerged in water.
Thank you,
Elly
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So, even if the probe (what part is that?) is waterproof, the sensor is not? The terminology has me confused.
Hope you can straighten me out.
Thanks!
 
Just got a reply from DIgiten about putting the sensor into fermenting beer and don't understand the answer.
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Hello,
Thank you for contacting us.
I am so sorry, all of our temperature controller is sensor with wire.
If you have to put the probe in an airtight jar, probably not.
Because the probe is wired.
If it does not need to be sealed, or you can make a small hole, place the probe, and then plug the cover, this is OK.
These models of DTC101, DTC310 temperature probes are completely waterproof and can be submerged in water.
Thank you,
Elly
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So, even if the probe (what part is that?) is waterproof, the sensor is not? The terminology has me confused.
Hope you can straighten me out.
Thanks!
The simplest way to place the temp probe for fermentation (and the best as I and some others would argue) is to tape the probe to the side of the fermentation vessel, at mid liquid level, with some insulation over the probe (probe sandwiched between the insulation and FV sidewall.) You can use a piece of foam 1/4" - 1/2" thick and about 4" square, several layers of folded paper towel, a folded washcloth, or similar for the insulation.

Brew on :mug:
 
The response re the probes is trying to say it's a wired probe, so putting it into a fermenter doesn't work if the wire interferes with sealing the fermenter. Then they're saying if you can handle having the wire through a hole into the fermenter, those two models are submersible.

That said, even submersible items are not necessarily suitable for placing under pressure, and thermowells are the "right way" of placing a temperature probe in a liquid. (As others said, a sensor covered with insulation on the fermenter exterior is good enough.)
 

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