American IPA Bell's Two Hearted Ale Clone (close as they come)

[ahurley666]

OK thanks I'll check that out

 

[schweedo]

Brewin up a gallon batch of this right now

 

[ahurley666]

Do you happen to have the recipe for the 1 gallon batch that I might be able to have

 

[schweedo]

I just divided everything by 5 and ended up with
2 lbs - 2 row
.4 lbs - Vienna
.1 lbs - Cara-pils
.1 lbs - Crystal 20L

1 oz of Centennial hops

Your 4 hop additions at 60,15,5 and 1 minutes are all 5.6 grams (1/5 oz) and you should have 5.6 left to dry hop (which would be equal to dry hopping with an oz in the original recipe).

I am using 3 grams (about 1/4 pack) of safale s-05 yeast. I'm still pretty new but I've read it finishes cleaner than s-04 and am not ready to harvest yeast or have a stir plate to make starters. I plan on comparing with a two-hearted when it's done so hopefully I can detect the differences.

 

[brewski09]

I just divided everything by 5 and ended up with
2 lbs - 2 row
.4 lbs - Vienna
.1 lbs - Cara-pils
.1 lbs - Crystal 20L

1 oz of Centennial hops

Your 4 hop additions at 60,15,5 and 1 minutes are all 5.6 grams (1/5 oz) and you should have 5.6 left to dry hop (which would be equal to dry hopping with an oz in the original recipe).

I am using 3 grams (about 1/4 pack) of safale s-05 yeast. I'm still pretty new but I've read it finishes cleaner than s-04 and am not ready to harvest yeast or have a stir plate to make starters. I plan on comparing with a two-hearted when it's done so hopefully I can detect the differences.

S-04 is English Whitbread and US-05 is American Ale/Chico. The 05 is a more neutral strain for sure. Just keep the temps under control on both of them.

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[schweedo]

At this point all my fermenting is happening in my basement where the temp stays in the mid 60s, I know the temp will rise during the first stage of extremely active fermentation so I'm hoping that they don't go high enough and/or long enough to produce much if any off flavors. I actually haven't even been able to taste a finished, conditioned batch but the 2 I have bottled so far have tasted great from the bottling bucket so I'm very optimistic about the outcome on them

 

[ahurley666]

I am going to have to try this out when ever the bank let's me buy my house until then all my stuff is on hold

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[shuckit]

Brewed this with conan and a little apollo, good beer, but totally different. Def not cloned. Ha!

 

[one-L]

Brewed this with conan and a little apollo, good beer, but totally different. Def not cloned. Ha!

Yeah, not a clone of an all centennial beer but I bet it was delicious. I really like this as a base to play around with different hop schemes.

 

[catdaddy66]

Just ordered the AG ingredients for my first attempt at a clone of Two Hearted. It will be a challenge but well worth it, if I can get it right.

 

[orangemen5]

Anyone have this finish a little high say around 1.015. I brewed this once with us05 got it down to 1.012. The second attempt was with harvested bells yeast. Started with a little higher og 1.067. Stopped at 1.015. Still got 78% attenuation. Not sure what attenuation bells yeast gets. Warmed it up but didn't budge was hoping to get a few more pts out of it. But it is what it is.

 

[RedShirt]

Just wanted to say "thanks" for the recipe. It tasted great and I used this as the base (with a couple slight modifications) for my first homebrew competition entry (Upper Mississippi Mash Out). The two judges gave it a 43 and a 40, with some great comments pointing towards the need for a little more malt and body. Makes total sense because I mashed on the low end, finishing more like 148. Excited to try again!

 

[orangemen5]

Just wanted to say "thanks" for the recipe. It tasted great and I used this as the base (with a couple slight modifications) for my first homebrew competition entry (Upper Mississippi Mash Out). The two judges gave it a 43 and a 40, with some great comments pointing towards the need for a little more malt and body. Makes total sense because I mashed on the low end, finishing more like 148. Excited to try again!

Congrats. Those are some nice scores. Most ppl on this site say the brewer gets the scores not the recipe. So props to you.

 

[orangemen5]

Can I ask if you used harvested bells yeast or some other yeast? And what was your og and FG. I'm trying to figure the attenuation of bells yeast. Thanks.

 

[mtnagel]

I used harvest yeast from a Bell's Two Hearted for my clone and I got 85% attenuation with that yeast in this recipe.

 

[orangemen5]

Thanks for the info. That's some good attenuation. We had a cold snap here (0 degrees for 2 days). My yeast dropped out at the end before I had a chance to warm it up.

 

[brewski09]

Thanks for the info. That's some good attenuation. We had a cold snap here (0 degrees for 2 days). My yeast dropped out at the end before I had a chance to warm it up.

Warm it back up and gently stir it. It should kick back into action. It's been near zero here for the better part of the month.

 

[catdaddy66]

Is US-04 an acceptable yeast to use with this clone? Or is an American yeast preferable as it's a domestic craft brew?


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[brewski09]

Is US-04 an acceptable yeast to use with this clone? Or is an American yeast preferable as it's a domestic craft brew?


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Sounds like the us-05 would be more accurate, but I think the s-04 would still be a strong year for this. I find it to be highly flocculent in my experience though so take that into account on your recipe

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[RedShirt]

Can I ask if you used harvested bells yeast or some other yeast? And what was your og and FG. I'm trying to figure the attenuation of bells yeast. Thanks.

Not sure if this was in response to my post, so apologies if not, but I had previously brewed an APA using Wyeast 1272. I used about 1/2 the remaining yeast cake to brew the IPA. I likely overpitched, hence the comment on the beer's body, but I got great attenuation and a very clean/dry beer.

 

[Helly]

Did a stove top extract mini-batch of this today. It smelled awesome.


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[hokieguy95]

I asked this question over the weekend in this thread, but I'll post it here too.

I am brewing this on Saturday. 5 Gallons extract version. I made a starter using the dregs of several bottles of Bell's. I'm planning on stepping it up tonight and again on Thursday based on advice mtnagel gave me. I also got a packet of Safale 05 for safety in case I can't get my cell counts up by the weekend.

So if I pitch the Bell's yeast and the S05, what do people think the flavor profile will be? Will I at lest impart some of the Bells' character? So far everyone I've talked to seem to think it might turn out really well.

Also....what is an ideal temperature range to try to ferment this yeast at. I don't want it to poop out too cool or get off flavors with too high a fermentation. I don't have great temperature control

 

[davekippen]

When I don't have Bells yeast I use US04. I think 05 will dry it out a little too much.

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[brewski09]

The S04 was one of my highest attenuating yeasts when I did side by side fermentations. I'd be careful with that one too b

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[adamk816]

Video Tour of Bell's Brewery shows fermentation temperature of Two-Hearted ale at 76 degrees Farenheit at 7:11 I imagine fermentation temperature on the homebrew scale should be slightly lower than what they use at the commercial scale with such large fermentation vessels.

 

[brewski09]

It could also just be the end of fermentation to clean up byproducts and get full attenuation. This is not an uncommon practice in commercial and homebrewers settings alike.

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[adamk816]

Based on the screenshot I posted, it looks like the schedule is listing the general fermentation temperatures, and not just the cleanup temperature. You will see that they list the temperatures for a number of their beers.

"Fermentation Temperature Settings"

HHNF [Hell Hath No Fury] 74F
Two Hearted Ale 76F
Winter White 74F
Ales 72F
Lagers 48-50F

"Turn Down Temperatures"
60F
50F
35F

 

[hokieguy95]

Based on the screenshot I posted, it looks like the schedule is listing the general fermentation temperatures, and not just the cleanup temperature. You will see that they list the temperatures for a number of their beers.

"Fermentation Temperature Settings"

HHNF [Hell Hath No Fury] 74F
Two Hearted Ale 76F
Winter White 74F
Ales 72F
Lagers 48-50F

"Turn Down Temperatures"
60F
50F
35F

So has anyone fermented thier THA clone at 76 and what was the results.

Forgive me If this was posted before, but I have not seen it.

 

[adamk816]

I just quickly searched the thread and it doesn't appear anyone has fermented as high as 76, nor would I recommend it. I am simply conveying the information seen from Bell's records. I think the important thing to take away from this is that they fermented their "Two Hearted" almost 4 degrees above their regular "Ales". Based on the Zymurgy article from Bell's Homebrew Store which says pitch at 64F and ferment at "warm ale temperatures", I would not ferment a Two Hearted Ale clone above 70 (72 max) using 1056, 1272, or cultured Bells yeast.

 

[brewski09]

If they are really fermenting that high, this may be a super yeast. Tolerant of slightly higher temps without yeast phenols. It could be a great year for homebrewers with temperature fluctuations. Even though our temps will read lower than that, it could be worth exploring. Maybe it's time to buy some bells beer and harvest off of the bottle...

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